Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

The Final Report by Gino Lombardi

@Prime and others: I certainly understand your thoughts on unintential = something less than GL. Do you think anyone INTENTIONALLY shuffles their hand into their deck or similar game breaking moves? The rules on marked deck are clear, it should have been a DQ (again...look at Nats and colored borders, except there, the players DID something to their cards). The judge team does not make the rules, we enforce them. Yes, we get some leeway, since they are guidelines and the judge team went to a lesser penalty to only give a GL.

Please everyone, review the rules! They are there for a reason.

Keith
 
I think the Pokemon card creators knew this day would come, the day Gino Lombardi quit Pokemon. So, to honor him, they made GL pokemon, showing how GL(Gino Lombardi) owns them...
 
I respect you as a player and all, but going around the Open Play area and asking for trades while dumping a pile of RH T-tars in people's faces isn't exactly classy :/


Good job nonetheless.
 
You know, that game loss is just typically Khanh, he has a history of being very picky at rules and trying to get easy wins.

I know you would have beaten him, and ultimately, his unsporty behaviour afflicted me personally (I faced him the next round, drew dead+the match was an almost autoloss.)

Still, it was very nice meeting you, and though you had bad luck and opponents at worlds, you are an awesome guy, and I wish you the best in the future.

~Mikkel~

I've known you for almost 11 years. We used to be good friends outside Pokemon Tcg. We used to play-testing, have fun and such of that. I've helped you before worlds with your SP deck and you almost agreed with everything.

It's a shame how behave yourself. I really didn't think you were like that. Seriously do you think i have respect for what you've done to me?

You would also called the judge if you were in the same position, so SHUT IT!


I'am sorry about what happened Gino. Don't dislike me for what i've been doing. I think almost everyone would have done the same thing. I have nothing against you, and I think you don't have something against me either.

I wish you Good Luck in the future and take care. I really hope you understand me.

Khanh Le.
 
I've known you for almost 11 years. We used to be good friends outside Pokemon Tcg. We used to play-testing, have fun and such of that. I've helped you before worlds with your SP deck and you almost agreed with everything.

It's a shame how behave yourself. I really didn't think you were like that. Seriously do you think i have respect for what you've done to me?

You would also called the judge if you were in the same position, so SHUT IT!


I'am sorry about what happened Gino. Don't dislike me for what i've been doing. I think almost everyone would have done the same thing. I have nothing against you, and I think you don't have something against me either.

I wish you Good Luck in the future and take care. I really hope you understand me.

Khanh Le.

I agree, ALL THE WAY.
The way Gino worded how you reported the sleeves made it seem as if he was saying you betrayed him or something.

It's way better that you reported them round 4 and get a game loss than round 6 or 7 and get a DQ.
 
Why didn't Khane Le say something to you about it before the game started? Not saying that it is his job to do so but I would not want to win like that. I know there are some that do but where is the Spirit of the game?

I told the judge before the game started... We were almost going to start setup, that's when i noticed it.
 
I know it's pry a little off topic, but I'm VERY curious as to what your deck list was, especially with a name like 'FlyTech'.

Moreso on topic:
The sleeve issue seems absolutely ludicrous to me. For one, it was the start of the game, so I would've thought you could've at least been given the option to change sleeves. Heck, since it's such a big tourney, have a judge change them out in order as not to disrupt anything. I just find such a verdict to be robbing a player of something like a match in worlds.

But yeah...
 
Gino. I've seen you around (nats), but we've never actually met.

You've got the swagger and the entourage thing poppin' off.

You smash up the majority of tourneys you're in.

Just sleeve em up and smash up another invite like you always do.

NOONE that has put in the time you have will quit.... but I understand your frustration.

VA isn't too far from you man. Come on down to a VA CCs this year! We have 5 or 6 of them!

All frustrations aside. Good job... for real.
 
I told the judge before the game started... We were almost going to start setup, that's when i noticed it.

If this is what he says happened, I don't doubt it for a second. This guy has proven himself more trustworthy then most to me, and in doing so, has built the foundations of a very strong friendship.

Im sorry about what happened to Gino, seemed like a really good guy at worlds, and whenever else i had talked to him, but what else did you expect Khan to do, potentially allow his opponent to play with an advantage had it not been unintentional?

Not looking for any arguments, but i will defend Khan and any other friend all the way.

Sami
 
the sleeve thing is totally unfair in every way.
it's not like you knew about the edges, plus you were given those sleeves :/
something like this happened to me like at nats where one of my sleeves/ cards was a little worn AND IT HAD to be a CLAYDOL go figure.

atleast you got free tyranitar ifds from me :)
<3 tina
 
Dont know Gino, but I've seen pics from past world's events. So i did recognize him when I seen him hanging around at the LCQ. As for the sleeve ruling, sucks, but fair. Lets say the same thing happened to the champ Silvestro during his last match and instead of giving him a DQ they just let him resleeve. People would be saying "hey wait a minute, he could have cheated his way to the championship round" totally different circumstances, but the same situation. Gino played 3 rounds prior and there is no way you can say he definately "did cheat" or "did not cheat" and because he did play 3 rounds prior I'd say that a game loss is really fair, seeing that a DQ was also as appropiate. Its really nobodys fault. Kahn just wanted a fair game, the judges were just enforcing the rules, and Gino just wanted to use some cool sleeves. The rules do say to check your deck prior to events for bent edges, dirty sleeves, or anything that can be considered a marked card.
 
Good job Gino for competing in Worlds though! This is the guy that walked by and said, "This is your facebook friend" while slapping someone with shoes lol. I got a game loss also to a similar problem and I got very mad also.
 
OMG. Sorry Gino about your sleeve problem. I realize now that I also used the sleeves from the package and I'm happy that this did not happen to me. That sucks man. GJ anyway, 4-3 is good. Hope that this won't happen again !
 
Well Good Job Either way...The Sleeve Issue...

Honestly Though they are the rules, the rules are not ABOSLUTE, thats why in the rules it says..."The Head Judge has the final say"

yes one could make the argument that he should.could have noticed...but lets be real Im sure that some judge somewhere used the sleeves sometime before that and didn't notice.

ANd if he did have multiple copiess of the same card in the defective sleeves, it would make sense. When you register your deck you put the cards in order so that you dont make any mistakes, and when you sleeve your deck you usually sleeve in that same order...anyway

Rulings like this bring us closer and closer to being MTC and Yu Gi Players

Anyway Just cause you dont play doesnt mean you won't show up at events...and if you're there you might as well play...i've got plenty of decks so i dont believe this is your last report...Besides you gotta be there when i take nats!
 
I was really, really sad after i saw about this question.

First of all, i'm friend of both Gino and Khan, but if Khan really WANTED Gino to get the game loss, i think it has been a very vad example of Spirit of the Game. My idea has always been: if it happens to a player to DO THE WRONG MOVE in a long game, i'm not for letting him back. Pokemon requires concentration and most of the games can change rhe result if it happens for one of the two players to do a misplay. So, as i consider misplay part of the game, and if a player misplay, it's right that he has to pay for it.

I consider that all the things that are extra-game and that are done for incident should not ruin the competition.
For this reason, i think that all of you can see that Gino's action was not cheating, but was clearly unintentional. 10 cards (the EXACT NUMBER to consider it a Ultra Pro production problem) and if they were not 4 ROSANNA, 4 BEBE AND 2 LUXURY or 10 BASIC ENERGIES there's not way this can lead to a chearing effort.
As unintentional could be to hurt with your arm the deck and reveal the first card of the deck.
As unintentional could be to throw a dice and hit the opponent deck revealing the first card.
So, my question is: would you come the judge if it happens to your opponent to hurt the table and reveal the first card of the deck? Or if it happens for your opponent to shuffle your deck and make a ROSANNA's SEARCH fall from the deck due to a shuffling problem? Or if it happens to your opponent to say "****" and this hurts your sensibility and you do want him to be given a Game Loss for Unusportive conduct?
The only reason why a person would do that, is because he want to win in all the ways no matter how.
So, if Khan did it just to win a game no matter how (and he didn't ASK the judges to LET Gino re-sleeve his cards), that man has no my support, even if he's a good friend. This was a bad proof of sportmanship.


But well, apart from this, we are here to talk about the judge side.
From my experience, i would have give a MARKED CARDS: MINOR PENALTY for this reason.
MINOR PENALTY covers the possibility of manufactoring errors and random bented cards. These 2 parts are important. I know that the problem was that not few cards, but 10 were ruined, but i would ask you: does it really matter? I think that in the Pokemon game, it doesn't matter if 2-10-30 cards are ruined in THE SAME WAY.
I mean. If it happens to have some cards ruined, some cards with a different color, so cards longer than others...ok. But if it happens to have 10 random cards ruined in the same way, does it really give you more advantage than having just 1-2 key cards ruined in the same way? Wouldn't be worse a LVX or a 4x than 10 cards random?

Then, i'm gonna explain why i WOULD NOT have give a MARKED CARDS: MAJOR PENALTY.
The MAJOR PENALTY comes in action where there is a "noticeable pattern" and "Because the possibility for a player to gain an advantage is high, the penalties associated with his category are more severe".
To be specific, the guidelines make us some example "4 Candy bented, all the basic energies ruined, some key cards with thumb marks".
In this case, we are very FAR from that. We don't have any suspect (noticeable pattern) because the 10 cards cannot give any real advantage (what's good in havind 2 Drawer, 2 Candy, 2 Fighting, 1 Trapinch and 1 BTS bented?) and our example isn't even near one of the 3 examples reported in the Penalty Guidelines.

So, my point is: as we are in a case of MANUFACTORING ERROR and there's not even the suspect that the cards are ruined for a purpose (and MAJOR PENALTY seems to be created to punish the players over we have some suspects), the penalty should fall under MINOR PENALTY.

If you consider that MINOR PENALTY is too low because of the number being 10 and not just 1/2, you should apply something bigger than WARNING.
But again, as a PokemonProfessor and with the GuideLines in hand, i don't see any reason why a Judge should follow the MAJOR PENALTY issue (except from, and if it was happened i wanna know it, the 10 cards checked by the judge which issue the penalty was considered by the Head Judge of the event to have "possibly given an advantage" to the player).

If the Head Judge was not told about it and, something even worse, the 10 MARKED CARDS WERE NOT CHECKED BY THE JUDGE, i believe that the judge who gave this penalty did a very wrong choice.
 
stop being so selfish please, saying that you have the best deck in the world and are the best player in the world and you haven't even won the world championship, but i'm sorry, that is not good sportsmanship

That's not what he's saying. That's his opinion and you have no excuse for bashing him.

Gino I hope you succed in whatever you do with your life.
 
Hmm two threads in one....

The minor penalty is essentially about wear and tear causing cards to become marked due to use. It addition for the minor penalty to apply there has to be no pattern to the marking.

The major penalty applies when there is a pattern, and the pattern is believed to be unintentional.

The judge role is to fairly and equitably find which section of the penalty guidelines applies when a problem is reported and then use the indicated penalty as the starting point for further consideration.

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so the cards are marked and there is a pattern what do you do?

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Good luck with your future plans. Even if it is the right time to move on don't be a stranger. Keep in touch.
 
The italian translation on Penalty Guidelines when translates "noticeable pattern" add something like "...and there is a clear suspect of willingness"...so it could be both a misunderstood or something added. We can let it away,

By the way, it seems to me that the "pattern" has to be connected to a logical sequence of cards to be considered that way.
In all the 3 examples, NO ONE OF THEM consider the option that the card are just random and the pattern is casual.
All the 3, connect the pattern to some logic (the 4 Candy, the basic energies, and so on).

MOREOVER, the manufactoring problem is mentioned as a possible cause of MINOR PENALTY.

For these 2 reasons, being a judge in a tournament, i would consider this case nearer to the MINOR PENALTY than the MAJOR (if i'm SURE that's only a manufactoring problem and the 10 cards are totally random).
 
The italian translation on Penalty Guidelines when translates "noticeable pattern" add something like "...and there is a clear suspect of willingness"...so it could be both a misunderstood or something added. We can let it away,

By the way, it seems to me that the "pattern" has to be connected to a logical sequence of cards to be considered that way.
In all the 3 examples, NO ONE OF THEM consider the option that the card are just random and the pattern is casual.
All the 3, connect the pattern to some logic (the 4 Candy, the basic energies, and so on).

MOREOVER, the manufactoring problem is mentioned as a possible cause of MINOR PENALTY.

For these 2 reasons, being a judge in a tournament, i would consider this case nearer to the MINOR PENALTY than the MAJOR (if i'm SURE that's only a manufactoring problem and the 10 cards are totally random).

1st, the Italian translation of the guidelines is wrong. There is no intent in this section of the penalty guideline. As soon as you determine intent, you have moved over to cheating. Very big difference. I hope POP corrects this mistranslation!

2nd, a lot of people keep talking about "no pattern".
Sorry. There was a pattern. It was a much clearer pattern than some that earned Game Losses and DQs in past events.

So, you have marked cards with a pattern. That was the situation. Now, what do you do?
 
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