So the Fat Report Came Out Today....
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TheGeneral
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They coincide with eachother. Being fat = unhealthy.
yeah but what im saying is the thread is about being fat, not healthy. you can have a low body fat % but still be a walking time bomb
Suicide
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While you say that eliminating fast food would cause obesity rates to go down, I'm sure you've overlooked the fact that a lot of fast food restaurants offer healthy foods as well as the fatty foods. In fact those same fast food restaurants also tell you how many calories you receive by eating certain meals. In addition the healthy alternatives are just as inexpensive as the unhealthy ones. Mew is right, people simply eat too much. More important though is that they over eat foods that have high amounts of fat.
Another reason why your line of reasoning is flawed is that even people who don't eat fast food are overweight. Why are they overweight you ask? It is because they have overeaten on healthy or less fatty foods. While food not served from as fast food joint is usually healthier if one eats more than he/she should they will gain weight.
And finally even if all fast food was eliminated, people would still gain wait thus increasing the national obesity average because of the fact that people generally don't change. So eliminating one venue for cheap fatty foods will only push people towards other cheap fatty foods. This is because for some reason people like the taste of fast food probably because they've been eating it for so long and thus will continue to do so in new ways.
TheGeneral
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People get fat because they don't consume the recommended calorie intake to maintain a normal body weight.
You could eat hamburgers & oreos all day, as long as you consume the recommended amount for your body size & intake. Doesn't matter WHAT you eat, just how much.
You could eat hamburgers & oreos all day, as long as you consume the recommended amount for your body size & intake. Doesn't matter WHAT you eat, just how much.
ragingphantom
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if you want to see how "the government" thinks you should eat then here:
(btw, links to USA gov sites are allowed right? might not be PG. maybe too political tho)
www.mypyramid.gov
go ahead put in your info and junk.
put in age height weight gender and daily exercise.
the catch.
just tried it on 14 year old guy 6'3" on weights from 150-225 w/daily exercise at >60 min.
at >210, it says you are fat.
at <131, it says you are a stick.
regardless of that, it says the exact same servings for everything for just changing the weight.
131-225-all the same daily servings of the same food groups for every weight. all they say if your fat or skinny is "this is what stuff gives you your daily required nutrients for a healthy weight range".
they base this "healthy weight range" off of the BMI (i'm sure yall have heard of this. this is how health care screws you. if you are fat according to this, you pay more. same for skinniness.)
how do i know this junk? my dad won't stop griping about it. nor will my bro.
and making fast food cost more won't help. people will still buy it because of convenience. you don't have to cook so it is therefore more convenient (logic of lazy people).
and people will just overeat on healthy food if you ban everything fast food like and junk food like. and yes too much of anything (except for love) is bad for you.
and i don't know if it works for you people but dropping soda made me lose 40 pounds over about 8 months. and that was all. soda for faucet water (which kinda tastes funky sometimes). still maintaining that weight.
and people are also fat because they don't move around at all. like exercise. they just drive cars everywhere.
(btw, links to USA gov sites are allowed right? might not be PG. maybe too political tho)
www.mypyramid.gov
go ahead put in your info and junk.
put in age height weight gender and daily exercise.
the catch.
just tried it on 14 year old guy 6'3" on weights from 150-225 w/daily exercise at >60 min.
at >210, it says you are fat.
at <131, it says you are a stick.
regardless of that, it says the exact same servings for everything for just changing the weight.
131-225-all the same daily servings of the same food groups for every weight. all they say if your fat or skinny is "this is what stuff gives you your daily required nutrients for a healthy weight range".
they base this "healthy weight range" off of the BMI (i'm sure yall have heard of this. this is how health care screws you. if you are fat according to this, you pay more. same for skinniness.)
how do i know this junk? my dad won't stop griping about it. nor will my bro.
and making fast food cost more won't help. people will still buy it because of convenience. you don't have to cook so it is therefore more convenient (logic of lazy people).
and people will just overeat on healthy food if you ban everything fast food like and junk food like. and yes too much of anything (except for love) is bad for you.
and i don't know if it works for you people but dropping soda made me lose 40 pounds over about 8 months. and that was all. soda for faucet water (which kinda tastes funky sometimes). still maintaining that weight.
and people are also fat because they don't move around at all. like exercise. they just drive cars everywhere.
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This is definitely a problem with our civilization. People would rather pick up food on the way home than spend the time to cook it when they get home.
Microwavable food has made this worse too. Many people's dinners are just microwavable food products.
Since Grocery Store food items are always going up in prices, and fast food products are always on sale, people buy more fast food.
Fast food is cheap and available and I include food that is not just from fast-food joints but also microwaveable food. Food that is healthier for you is more expensive to produce since there are more factors involved in making sure its healthy in the process. Find a way to limit the cost of healthy food and that'll be a start. Though ones weight I'm sorry to say is based more on genetics and metabolism; I mean I eat quite a bit more than 'normal' people and the food I eat is mostly unhealthy junk food and I'm almost 6ft 2in and weigh under 140lbs and I do not really exercise.
pokemonforever
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Funny. I bought an Angus burger with bacon and cheese yesterday at McDonalds. It was $4.00 for just the sandwich. And it took 20 minutes.
Qwachansey
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Unfortunately society is laid out to encourage blind consumerism, and that includes the food we consume. Everything is advertising and brand loyalty, and companies cutting as many corners as possible to lower prices. Ever wonder why high-fructose corn syrup is in everything? It's cheaper than using cane sugar. Almost everything we eat that is pushed on us by big corporations is full of cheap food replacements.
The only way that obesity percentages are going to go down steadily for everyone and stay down, is if we drastically restructure the way our culture looks at food, money, convenience and exercise, and re-prioritizes everything.
Do you see that happening? Do you see money for nutrition education randomly appearing everywhere? Do you see thousands and thousands of personal trainers and low cost gym memberships being available? Sidewalks and bike lanes being installed in rural areas? Do you see any incentives for ditching cars in favor of walking?
The only way that obesity percentages are going to go down steadily for everyone and stay down, is if we drastically restructure the way our culture looks at food, money, convenience and exercise, and re-prioritizes everything.
Do you see that happening? Do you see money for nutrition education randomly appearing everywhere? Do you see thousands and thousands of personal trainers and low cost gym memberships being available? Sidewalks and bike lanes being installed in rural areas? Do you see any incentives for ditching cars in favor of walking?
Qwachansey
Active Member
I disagree. There is a big difference between a McDonalds hamburger and a salad, even though they both have calories.
Articjedi
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I didn't say that, only pointing out that there isn't much of a difference between the calories in sucrose in cane sugar and the fructose in corn syrup. And it matters even less since sucrose is half fructose anyway. Switching from coca cola to jones isn't going to somehow protect you from getting fat.
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No one ever said that, articjedi. There are some researchers finding evidence that high fructose corn syrup affects the body differently than regular sucrose, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
The lower price of HFCS has made it almost impossible to find food that doesn't have it. Try to consume it in moderation! Even most breads have it as a filler ingredient. Anything that we consume so much of (wikipedia says an average of 70 lbs per person per year!) can be detrimental to our health.
The lower price of HFCS has made it almost impossible to find food that doesn't have it. Try to consume it in moderation! Even most breads have it as a filler ingredient. Anything that we consume so much of (wikipedia says an average of 70 lbs per person per year!) can be detrimental to our health.
pokemonhero
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Ok. I've been reading about how everyone is saying it's what you eat that controls your weight gain. That's true to an extent. Now, I'm 6'7" and 220 lbs. Obviously I'm not short, but I'm not overweight either. I go to a number of fast food places during a month. mcDonalds, coney island hot dog shop, a few other places, but I don't hardly gain any weight. It's not what you eat, but how much exercise you get.
ColdCoates90
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They certainly don't contain the massive amounts of grease,hormones,fat, and sugar you ingest from fast food.
Anyway the fat problems of America are in the individual's hands. There's no way the government can try and stop people from consuming so much food.I personally think that our educational system should implement some sort of mandatory "healthy food" program in schools starting in grade school, before the damage is done.
pokemonhero
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Even that wouldn't be enough though. The majority of the responsibility is on the parents to implant healthy living habits, then the child has to take those habits and use them. Ther's a bigger problem with this. A kid 14-17 has a kid. Neglects kid with pop, chips, whatever. Then that kid with a lack of knowing, or even to say caring does the same thing. Endless Cycle.
Articjedi
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True, but you can't exercise out all your health problems that come from not eating correctly.