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The latest screw up from Pokemon- Dragon Vault and Regionals

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Yeah that wasn't exceptionally clear in your first post where you talk about being made to pre-order a set. As well as continual talking about how it breaks the trend of sets being legal upon release.

From the way I read your post the screw up was just disallowing this set. It wasn't the conveying the message along with a "Why" that I read your post as taking issue with.

As I mentioned at some point in my post that yes I agree leaving the announcement solely to an unofficial forum is a bad idea. I did also however say I'd be forgiving if by end of day they made the announcement on their own site. For all the general population knows this is one of those things set to auto-update at X:00 o'clock. Much like the CP structure being announced after business hours of TPCi. The difference being this time is PTOs/TOs may have been given the "Look this is being said on our site at 9:00 EST/6:00 PST tonight, but if you want to pass this along to your players go ahead." Again I do agree that if it NEVER makes it onto the main site it is a poor decision.

It is less than ideal that this mini-set isn't legal as it goes against their rule of street date legal (again this being the exception not the rule.) However as has been said time and again competitive player base isn't the target market. Why would I bring this up? The announcement they haven't made on their site isn't going to affect the target audience's choice to purchase this product. Now I do understand as I'm guilty of doing this, you (the general) would order a product with the full intent of being able to play it right away and of course should be fully disappointed if you couldn't.

I feel in your initial post you looked at the things that went wrong more than the way these things came about being known. It very well could just be me there.

I think most people will agree that it was poorly executed how announcements are timed. I think it's a dead horse topic however. I feel there are other threads you could have bumped to say "Here is another example of a lack of announcing things in an inappropriate manner." That's not to say you don't have a right to post your opinion, but for me when you start a new thread to complain about a new announcement I'm going to guess the complaint is the new topic not the old topic that has been beaten to death time on end.

In my opinion the decision of legality for regionals is safe to be unsaid until Oct 5th when the set is released. Now I do think it is odd that there is no official DV page on pokemon.com where this news can be said. I will also say it will be strange that it's not until Oct 12th that they say DV is not legal on the official site. Letting it be said on an unofficial forum early? It's clear that TPCi and the Gym are good buddies, so they could very easily just be rewarding loyalty to a site they are behind.


While I can't say this is the reason for this, but I always took the disclaimer at the bottom of the site to mean that if any bit of PokeGym staff posted something controversial it is not directly reflective of TPCi's thoughts and ideology. It is convenient yes that they tend to see eye to eye on most things.
 
Perhaps, there is a soft date and different vendors have different dates...so, I am happy with the decision that was made...it means my league players will be able to build their decks if they can find this set for sale somewhere and that is ultimately good for the game, imo.

My distributor has the release date as the 15th. I will not get any product until that date. If the product shows up in stores prior to that date, it does not matter to me, I will get it on the release date my distributor has in their system as dictated by their contract with Pokemon (or whoever their agreement is with) they have to follow their contract or risk losing the ability to purchase future product.

Just my 2 cents...
 
Again, I am not arguing that the decision itself was good or bad.

I am trying to express the manner in which it was "delivered" was bad.

Ultimately, it is probably best to not have a set released 8 days before a tournament be legal. However, since TPCi knew its release date, knew the date of regionals, why is this only being announced this late? Again, why not on an official site? Again, why in chunks (first, that the set is illegal, and then that the reprinted cards would be okay)?

I am not arguing against the CONTENT of the announcement, I am arguing that the announcement itself was poorly done.

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After doing more reading on those rules I linked to describe the use of cards (15.3), I discovered that according to the most recent tournament rules, if you were born in 2001 or later you a Junior. I hope some parent brings a kid born on January 1st, 2001 (who would be 11, almost 12 years old) to Regionals, and they are allowed to (and supposedly supposed to be able to play in Juniors, LOL).

http://assets7.pokemon.com/assets/cms/pdf/op/tournaments/2012/pokemon_tournament_rules_11_1_2011.pdf

When are they going to update this stuff? =\
 
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That's not the only thing out of date. From the "official" tournament format document:

Sanctioned Formats
Pokémon Organized Play supports two formats for sanctioned play: Modified and Unlimited. Sanctioned events
are listed on the POP website, and the results are reported to POP after the event concludes.
3.1. Modified Format
The Modified format is the standard tournament format for Pokémon Organized Play events. This
format will be used at all premier events unless specified otherwise. The Modified format for the rest of
the 2011 season and the entirety of the 2012 season will consist of the following sets:
* * HeartGold & SoulSilver
** * HS—Unleashed
* * HS‐*Undaunted
* * HS‐*Triumphant
* * Call of Legends
* * Black & White
HS Trainer Kit
Black Star Promo Cards numbered HGSS01 and higher and Black Star Promo Cards
numbered BW01 and higher.

---------- Post added 09/27/2012 at 06:23 PM ----------

But, I guess I can understand them not updating the "official" documents, with having to get info out on time the unexpected new season and all.

For the record, that is more sarcasm for this thread...
 
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What i dont get (and some of you guys probably already posted this here but i didnt see it) is why tpci posts this kind of stuff here and not on the actuall "official" website. Right now a total new person who doesnt know about this website but knows about the official one would know nothing about the mini set.

I think that they should at least put up the info on the other site along with this one.
 
What i dont get (and some of you guys probably already posted this here but i didnt see it) is why tpci posts this kind of stuff here and not on the actuall "official" website. Right now a total new person who doesnt know about this website but knows about the official one would know nothing about the mini set.

I think that they should at least put up the info on the other site along with this one.

That's the point of this thread. TCPi is not doing a good job of managing their brand in this way.
 
Time to break up all the rage with my awesome taco powers.

On a serious note, I don't really appreciate this either. I don't have a big issue since I'm not going to Regionals, but I'll look at it from someone who is' point of view.

If I were going to Regs and preordered the set just so I could play it at Regionals only to be told that it was going to be illegal I would be pretty angry. Yeah, the Ray is supposed to be legal, but that's it. Allthough the rest doesn't contribute much to the metagame, it still is nice to know. I see no real reason for it to be illegal. It is going to be past the official release date, so there is no real reason for it. That is like announcing a couple days before BRs that Dragons Exalted was going to be illegal for it and you couldn't play it until Regs. It wouldn't be a big deal if this were one card, but this is a whole set.

I think something needs to be done. I would suggest trying to contact TPCi and complaining about it.


I could imagine this, but announcing Promo Darkrai/Mewtwo/Rayquaza wouldn't be legal for Regs. People would probably burn TPCi to the ground. lol.
 
Just found this information posted on TPCi's website...not sure when this was posted but perhaps they listened to people on here and how much we complained about this DV issue not being announced/stated on their website:

http://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/championship-series/tcg-autumn-regional-championships/

Note: Due to the close proximity between the release date of the Pokémon TCG Dragon Vault collection and the 2012-2013 Autumn Regional Championships, this set will not be Modified-legal until October 15th. Cards which appear in the Dragon Vault collection that are reprints of Modified-legal and as such are permitted for play at the Autumn Regional Championships.
 
I wish they'd hire me to do their Marketing/Brand Management :p Anyone know where the Careers section of the website can be found?
*smacks*

Forget you, I'm most qualified for the job! :p If only TPCi was in California... I'd totally be running it. :D :D :D

Props to TPCi for updating their Regionals page. I hope they continue to do that from now on and that additionally such announcements related to P!P come from them first and not an unofficial website.
 
Ryan and others. Released cards being excluded from tier 2 tournaments is not at all unusual outside the USA. The direction comes from POP and is to reduce problems that arise from the difficulty of aligning release and tournament schedules across the world.

Just imagine what would happen in the USA if Iowa and only Iowa got sets a month early. Or Florida had all of its events delayed by a month.


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Tournament Formats doc said:
3.1. Modified Format
The Modified format is the standard tournament format for Pokémon Organized Play events. This format will be used at all premier events unless specified otherwise. The Modified format for the rest of the 2011 season and the entirety of the 2012 season will consist of the following sets:
 
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Note: The "official relationship" Exobyte mentions refers solely to the Compendium and our Rulings work.
We do have a strong "unofficial relationship" with them, as described above, but that's unofficial.
Only the Rulings documents and forum are "official".
 
Note: The "official relationship" Exobyte mentions refers solely to the Compendium and our Rulings work.
We do have a strong "unofficial relationship" with them, as described above, but that's unofficial.
Only the Rulings documents and forum are "official".
 
Good on them for finally putting it on the website. Still could've been handled better, but something is better than nothing.
 
So the official release date is the 15th, but some vendors are going to sell and ship it sooner than the 15th, because they can?

I will not even see my cases until the 15th...I would not mind being able to offer them early...lol...perhaps it is time to talk with my distributor...
 
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I suspect that the 15th is the tournament street date and that product will be readily available before then
 
I don't know why this is so surprising. I mean it isn't like the exact same thing happened last year. For those who don't recall NV had already gone through prerelease just before release, and in this case the release date has been vague at best.

Not taking sides, just saying is all.
 
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