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TGW and Absol - Their Effect on OP

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Except that if you tech stuff like 2 Prof. Birches and Absol discards both of them first turn, then you kinda have a problem coming back. Especially if your hand looks like DRE-Energy and you dig into more energy.

Absol promotes luck/bad luck. Coming back from Absol wreckings depends on what you draw into, no matter how you configured your deck.
 
Yes Scipio is correct. Your efforts of countering it can be discarded. Starting with the counter pokemon is chance and so is starting with Absol. Playing Absol and countering it entirely revolves around chance, and you are pretty limited in how much you can increase those chances in your favour.
 
I have to agree. Absol is...Far too broken.

Sure, there are great alternatives/counters in Great Encounters...But we simply DON'T HAVE Great Encounters. And if we are to believe Pokebeach, Great Encounters is getting delayed. Look at what has won Cities, at least 95% of those decks were Absolade or some other absurd Absol deck.

Absol is just as bad of a problem as Sneasel and Slowking from Neo Genesis were. Everybody uses 4. Or they don't stand a chance.

The whole donk or be donked era of Mario and the like was bad enough. But being forced into using a card for a chance of winning is when you know that it has gone too far.
 
I think you honestly havent played against Slowking/Sneasel to say that Krucifier :p. At least vs Absol you have a chance of being able to top deck a trainer, against Slowking/Sneasel... little can help you once they've got two or three in play. Also your opponent may not start with Absol. With trainers being much of the focus of the game back then, and draw being WAYYY to easy to come by, it was ridiculously easy to set up Slowking, even back in the days of early modified format before it was banned.

Also I think DP4 isn't going to solve anything, might make it easier but Absol is still going to dominate. Until there's a basic that specfically targets Absol, I'd expect it to continue being played or wait for something even more ridiculous to appear (seems to be a current theme at the moment).

Absol I think can be and should be errataed or otherwise fixed to make it more balanced (like Mantine and Feebas were changed), rather than outright banning it. If they want to outright ban it though, I'm not exactly going to object...

You know my feelings on 'donking' I think... Its just better to realise that tournaments aren't a real indicator on ability right now, just play something fun and enjoy the games you don't have to face those cards or don't participate at all like I'm not... might be different for you up there thou.
 
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Sorry I don't have much to contribute here but coming back from my first tourney this year as a player in masters the top cut decks were:

Me with Lucario X/Absol
Empoleon X/Absol
Gallade/Absol
Blissey

With Gallade beating Lucario/Absol in the final. Absol and wager are a little too influential and luck-based but smart players use birch.
 
I think you honestly havent played against Slowking/Sneasel to say that Krucifier :p. At least vs Absol you have a chance of being able to top deck a trainer, against Slowking/Sneasel... little can help you once they've got two or three in play. Also your opponent may not start with Absol. With trainers being much of the focus of the game back then, and draw being WAYYY to easy to come by, it was ridiculously easy to set up Slowking, even back in the days of early modified format before it was banned.

Also I think DP4 isn't going to solve anything, might make it easier but Absol is still going to dominate. Until there's a basic that specfically targets Absol, I'd expect it to continue being played or wait for something even more ridiculous to appear (seems to be a current theme at the moment).

Absol I think can be and should be errataed or otherwise fixed to make it more balanced (like Mantine and Feebas were changed), rather than outright banning it. If they want to outright ban it though, I'm not exactly going to object...

You know my feelings on 'donking' I think... Its just better to realise that tournaments aren't a real indicator on ability right now, just play something fun and enjoy the games you don't have to face those cards or don't participate at all like I'm not... might be different for you up there thou.

Oh I have played against Slowking/Sneasel. Sure with Absol you have a bit of a chance, but my point with that paragraph was that you *HAVE* to un 4 Absol to have a chance - as was with Slowking/Sneasel.

DP4 bring a few good starters and maybe 1 or 2 useable Pokemon. Nothing else. It isn't going to change anything.

If they errata'd Absol then that would be great. If they banned it, it would be way better (Just cause I hate it. =)).

I have never used Tournaments as a a method of measuring ability and skill. And I try to disourage people who do. I play what I enjoy. And thus, I don't play Gardelade or Blissey or Absol or any of those stupid cards. At the moment however, I play Bannette. Simply because I enjoy it and it has a chance against those decks...But you don't have much of a chance against deck's like Dark Wing Duck though.

I guess the issue is the only decent way to counter the popular decks like Blissey and Gardelade get absolutely hammered by the 'other' overplayed deck - Dark Wing Duck. Leaving there pretty much no counter for Absol.

As for your comment about my area, Adam...Things are very different up here...There are only 3 people who actually don't care about winning - and we play what we enjoy. Alan, Rob, and myself. All of our other players only care about winning. Everyone else up here uses varients of Blissey, Magmortar, Electivire, Absol, Gardevoir, Gallade. Honchkrow. There are one or two, maybe three people other than Alan, Rob and myself who use "random rogue" decks. But of course, these kids are 7 or 8 years old and think Dialga and Speed Stadium is a good drawing engine...-_-".

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^ Agreed.

Agreed to what? That Hurricane sucks?
 
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Ok, i am going to bring my 2 cents into this thread. Absol... Sure it is good. But there is no way they are going to ban/errata it, as this card is not as even close to how bad Sneasel/Slowking. Lets just look at it.

1 energy for a attack that discards 1 card and possibly 2. It sounds good, but many cards from DP3 even are made to counter it, just have a look at smergle it gets out "3" energy, making the chances of absol even doing anything to your hand that is useful... very unlikely. Or you could have a look at the cards that use poke-powers, to use your opponents supporters (Gardevoir SW and Milotic D). This helps your deck get out the cards you need and will basically win you the game. Say for instance, get out your set up pokemon and you have already won the game. They can keep disrupting you but it really isn't going to do anything. Sableye cg is also a good idea, You disable the baleful wind and you basically cut off ALL the disruption.

1 Energy for 10/40, it sounds very good, but... it isn't that good. You want absol as your starter so it is very unlikely that you are going to get a second in your hand along with a warp/switch etc. This attack isn't that good and it isn't used very much.

The other attributes. When you have a look at absol, it has fighting weakness, which is probably the worst weakness you can have in the game, with cards like "Lucario, Gallade etc" running around everywhere. This makes absol T2able ko. It has resistance to psychic types, not that much of a help because Gardelade uses Gallade not Gardevoir to attack most of the time, and T2 Banette, which is played a fair bit but not as much as to what Gardelade is. 70 hp for a basic is pretty good making it reasonably hard to knock out.

On Closing, absol is a card that is played in most disruptive decks, it is either play it or counter it, but as mentioned before, there are alot of cards that beat absol, as disruption can only shut you down, if they get the right cards. It is one of the best cards in the format at the moment, but remember at cities last year guys, banette ex was probably the best card in the format. Then what happened to it, oh thats right it got owned by the dark decks, such as Shiftry ex cg and T-Tar ex UF. Absol can do alot of damage early but if you get your set up pokemon out, you have the game basically won. And to the dispute about the other "archetype" cards, every TCG in the world has cards that are good or in other words "broken" but then the companies make cards to be better than the previous ones.

Instead of worrying about these cards, why don't you guys just come up with a idea to beat them.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Oh I have played against Slowking/Sneasel. Sure with Absol you have a bit of a chance, but my point with that paragraph was that you *HAVE* to un 4 Absol to have a chance - as was with Slowking/Sneasel.

As for your comment about my area, Adam...Things are very different up here...There are only 3 people who actually don't care about winning - and we play what we enjoy. Alan, Rob, and myself. All of our other players only care about winning. Everyone else up here uses varients of Blissey, Magmortar, Electivire, Absol, Gardevoir, Gallade. Honchkrow. There are one or two, maybe three people other than Alan, Rob and myself who use "random rogue" decks. But of course, these kids are 7 or 8 years old and think Dialga and Speed Stadium is a good drawing engine...-_-".

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Agreed to what? That Hurricane sucks?

I think he's agreed to the one sentence arguement...

I like the poster aboves points though. However what if you don't get Smeragle start, its impractical to have all your basics counter Absol. I don't mind the game being based around one card when that one card allows more things to be played then without it, its when this happens and it limits the game down like Absol does.

Absol does have counters, the problem is that luck mostly determines whether you get them or not before Absol rips apart your hand. Anyway I'm not too concerned, I only have to deal with it at tournies, and other then that its fun fun fun :), well on the most part.

Krucifier you have played against Slowking/Sneasel? Maybe it's someone else I'm thinking of, when exactly did you start playing? I forgot.

I guess I understand the point your making though, but its a bit apples and oranges as Slowking is a stage 1, and it was a very different time, anyways. Someone else made the comparison to Cleffa, and that's probably a better one as its a basic, easily slotted in, but the difference was Cleffa was fun because it gave you a fresh hand, giving you more options, and when that happens, it allows more decks that may require more set up time to work, Absol is the opposite, it cuts down options, which is why it gets all the hate.
 
I think he's agreed to the one sentence arguement...

I like the poster aboves points though. However what if you don't get Smeragle start, its impractical to have all your basics counter Absol. I don't mind the game being based around one card when that one card allows more things to be played then without it, its when this happens and it limits the game down like Absol does.

Absol does have counters, the problem is that luck mostly determines whether you get them or not before Absol rips apart your hand. Anyway I'm not too concerned, I only have to deal with it at tournies, and other then that its fun fun fun :), well on the most part.

Krucifier you have played against Slowking/Sneasel? Maybe it's someone else I'm thinking of, when exactly did you start playing? I forgot.

I guess I understand the point your making though, but its a bit apples and oranges as Slowking is a stage 1, and it was a very different time, anyways. Someone else made the comparison to Cleffa, and that's probably a better one as its a basic, easily slotted in, but the difference was Cleffa was fun because it gave you a fresh hand, giving you more options, and when that happens, it allows more decks that may require more set up time to work, Absol is the opposite, it cuts down options, which is why it gets all the hate.


I started playing when the game came out...I can easily remember everyone either using Slowking/Sneasel or Slowking/Other things.

Fact of the matter is. It is completely wrong for you to *HAVE* to use a certain deck or two, like Gardelade, to stand a chance.

Sure whilst Pikachu* brings up some good points. If you had read his post properly it is just a "Look at me. I use Absol. I am pro. If you don't like it. Use this, that, that and that to have a chance."

It is completely wrong to *HAVE* to make half your deck a counter to one single card to stand a chance.

Heck. I even asked some of the people here in Brisbane to not to use Absol for Cities. Hoping that maybe people would want a fair competition, rather than just a Gardelade/Absol abuse contest. But oh no. The only person that even considered doing it was, Pikachu*, (Sam).

I really couldn't care anymore. If people want to abuse the stupid card to win, do it. It won't be too long before you start feeling hollow inside. Especially when there is nobody left for you to play against...=/.

And winning an Australian cities must make you feel really big. I mean. You beat a couple of people who use 40 Pokemon, 15 Energy and 5 Trainers in a deck. (4 of those are Potion, so they never die. ;f.)

Heck. I don't even feel like playing in cities or any of that anymore. There is no fun in donking a few noobs with a deck like Gardelade. If I could, I would gladly judge them. But since I don't have the neccesary "qualifications" I can't. Pfft... I don't see much fun in an abuse X or Y or lose game.

Sick of how the game is going in Australia to be honest. If one of you Americans spent 2 weeks here, you would have enough sour grapes to last you a life time.
 
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I played a CC today with Absol/Blissey/Delcatty/Minun, i started with Absol 2 times out of 6. 1 time against a noob, where it didn't discard anything, 1 time where i just didn't discard good stuff.

I still won the tournament.
 
um..krucifier....you dont HAVE to play with absol to win.
look at fire truk for example(magmortar/typlhosion/delcatty)
theres no absol in it and it is VERY good.
 
After Absol was released I almost started loving TGW. I refuse to play both, but I prefer to have a reasonable chance (TGW) against something skilless as Absol.

Just some food for thought, how would all those "winning" decks perform WITHOUT Absol?
I think we would have a complete different "metagame" without Absol.
 
um..krucifier....you dont HAVE to play with absol to win.
look at fire truk for example(magmortar/typlhosion/delcatty)
theres no absol in it and it is VERY good.

And then you go up against an Absol which just happens to be in 4 out of every 5 decks and you can't get setup and you die. That's the issue. Baleful wind, not it's second attack, Raid. :rolleyes:
 
From what I've tested, if you run 3 Birches or Steven's Advices Absol is really not that much of a threat. But then again I'm playing Absol too. :/
 
well if you play a good consistant deck that counters magmortar, absol, gardylade, you will win like 90% of the time. unfortunately i dont think theres such a deck.

@krucifier: you do know that well built magmortars can counter absol...
 
I started playing when the game came out...I can easily remember everyone either using Slowking/Sneasel or Slowking/Other things.

Fact of the matter is. It is completely wrong for you to *HAVE* to use a certain deck or two, like Gardelade, to stand a chance.

Sure whilst Pikachu* brings up some good points. If you had read his post properly it is just a "Look at me. I use Absol. I am pro. If you don't like it. Use this, that, that and that to have a chance."

It is completely wrong to *HAVE* to make half your deck a counter to one single card to stand a chance.

Heck. I even asked some of the people here in Brisbane to not to use Absol for Cities. Hoping that maybe people would want a fair competition, rather than just a Gardelade/Absol abuse contest. But oh no. The only person that even considered doing it was, Pikachu*, (Sam).

I really couldn't care anymore. If people want to abuse the stupid card to win, do it. It won't be too long before you start feeling hollow inside. Especially when there is nobody left for you to play against...=/.

And winning an Australian cities must make you feel really big. I mean. You beat a couple of people who use 40 Pokemon, 15 Energy and 5 Trainers in a deck. (4 of those are Potion, so they never die. ;f.)

Heck. I don't even feel like playing in cities or any of that anymore. There is no fun in donking a few noobs with a deck like Gardelade. If I could, I would gladly judge them. But since I don't have the neccesary "qualifications" I can't. Pfft... I don't see much fun in an abuse X or Y or lose game.

Sick of how the game is going in Australia to be honest. If one of you Americans spent 2 weeks here, you would have enough sour grapes to last you a life time.

Krucifier/Jared, you have to remember the person you are playing against might not be using absol, and/or they might not start with it, Most decks run 8-12 basics in them, and if absol is taking up 4 of those 8-12, then it isn't a sured that they are going to started with it. Even if they do, if you run a deck that contains about 20 pokemon, 25 trainers and 15 energy, it is likely that you will get at "least" one in your starting hand, along with 1-2 pokemon, so when you look at it, it is a 3-6 chance of discarding a trainer, and mind you, there are many counters to absol as i stated above.

Instead of having sour grapes about this one card, tech against it, if you don't want to then just play it out against it. I have been playing for a few years and i know when cards are "good" and when they should be "banned", absol is not one of them, because when SW came out many cards also came out to beat it. Use "warp point" gg absol now you have to retreat to use the attack against me, use "Stevens advice" oh absol what can you do about that, Use "prof birch" he discards heaps of cards, just get them back with it. There are many cards in this format that counter absol, you just have to be creative about it.

As posted by Pidgeot5:

"I like the poster aboves points though. However what if you don't get Smeragle start, its impractical to have all your basics counter Absol. I don't mind the game being based around one card when that one card allows more things to be played then without it, its when this happens and it limits the game down like Absol does."

These statements can go either way, sure you might not get a the Smeragle start all the time, but they might not get the absol start all the time. I like the "Pokemon TCG" because it offers all kinds of strategies, to use, or to battle against, it just makes the game more balanced, fun and exciting.

Yes, that is a personal statement but, at the end of the day, you are supposed to enjoy this game, not have Sour Grapes about it. If there is a card dominating the format, make a rogue that counters it. Sure, Absol is great, but it just isn't "unbeatable" so, IMO counter it, join it, or live with it. Because absol just isn't going to be going anywhere.

As for me running absol at cities, it is possible, but personally, i don't want to use it, to because i would be "degraded" by the community in general, as it is apparently so "uber good".

You bring this up about me:

Sure whilst Pikachu* brings up some good points. If you had read his post properly it is just a "Look at me. I use Absol. I am pro. If you don't like it. Use this, that, that and that to have a chance."

I said those things to help people out, and for people to stop thinking that absol is so broken, It is a great card, i will give you that, but it differently isn't even in the "same league" as to what Sneasel/Slowking were. As to where did i say "I use Absol. I am pro. If you don't like it. Use this, that, that and that to have a chance.", ??? i didn't say that.

In closing, as i stated before, the game is meant to be enjoyed so, if you don't like a card, counter it, use it, or live with it. Absol is good but, if you are going to be "degraded" by the community for using a card that you like, and you want to use, Thats Just Sad! I believe that others used absol and personally, I think you shouldn't say that people shouldn't run a card because it is good or not, because it is "degrading"!

Sorry, If i have "insulted/offended" someone here, but it is just to get my point across.
 
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And then you go up against an Absol which just happens to be in 4 out of every 5 decks and you can't get setup and you die. That's the issue. Baleful wind, not it's second attack, Raid. :rolleyes:

Wrong.

If (Huuuge word btw) You manage to setup at any point in the game. You will win. Unless your dumb.
 
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