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Sour Grapes: BR's dont make sense

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SuperWooper: Oh Yes I can. 'cos I just did. :D. To be fair I do know what you mean by saying they are easy because some top players are sitting, I just don't think that the logic of that statement is quite right. Even if the top players attend tournaments they can't be at every tournament, ergo the others are easy. That is effectively what you are saying and obviously applies to the 'harder' tournaments earlier in the season. except I've just used the sitting/absent arguement to show that these tournaments are easy too. Now I would expect that the average level at BRs was probably easier due to a few sitters, but just because the average is less does not mean that particular BRs are easier. I don't think it was the ease or otherwise of BRs that influenced Chuck's and others decision to sit. Much more likely it was that the metagame and risk-reward ratio that made sitting the correct decision. Well correct for them anyway.

....Dreams of one day being a "sitter"...
 
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You can't make that kind of statement, because what makes the BRs easy is the fact that people DO sit. If people weren't sitting, I don't think Chuck would have made this thread at all.
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Chuck made this thread bc Chuck SAT OUT and was passed by those that played! People could see the impact on the rankings after 1-2 weekends. They still had a chance to get out there and win some points on later weekends.

Keith
 
Well, maybe next year, those who sat out will play... :lol: What is that old saying? " If you don't vote, there is no room to complain." It's too bad that people don't play because it will ruin their ratings. Maybe, they are not that good after all and don't want to embarrass themselves, so they rather sit out, then complain. Anyways, those who played :thumb:
 
FWIW: Chuck's decision looks solid from where I'm typing. He remains well placed for a ratings invite and suffered no catastrophic donks.

I still believe that Chuck would have prefered to play, but came to the conclusion that the risk was too high. I'm sure that POP will be aware of this phenomena and may be trying to figure out what they can do to next years season to make it so that players who actually want to play aren't discouraged from so doing.
 
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Chuck made this thread bc Chuck SAT OUT and was passed by those that played! People could see the impact on the rankings after 1-2 weekends. They still had a chance to get out there and win some points on later weekends.

Keith
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I know, and my original post in this thread was to defend the players that have passed him in the rankings, especially Patriarch and Pidgeotto Trainer. But Chuck would have absolutely no basis for this thread if there hadn't been people who sat out their BRs. And there were, which is what he thinks made the events easy ones. My second (third?) post was directed at the sort of paradox (need a better noun there) that NoPoke forced himself into when he said this:

NoPoke said:
BRs are not 'easy' events. If they were, everyone would play and not sit. Just like with most events some are easier than others, but to universally dismiss BRs as 'easy' is wrong.
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This can't be correct either way. NoPoke says that if BRs were 'easy', everyone would play. But that would make them harder events. Whereas if no one played, then they would be 'easy'.

Anyway, I'm not looking for another "ryanvergel v Lawman" debate here. Hopefully I've explained myself well enough that this won't become some sort of showdown.

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SuperWooper: Oh Yes I can. 'cos I just did. :D. To be fair I do know what you mean by saying they are easy because some top players are sitting, I just don't think that the logic of that statement is quite right. Even if the top players attend tournaments they can't be at every tournament, ergo the others are easy. That is effectively what you are saying and obviously applies to the 'harder' tournaments earlier in the season. except I've just used the sitting/absent arguement to show that these tournaments are easy too. Now I would expect that the average level at BRs was probably easier due to a few sitters, but just because the average is less does not mean that particular BRs are easier. I don't think it was the ease or otherwise of BRs that influenced Chuck's and others decision to sit. Much more likely it was that the metagame and risk-reward ratio that made sitting the correct decision. Well correct for them anyway.
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I'm not talking about anything outside of BRs, and I'm not effectively stating the fact that less competitive areas are easier. Neither of that has anything to do with my post. I just couldn't quite figure out yours.

Maybe I should just delete all my posts in this thread? *runs away*
 
No: don't do that! If we disagree its because either I've not made my point clear enough and/or I've misunderstood yours. Just because I have an opinion does not give me a monopoly on the truth. (I don't even believe in truth! but that is a whole different subject of evidence and falsifiability which is at the heart of the scientific method)

try it this way:

Looking back wards to the completed BRs: because of top rated sitters the average BR is easier.

Looking forward to the BR that you are about to play in: You have no idea what match-ups or players you will have to face. It this respect a BR is the same difficulty as any other tournament.

I'm not talking about winning the individual tournaments. Where bigger tournaments are expected to be harder to win. But on a round by round basis. Round by round both big and small tournaments behave the same way. Your rating is at risk each round.
 
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Lets also not forget that there were multiple Battle Roads and not just 1 as in Nats. You are safer to sit out 1 tournament than a whole series of Tournaments. Regardless of K value in this instance as Nats is 44K. If it were higher than 44K then a discussion could be made for not sitting Nats.
 
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FWIW: Chuck's decision looks solid from where I'm typing. He remains well placed for a ratings invite and suffered no catastrophic donks.

I still believe that Chuck would have prefered to play, but came to the conclusion that the risk was too high. I'm sure that POP will be aware of this phenomena and may be trying to figure out what they can do to next years season to make it so that players who actually want to play aren't discouraged from so doing.
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Great post. I totally agree.
 
SuperWooper said:
You can't make that kind of statement, because what makes the BRs easy is the fact that people DO sit. If people weren't sitting, I don't think Chuck would have made this thread at all.
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Here in Florida, the only person who sat it out was Eric Craig. Everybody else played. Plus we had to deal with Brent Seibenkitteldittle coming down to steal our pointz.

Maybe it was just a function of where you play.

I really think the bottom line is that people just underestimated the impact of Battle Roads on points and would probably have made different decisions if they'd seen this coming. (and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. I don't think anybody realized just how much that large K value would impact points.)
 
I mean Eric Craig didnt have to play,hes ranked os high that if anyone else did get boosts,it wouldnt matter,hes still got that invite to worlds.

BUt i look at like this,if alot of 1800+ point players go to BRs,they would gain a little boost to get into the High 1900s if they play people around their rating or little higher and win. They also would have lost alot of points playing a 1700- lower points,so its a risk,buts it also a gain to it. Also it was alot of BRs so I mean a major boost was gonna happen.
 
if i was eric craig i would have played in battle roads. i mean if he's that good to have his rating that high pre-battle roads, he has nothing to worry about and he could easily have massacred all of his battle road opponents.
 
Say that to the players in Florida, Rhodesia. There is very rarely a "massacre" in any metagame, let alone Florida, the second most difficult metagame, player-wise, and the most difficult metagame, deck-wise.
 
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Eric had to earn every point in his rating. He goes up against Silvestros (x2), Bianchi, Omar, Zack, his sister (Miranda), and a slew of others every tournament. Eric never gets a free pass.

And our last Battle Road down here drew 76 players. SEVENTY SIX to a Battle Road. You tell me, who was sitting out? That's a BIG number for a BR. And worthy of its K value, for a change.
 
Florida is tough. Being right next to them is hard. Eric Criag is good,but when plays against his fellow Floridians,I dont think its easy at all. IN States and Rgeionals we have to play against them ALOT. Its not easy at all and they usually win.

Cept next year when I step up and put GA on the map. =)

BRs is worth it.
 
Florida players have it tough!

You gotta work so hard on your deck to win and worry about Hurricanes coming to your tournament!
 
From sour grapes you can make excellent wine.
So everyone having sour grapes, make wine of it and enjoy your Nationals.
Good luck.
 
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