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The unreleased Legendary Collection 2 set

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Long-time veterans of the game will recall that the original Legendary Collection set was made entirely of cards reprinted from Base, Jungle, Fossil, and Team Rocket, many of which were fan favorites, and was released after these sets had been rotated out. During WotC's last few months with Pokémon in 2003, I recall hearing that they were planning a Legendary Collection 2 set, but for 7 long years, the thought never once crossed my mind... until today, when I ran across the article for it on Bulbapedia. According to that article, it was going to consist of cards from the Gym and Neo sets. It also states that Nintendo is the one who chose not to release the set.

Does anyone have any further information on specifically what cards or sets were going to be included or exactly why Nintendo chose not to release it? I realize there probably wasn't a great deal of information leaked about LC2, but after reading the article, I'm super curious. :)

Thanks!
 
If I remember correctly, WotC was supposed to make an English-only set called Jamboree or Cross-Trainer or something, and also release a lot of Team Rocket and VS cards that were not released States-side. But they had a falling out with Nintendo because the Japanese people could not stand the DCI and the infamous Wizards stuff happened.
 
i'd be amazed if anyone knew exactly was going to be included in these sets...unless you know someone who was working for WotC at the time. I would LOVE to know also...
 
Yeah, one of Jambree and CrossTrainer (I don't remember which) was going to be cards designed by WotC and drawn by North American artists. But when the gongshow started, PCL changed their mind.

The only reason I would have wanted LC2 is that they could have reprinted and fixed Slowking.
 
After further exploring on Bulbapedia, it appears that there were 4 unreleased WotC sets:

  • Crosstrainer (7/10/2001) - a "Base Set 3" that would feature every gen 1 Pokémon as well as 30 cards unreleased in English, such as the Vending Machine promos
  • Legendary Collection 2 (late spring 2003)
  • "Unnamed Wizards Set" (mid-late 2003) - a set consisting entirely of cards designed and illustrated by WotC
  • Jamboree (fall 2003) - a set consisting of some WotC-made cards and other cards unreleased in English, such as the Vending Machine promos; box and pack designs had apparently been created and finalized

I find this very interesting... it's a shame that we'll probably never know more.
 
iamapwnda said:
If I remember correctly, WotC was supposed to make an English-only set called Jamboree or Cross-Trainer or something, and also release a lot of Team Rocket and VS cards that were not released States-side. But they had a falling out with Nintendo because the Japanese people could not stand the DCI and the infamous Wizards stuff happened.
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I think it was more of them alienating players by eliminating the 15+ age group to make players switch to MTG and not really doing what they were suppose to be doing as far as releasing the cards. There was good reason that WOTC lost the game. If they had held on to it the TCG would have died. It was VERY close to death when Nintendo came in and decided to try to save it. Had it been another year, we might very well be playing something totally different for a hobby. I don't have the numbers on it, but I am sure someone does, maybe POP or maybe some of the mods on this board can verify how bad it really was.

Drew
 
TheDarkTwins said:
I think it was more of them alienating players by eliminating the 15+ age group to make players switch to MTG and not really doing what they were suppose to be doing as far as releasing the cards. There was good reason that WOTC lost the game. If they had held on to it the TCG would have died. It was VERY close to death when Nintendo came in and decided to try to save it. Had it been another year, we might very well be playing something totally different for a hobby. I don't have the numbers on it, but I am sure someone does, maybe POP or maybe some of the mods on this board can verify how bad it really was.

Drew
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There is a chart from WotC that I've incorporated into this Pokemon history article:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32321

At it's low point, you can see how badly the Pokemon TCG had fallen.

It is currently doing better than MTG and, I think, has been at least since DP came out.

I'd love to get more updated numbers...
 
Misdreavus said:
  • "Unnamed Wizards Set" (mid-late 2003) - a set consisting entirely of cards designed and illustrated by WotC
  • Jamboree (fall 2003) - a set consisting of some WotC-made cards and other cards unreleased in English, such as the Vending Machine promos; box and pack designs had apparently been created and finalized
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These two sound like the same thing.
There's no way that they'd have two sets with such similar elements coming out at virtually the same time.
 
PokePop said:
There is a chart from WotC that I've incorporated into this Pokemon history article:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32321

At it's low point, you can see how badly the Pokemon TCG had fallen.

It is currently doing better than MTG and, I think, has been at least since DP came out.

I'd love to get more updated numbers...
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At the point of repeating myself once again, are you ever going to continue on that? I know that you planned to write more but haven't had a shot, any chance that still might happen? :biggrin:

Drew
 
BTW, Pop, I still love that graphic. Never, ever lose that thing.
 
Kind of off-topic, but if you had 1 share of the parent companies that produce magic and YGO and pokemon, could you obtain sales figures from previous years, even rough ones, so that we could have more accurate comparisons?
 
PokePop said:
Part 3 is halfway done.
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Finally!

Oh dear - does this mean I need to honour my side of the bargain and write another collecting article? :eek:

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ryanvergel said:
Kind of off-topic, but if you had 1 share of the parent companies that produce magic and YGO and pokemon, could you obtain sales figures from previous years, even rough ones, so that we could have more accurate comparisons?
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I asked someone if US subsidiary companies have to produce public accounts... the answer I got is no. Unless Hasbro (owners of WotC, makers of M:TG) or Nintendo (for Pokémon) decide to provide the information, we're out of luck.

1% is a lot of money though, the company would certainly want to know who you are if you own that much, so maybe...
 
Sorry if I'm not supposed to post since this is a month old. I'm not here very often anymore :)


I think I had posted a "set-list" for LC2 at some point- still searching for it. LC 2 was old stuff plus a few new ones (VS/Vending series).

"Jamboree" was the WOTC set using some of their artists plus other outside folks. Completely new. This and LC2 was to fill up the schedule for the rest of the year until the R/S set made its debut the following year.

Cross-Trainer was supposed to be a combination of the two but was just kind of a preliminary announcement on something that WOTC was trying to develop.





EDIT: Found it!


1/150 Aerodactyl Lv. 27
2/150 Ampharos Lv. 46
3/150 Beedrill Lv. 36
4/150 Blissey Lv. 62
5/150 Butterfree Lv. 38
6/150 Celebi Lv. 16
7/150 Dark Espeon Lv. 32
8/150 Dark Gengar Lv. 32
9/150 Dark Slowking Lv. 27
10/150 Dark Typhlosion Lv. 45
11/150 Dark Tyranitar Lv. 47
12/150 Donphan Lv. 34
13/150 Elekid Lv. 6
14/150 Entei Lv. 24
15/150 Feraligatr Lv. 56
16/150 Forretress Lv. 40
17/150 Hitmontop Lv. 31
18/150 Ho-ohd Lv. 45
19/150 Jumpluff Lv. 37
20/150 Light Machamp Lv. 65
21/150 Lugia Lv. 43
22/150 Magmar Lv. 31
23/150 Meganium Lv. 57
24/150 Politoed Lv. 53
25/150 Poliwrath Lv. 45
26/150 Raikou Lv. 26
27/150 Steelix Lv. 64
28/150 Suicune Lv. 25
29/150 Umbreon Lv. 40
30/150 Rocket's Sneak Attack
31/150 Dark Omastar Lv. 33
32/150 Dark Ursaring Lv. 28
33/150 Exeggutor Lv. 27
34/150 Houndoom Lv. 35
35/150 Light Arcanine Lv. 47
36/150 Light Golduck Lv. 36
37/150 Light Togetic Lv. 32
38/150 Light Venomoth Lv. 36
39/150 Magby Lv. 5
40/150 Magneton Lv. 37
41/150 Mew Lv. 5
42/150 Misdreavus Lv. 25
43/150 Noctowl Lv. 23
44/150 Quagsire Lv. 35
45/150 Piloswine Lv. 41
46/150 Porygon2 Lv. 33
47/150 Sneasel Lv. 32
48/150 Skarmory Lv. 30
49/150 Unown D Lv. 14
50/150 Unown M Lv. 14
51/150 Unown N Lv. 14
52/150 Wobbuffet Lv. 46
53/150 Azumarill Lv. 29
54/150 Bayleef Lv. 39
55/150 Croconaw Lv. 41
56/150 Dark Ariados Lv. 28
57/150 Dark Haunter Lv. 18
58/150 Dark Magcargo Lv. 36
59/150 Dark Octillery Lv. 30
60/150 Dark Omanyte Lv. 18
61/150 Dark Pupitar Lv. 26
62/150 Dark Quilava Lv. 27
63/150 Dark Scizor Lv. 35
64/150 Delibird Lv. 34
65/150 Eevee Lv. 7
66/150 Flaaffy Lv. 32
67/150 Furret Lv. 27
68/150 Gligar Lv. 31
69/150 Granbull Lv. 33
70/150 Hoothoot Lv. 17
71/150 Igglybuff Lv. 6
72/150 Jynx Lv. 20
73/150 Kakuna Lv. 22
74/150 Light Machoke Lv. 37
75/150 Light Lanturn Lv. 33
76/150 Light Ledian Lv. 37
77/150 Metapod Lv. 23
78/150 Miltank Lv. 32
79/150 Onix Lv. 22
80/150 Pineco Lv. 13
81/150 Poliwhirl Lv. 35
82/150 Raichu Lv. 39
83/150 Shuckle Lv. 28
84/150 Skiploom Lv. 28
85/150 Smeargle Lv. 27
86/150 Smoochum Lv. 6
87/150 Stantler Lv. 29
88/150 Starmie Lv. 31
89/150 Xatu Lv. 38
90/150 Yanma Lv. 32
91/150 Aipom Lv. 18
92/150 Caterpie Lv. 16
93/150 Chansey Lv. 38
94/150 Chikorita Lv. 19
95/150 Chinchou Lv. 13
96/150 Cyndaquil Lv. 21
97/150 Dunsparce Lv. 9
98/150 Exeggcute Lv. 12
99/150 Farfetch'd Lv. 22
100/150 Gastly Lv. 12
101/150 Girafarig Lv. 30
102/150 Growlithe Lv. 14
103/150 Hoppip Lv. 8
104/150 Houndour Lv. 22
105/150 Larvitar Lv. 12
106/150 Ledyba Lv. 18
107/150 Machop Lv. 16
108/150 Magnemite Lv. 16
109/150 Mantine Lv. 31
110/150 Mareep Lv. 12
111/150 Marill Lv. 9
112/150 Murkrow Lv. 21
113/150 Natu Lv. 13
114/150 Phanpy Lv. 14
115/150 Pikachu Lv. 15
116/150 Poliwag Lv. 14
117/150 Porygon Lv. 20
118/150 Psyduck Lv. 15
119/150 Qwilfish Lv. 30
120/150 Remoraid Lv. 16
121/150 Scyther Lv. 24
122/150 Sentret Lv. 18
123/150 Slowpoke Lv. 20
124/150 Slugma Lv. 28
125/150 Snubbull Lv. 21
126/150 Spinarak Lv. 19
127/150 Staryu Lv. 13
128/150 Sudowoodo Lv. 29
129/150 Swinub Lv. 10
130/150 Teddiursa Lv. 12
131/150 Togepi Lv. 14
132/150 Totodile Lv. 20
133/150 Venonat Lv. 11
134/150 Weedle Lv. 14
135/150 Wooper Lv. 18
136/150 Broken Ground Gym
137/150 Ecogym
138/150 Energy Stadium
139/150 Gold Berry
140/150 Rocket's Hideout
141/150 Sprout Tower
142/150 Super Energy Retrieval
143/150 Team Rocket's Evil Deeds
144/150 Balloon Berry
145/150 Fossil Egg
146/150 Healing Field
147/150 Hyper Devolution Spray
148/150 Mary
149/150 Pokemon Breeder Fields
150/150 Berry
 
Ah, that's one thing I miss about WotC though...they had nice big sets. Compare that to the routinely sub-100 card sets we get now...which is both a good and bad thing in ways I suppose.
 
soslowpoke:
Was this a list that was released by WotC at some point (and if so, where) or is this a guesstimate based on some other clues, and if so, what were they?

Basically, I'm looking to determine how definitively this list should be considered.
soslowpoke said:
Sorry if I'm not supposed to post since this is a month old. I'm not here very often anymore :)


I think I had posted a "set-list" for LC2 at some point- still searching for it. LC 2 was old stuff plus a few new ones (VS/Vending series).

"Jamboree" was the WOTC set using some of their artists plus other outside folks. Completely new. This and LC2 was to fill up the schedule for the rest of the year until the R/S set made its debut the following year.

Cross-Trainer was supposed to be a combination of the two but was just kind of a preliminary announcement on something that WOTC was trying to develop.





EDIT: Found it!


1/150 Aerodactyl Lv. 27
2/150 Ampharos Lv. 46
3/150 Beedrill Lv. 36
4/150 Blissey Lv. 62
5/150 Butterfree Lv. 38
6/150 Celebi Lv. 16
7/150 Dark Espeon Lv. 32
8/150 Dark Gengar Lv. 32
9/150 Dark Slowking Lv. 27
10/150 Dark Typhlosion Lv. 45
11/150 Dark Tyranitar Lv. 47
12/150 Donphan Lv. 34
13/150 Elekid Lv. 6
14/150 Entei Lv. 24
15/150 Feraligatr Lv. 56
16/150 Forretress Lv. 40
17/150 Hitmontop Lv. 31
18/150 Ho-ohd Lv. 45
19/150 Jumpluff Lv. 37
20/150 Light Machamp Lv. 65
21/150 Lugia Lv. 43
22/150 Magmar Lv. 31
23/150 Meganium Lv. 57
24/150 Politoed Lv. 53
25/150 Poliwrath Lv. 45
26/150 Raikou Lv. 26
27/150 Steelix Lv. 64
28/150 Suicune Lv. 25
29/150 Umbreon Lv. 40
30/150 Rocket's Sneak Attack
31/150 Dark Omastar Lv. 33
32/150 Dark Ursaring Lv. 28
33/150 Exeggutor Lv. 27
34/150 Houndoom Lv. 35
35/150 Light Arcanine Lv. 47
36/150 Light Golduck Lv. 36
37/150 Light Togetic Lv. 32
38/150 Light Venomoth Lv. 36
39/150 Magby Lv. 5
40/150 Magneton Lv. 37
41/150 Mew Lv. 5
42/150 Misdreavus Lv. 25
43/150 Noctowl Lv. 23
44/150 Quagsire Lv. 35
45/150 Piloswine Lv. 41
46/150 Porygon2 Lv. 33
47/150 Sneasel Lv. 32
48/150 Skarmory Lv. 30
49/150 Unown D Lv. 14
50/150 Unown M Lv. 14
51/150 Unown N Lv. 14
52/150 Wobbuffet Lv. 46
53/150 Azumarill Lv. 29
54/150 Bayleef Lv. 39
55/150 Croconaw Lv. 41
56/150 Dark Ariados Lv. 28
57/150 Dark Haunter Lv. 18
58/150 Dark Magcargo Lv. 36
59/150 Dark Octillery Lv. 30
60/150 Dark Omanyte Lv. 18
61/150 Dark Pupitar Lv. 26
62/150 Dark Quilava Lv. 27
63/150 Dark Scizor Lv. 35
64/150 Delibird Lv. 34
65/150 Eevee Lv. 7
66/150 Flaaffy Lv. 32
67/150 Furret Lv. 27
68/150 Gligar Lv. 31
69/150 Granbull Lv. 33
70/150 Hoothoot Lv. 17
71/150 Igglybuff Lv. 6
72/150 Jynx Lv. 20
73/150 Kakuna Lv. 22
74/150 Light Machoke Lv. 37
75/150 Light Lanturn Lv. 33
76/150 Light Ledian Lv. 37
77/150 Metapod Lv. 23
78/150 Miltank Lv. 32
79/150 Onix Lv. 22
80/150 Pineco Lv. 13
81/150 Poliwhirl Lv. 35
82/150 Raichu Lv. 39
83/150 Shuckle Lv. 28
84/150 Skiploom Lv. 28
85/150 Smeargle Lv. 27
86/150 Smoochum Lv. 6
87/150 Stantler Lv. 29
88/150 Starmie Lv. 31
89/150 Xatu Lv. 38
90/150 Yanma Lv. 32
91/150 Aipom Lv. 18
92/150 Caterpie Lv. 16
93/150 Chansey Lv. 38
94/150 Chikorita Lv. 19
95/150 Chinchou Lv. 13
96/150 Cyndaquil Lv. 21
97/150 Dunsparce Lv. 9
98/150 Exeggcute Lv. 12
99/150 Farfetch'd Lv. 22
100/150 Gastly Lv. 12
101/150 Girafarig Lv. 30
102/150 Growlithe Lv. 14
103/150 Hoppip Lv. 8
104/150 Houndour Lv. 22
105/150 Larvitar Lv. 12
106/150 Ledyba Lv. 18
107/150 Machop Lv. 16
108/150 Magnemite Lv. 16
109/150 Mantine Lv. 31
110/150 Mareep Lv. 12
111/150 Marill Lv. 9
112/150 Murkrow Lv. 21
113/150 Natu Lv. 13
114/150 Phanpy Lv. 14
115/150 Pikachu Lv. 15
116/150 Poliwag Lv. 14
117/150 Porygon Lv. 20
118/150 Psyduck Lv. 15
119/150 Qwilfish Lv. 30
120/150 Remoraid Lv. 16
121/150 Scyther Lv. 24
122/150 Sentret Lv. 18
123/150 Slowpoke Lv. 20
124/150 Slugma Lv. 28
125/150 Snubbull Lv. 21
126/150 Spinarak Lv. 19
127/150 Staryu Lv. 13
128/150 Sudowoodo Lv. 29
129/150 Swinub Lv. 10
130/150 Teddiursa Lv. 12
131/150 Togepi Lv. 14
132/150 Totodile Lv. 20
133/150 Venonat Lv. 11
134/150 Weedle Lv. 14
135/150 Wooper Lv. 18
136/150 Broken Ground Gym
137/150 Ecogym
138/150 Energy Stadium
139/150 Gold Berry
140/150 Rocket's Hideout
141/150 Sprout Tower
142/150 Super Energy Retrieval
143/150 Team Rocket's Evil Deeds
144/150 Balloon Berry
145/150 Fossil Egg
146/150 Healing Field
147/150 Hyper Devolution Spray
148/150 Mary
149/150 Pokemon Breeder Fields
150/150 Berry
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