The Everything Durant thread
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What are Gengars weak matchups now? CKE and 6Corners? Everything else runs like 20+ pokemon. Also CKE cant pop trodes with gengar active.
Spiritomb is the card that wins LostGar v Durant Mill. Spread for 6 turns and then LZ all durants.
Spiritomb is the card that wins LostGar v Durant Mill. Spread for 6 turns and then LZ all durants.
Just played at Aldershot cities with durant, got 6th out of 31, missed a top 8 cut by one person, here's how it went for me: (PS the only person to 5-0 swiss was another Durant player)
Game 1: Mirror Match
Both started w/Cobalion, I managed to set it up quicker, catchering up durants for cheap prizes, and lost remover/hammer on the cobalion. 6-0 in prizes
1-0
Game 2: ChandyPlume
Worst start I've ever had with the deck. Single Durant, Twins, Revive, and 5 energies as my first 8 cards.
My opponent gets a T2 Chandelure and T3 Vileplume. I'm pretty much stumped and lose.
1-1
Game 3: Reshiphlosion
Durant's worst matchup? K.
Opponent feels that the way to go against Durant is trying to set up as many cyndaquils to typhlosions as possible.
I respond to this by milling his resources for the first few turns while I set up cobalion. He KO's Durant with quilava and I revenge KO with cobalion. There on out he does minimal if any damage to me with reshirams, and I keep killing his cyndaquil's quilava's with catcher. It gets to a point where he can't play a cyndaquil down to rare candy next turn. I misplay though, and iron breaker the active reshiram. Of course out of 3 cards he has rare candy typhlosion, hmph. I Iron Breaker his Reshiram's requiring him to attach manually from his very small hand, and he draws Juniper. His only hope pretty much loses him the game as it appears he forgets what Durant does. I end up decking him with me taking 3 prizes and him taking only 2.
2-1
Game 4 : Zekrom/Eelektrik/Tornadus
I honestly thought Zekrom variants would be Durant's worst matchup, but luckily she played Eelektrik instead of ZPST. I get a nice mill going from T1, amazingly milling all her energies, and every time she attaches an energy, I crushing hammer or catcher another Zekrom. She can't possibly win, and I end up milling her with her not being able to take a single prize, even with only 3 Durants.
3-1
Game 5 : Reshiphlosion
Amazingly I play Reshiphlosion again, but he plays a much different strategy against Durant. Luckily for me he starts with Reshiram which makes me know I've basically won. First turn he Junipers 2 Typhlosions, which looking at his hand he had to do. I mill the 3rd, and he manages to like the previous reshiphlosion rare candy typhlosion with small amounts of cards in hand. I go down 2 or 3 prizes here trying to set up my strategy. I pretty much go on a Crushing hammer rampage discarding as many energies as possible, and then use my rogue tech, Seeker. Seeker brings up his Typhlosion, I don't think he has any candies left as he had 3 in discard and 3 junk arms there too, just in case I use N to minimise his chances. From here on out I stock up on eviolite and sp.metal withstanding the reshirams and retreating when damaged. It comes down to his last 3 prizes, and I need an energy to win, I use 2 pokegears in my hand to mill any useless supporters in my deck. Then I juniper, get the energy and win.
4-1
So I miss top cut on resistance because of the worst start I've ever had with Durant, and the chandyplume ends up taking 3/4th place. The 5-0 Durant also takes 3/4th place after a massive misplay in the semi's. My mate takes 1st with 6 corners, and D&D takes second.
So Durant can beat anything, unless you start with half your deck's energy in your hand.
Game 1: Mirror Match
Both started w/Cobalion, I managed to set it up quicker, catchering up durants for cheap prizes, and lost remover/hammer on the cobalion. 6-0 in prizes
1-0
Game 2: ChandyPlume
Worst start I've ever had with the deck. Single Durant, Twins, Revive, and 5 energies as my first 8 cards.
My opponent gets a T2 Chandelure and T3 Vileplume. I'm pretty much stumped and lose.
1-1
Game 3: Reshiphlosion
Durant's worst matchup? K.
Opponent feels that the way to go against Durant is trying to set up as many cyndaquils to typhlosions as possible.
I respond to this by milling his resources for the first few turns while I set up cobalion. He KO's Durant with quilava and I revenge KO with cobalion. There on out he does minimal if any damage to me with reshirams, and I keep killing his cyndaquil's quilava's with catcher. It gets to a point where he can't play a cyndaquil down to rare candy next turn. I misplay though, and iron breaker the active reshiram. Of course out of 3 cards he has rare candy typhlosion, hmph. I Iron Breaker his Reshiram's requiring him to attach manually from his very small hand, and he draws Juniper. His only hope pretty much loses him the game as it appears he forgets what Durant does. I end up decking him with me taking 3 prizes and him taking only 2.
2-1
Game 4 : Zekrom/Eelektrik/Tornadus
I honestly thought Zekrom variants would be Durant's worst matchup, but luckily she played Eelektrik instead of ZPST. I get a nice mill going from T1, amazingly milling all her energies, and every time she attaches an energy, I crushing hammer or catcher another Zekrom. She can't possibly win, and I end up milling her with her not being able to take a single prize, even with only 3 Durants.
3-1
Game 5 : Reshiphlosion
Amazingly I play Reshiphlosion again, but he plays a much different strategy against Durant. Luckily for me he starts with Reshiram which makes me know I've basically won. First turn he Junipers 2 Typhlosions, which looking at his hand he had to do. I mill the 3rd, and he manages to like the previous reshiphlosion rare candy typhlosion with small amounts of cards in hand. I go down 2 or 3 prizes here trying to set up my strategy. I pretty much go on a Crushing hammer rampage discarding as many energies as possible, and then use my rogue tech, Seeker. Seeker brings up his Typhlosion, I don't think he has any candies left as he had 3 in discard and 3 junk arms there too, just in case I use N to minimise his chances. From here on out I stock up on eviolite and sp.metal withstanding the reshirams and retreating when damaged. It comes down to his last 3 prizes, and I need an energy to win, I use 2 pokegears in my hand to mill any useless supporters in my deck. Then I juniper, get the energy and win.
4-1
So I miss top cut on resistance because of the worst start I've ever had with Durant, and the chandyplume ends up taking 3/4th place. The 5-0 Durant also takes 3/4th place after a massive misplay in the semi's. My mate takes 1st with 6 corners, and D&D takes second.
So Durant can beat anything, unless you start with half your deck's energy in your hand.
I've taken 6 prizes with Cobalion, the disruption factor of the deck allows this to happen.
Only way you should be playing that victini against durant is catchering your cobalion, playing shaymin to move energies to that newly benched victini, and hope Durant can't revenge you because you have eviolite attached.
Mirror match belong to who can set up the cobalion first, and keep it going, whilst lost removing/hammering your opponent's cobalion.
I dunno, I just could never keep up with many decks when I personally built it. Either I couldn't fill up the Lost Zone fast enough or they KO'd Gengars faster than I could build them. Mewgar had the same problem. You really don't have anything to get rid of threats, you just try to outspeed them. I didn't put much effort into my Gengar, so I'm sure a more successful one could be made.
I am a bit excited for that new Gardevoir to come out, if we get it next set... the one that makes each Psychic count as two energies on a Psychic Pokemon. Goth and Mewtwo have gotten more attention with it, but Gardy potentially doubles the speed at which Gengar can win. Keyword is potentially, you still need to find a hand full of Pokemon ;/
Slowkingrocks
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Honestly you can't do much at all.
Best bet is to catcher/hammer to force them to hit an attach every turn. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do to guarantee you even get to draw any of those cards.
Honestly it's all topdecks/flips, and don't get discouraged if you go second and don't hit 4 durant devour, you can still win easily. It's all about energies.
The Cobalion route is pretty terrible from what I've seen, you give them access to Twins and Juniper as non-dead cards again, and are even more prone to catcher/energy denial.
1-1 Weavile served me pretty well in mirror, you can hopefully nail an energy card and force them to use a Juniper or the like to hit the Devour for the turn. Of course, like anything you put in to beat durant, it can get milled with ease. Best way to beat the Durant mirror is to have 4 catcher, 4 junk arm, 4 hammer, heavy removers, and lots of basic energies and consistency. Also, if you are extremely worried about Durant mirror being a big deal, you can cut down to 2 Twins to get less dead cards and run a more shuffle draw based engine (though don't tailor your entire trainer engine to mirror, or you'll be weak vs. normally good matchups)
Best bet is to catcher/hammer to force them to hit an attach every turn. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do to guarantee you even get to draw any of those cards.
Honestly it's all topdecks/flips, and don't get discouraged if you go second and don't hit 4 durant devour, you can still win easily. It's all about energies.
The Cobalion route is pretty terrible from what I've seen, you give them access to Twins and Juniper as non-dead cards again, and are even more prone to catcher/energy denial.
1-1 Weavile served me pretty well in mirror, you can hopefully nail an energy card and force them to use a Juniper or the like to hit the Devour for the turn. Of course, like anything you put in to beat durant, it can get milled with ease. Best way to beat the Durant mirror is to have 4 catcher, 4 junk arm, 4 hammer, heavy removers, and lots of basic energies and consistency. Also, if you are extremely worried about Durant mirror being a big deal, you can cut down to 2 Twins to get less dead cards and run a more shuffle draw based engine (though don't tailor your entire trainer engine to mirror, or you'll be weak vs. normally good matchups)
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All DURANT conversations have been merged into this one huge Durant thread ... lol
Electric Spider
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If Durant is hungry, Durant will devour.
d master342
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This is really the truth. It's exactly how me and a friend have approached the matchup after many games (some of which have been quite epic actually). The maxing out of Junk Arm and Crushing Hammer is almost a given for a standard straight turbo Durant version, but cutting down the Twins and adding an extra Basic Energy or two really helps. I imagine maxing out the Catcher does the same. Also, Switch is probably one of the best cards in mirror.
Easy way to beat this deck everytime.
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Problem Durant?
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Problem Durant?
TheRolesWePlay
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Clearly Durant isn't a common household ant. It's an uncommon household ant, and metal types are immune to poison.
So no problem for Durant.
So no problem for Durant.
Alazor
Active Member
Can't you play Mismagius?
Prodigiosus
New Member
You make it sound so easy... First off, you'll have to get out Victini with 5 Pokemon on the bench which easily makes Catcher bait. Lost Remover + Crushing Hammer make it even harder on you. I play 6 Corners w/Victini, and I still have a ton of trouble against Durant. They often mill my Rainbows away before I can attach it, and when I do, it just gets Lost Removered. Twins makes it even easier for them to get rid of stuff.
My personal opinion of Durant is just Durant with Rotom, maybe Mime Jr.
Roarkiller
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Smoochum is a decent staller in durant. Irritates the hell outta them.
Regarding the mirror, It all boils down to who can gain access to their resoures the most. You generally need an energy, a catcher, a junk arm and two crushing hammers/lost remover (depending on board) in your hand, and a hand refresher.
Mill down their decks while compiling resources (beware of N/judge), and disrupt where possible with catchers, NOT removals where possible. When the time is right, and believe me timing is crucial, let loose the removals and catcher. At this point of the game, resources for both sides will be running low, so whoever pulls off the key disruption wins.
Cobalion stinks. It activates twins, removals render it useless while catcher forces you to either charge up durant for mill or cobalion for sweep, and whichever route you take, another catcher/removal will come down soon enough.
Regarding the mirror, It all boils down to who can gain access to their resoures the most. You generally need an energy, a catcher, a junk arm and two crushing hammers/lost remover (depending on board) in your hand, and a hand refresher.
Mill down their decks while compiling resources (beware of N/judge), and disrupt where possible with catchers, NOT removals where possible. When the time is right, and believe me timing is crucial, let loose the removals and catcher. At this point of the game, resources for both sides will be running low, so whoever pulls off the key disruption wins.
Cobalion stinks. It activates twins, removals render it useless while catcher forces you to either charge up durant for mill or cobalion for sweep, and whichever route you take, another catcher/removal will come down soon enough.