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Thieves caught on video at Worlds, TPCi does nothing

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Anyone who has wasted time in this thread victim-blaming, talking about the need to watch one's items or simply not carry valuable belongings to tournaments, talking about international law (or any other law-related tangents), etc. is guilty of completely missing the point of the actual issue here, which is TPCI's refusal to properly deal with a documented thief/cheater. No one asked for your advice on what to pack, or not to pack, on tournament day. It's irrelevant. Any discussion of the law is also irrelevant here, and by that I mean that it doesn't matter what law enforcement did or didn't do in this situation. It isn't as if TPCI has to follow the lead and model of some bigger punishing body or otherwise sit there thumb-twiddling. TPCI has its own disciplinary system, and it can and should act autonomously and unilaterally in a situation like this. Gino didn't steal from some stranger in a Wal-mart parking lot, either -- he took a Macbook from a fellow Pokemon player in the hotel that TPCI put Mees up in during Worlds weekend.
As Mees pointed out in his OP, TPCI is hiding behind technicalities to avoid dealing with this incident. If this had happened during the top cut, on the Worlds floor, then would we even be having this discussion? No. Does the action itself change at all? No. Hypothetically, Gino could bring the stolen Macbook with him to Regionals and tell everyone he scored a computer from the Netherlands while posting round-by-round updates that include admissions of palming, and apparently that isn't going to change a thing because he has already been officially pardoned for these and all other sins.

This is such an absurd situation. I think we need a recap.

- TPCI sees the evidence that Mees posted in the OP
- TPCI stashes this away in the files of Jon and Gino, so the evidence must have compelled TPCI
- TPCI says they will be sending Jon and Gino each a warning letter; further evidence that the evidence compelled them
- TPCI does not ban anyone. I guess TPCI could only be compelled so far.

So what exactly did the warning letter say? "Hey Gino, sorry to bother you, but we recently got word that you stole an international player's Macbook at the Worlds hotel and then fled to America where the law can't be bothered to reach you. Oh, and we can't really be bothered either. No more Macbook stealing though, you hear? Or we might have to send you another one of these oh-so-unpleasant warning letters. Or maybe we'll bar you from being a Pokemon Professor. But WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT!"

TPCI's lack of action in this situation is not "approval" in an active sense, no, but you're just playing meaningless semantic games if you try to argue that their do-nothing stance is anything other than an ignoble cop-out. To do nothing is basically to give a shrug rather than a thumbs up. What is the difference between those two gestures here? It's a case of tacit approval versus explicit approval.

Oh, and what about all of the cheating allegations that have been thrown at Gino in this thread, especially those from Rahul? What does a player have to do to get banned around here anyway?

Another thing: it isn't cool to defend Gino as an abstract victim of mob-mentality hatred (nothing about this is abstract, he is not a victim, etc.), or play more semantic games over the meaning of words like "thug" or "gangster". There is evidence left and right of Gino doing things that merit his removal from organized play. The random people defending him remind me of the high school kids who wear Che Guevara shirts but have no idea who he was or what he stood for. Gino's not a cool meme nor does his face belong on your T-shirt.


Awesome post, absolutely nailed it.
 
If TPCi does change their mind (or already have) and ban Gino forever, we won't find out unless Gino himself tells us, right? If he doesn't, then the first indication we'll get is if, within about nine months, he decides to "quit".
 
Where did they say that? People who cheat and steal dont normally deserve to be banned forever. To my knowledge, people who cheat and are caught are punished. People are upset here because they expect TPCi to handle a theft by banning those involved permanently.

What happens when it's a guy with a history of cheating AND stealing? How many chances do you give him?

At this point I wonder how many people are defending TCPi because they think Gino didn't steal?

You forgot to make Billy live in another country. In terms of any legal prosecution for any theft, the multiple countries involved is where the entire thing becomes infinitely more sticky.

I mean... come on. Was this ever a criminal case for TCPi? They're not the police, but they can certainly police their own game. This isn't criminal court, it's all TCPi's call whether someone gets banned from a GAME or not based on pretty solid evidence that the person has done harm directly to another player. This whole debacle happened out of strict tournament times, but it's at the very venue they held the tournament, committed by the very people in their tournament that they INVITED. So unless they don't believe Gino is guilty of theft (with video/picture/written evidence) - which is okay if they had just said so, but their cop-out response and complete lack of transparency is what really got to me. I'm personally not competing this year or in the foreseeable future, not because of this particular event, but the sideshow of how TCPi has dealt with cheating and stealing this past season definitely doesn't have me looking back at the game.
 
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It seems that this thread has been derailed to the talk of cheating and the like, so I figure I will chime in on information that has SOMETHING to do with the original topic and the current topic.

Gino has been nothing but a good friend to me. He has done nothing to me to show that he is "scummy" or "vile" as many suggest. But I do know that he has played shady games because he told me so. He has told me that he has palmed cards and such. I have actually heard a story from one of his opponents that went exactly the way Gino described it to be. Now it was very hard for me to come out with this information because it really doesn't have all too much to do with the original post, but I do feel that the community should know this. I love the game I play and want everyone to play fairly.

Now note, even with this information I still consider Gino a friend. Many of you will think I am silly for befriending someone who admits to cheating, but I was raised on the notion that you should treat others with the respect that they treat you with. Gino has been nothing but a class act and a great friend to me.
 
All I know is that I would not feel comfortable at a tournament with Geno or any other cheater or thief.

If everyone can't feel comfortable playing A FREAKEN CARD GAME, then TCPi is failing at their job.
 
So maybe I am a bit in the dark on the whole international legal system.
However you would think that stuff worth over $3000 would be considered a bit more than "petty thievery"?

You would struggle, at least in the United States, to get most local police departments to care about that size of theft, even if it stays within their city. Add to that the pain of paperwork etc. involved with something international, and no one will ever bother.
 
It is not the job of TPCi to keep track of your stuff and make sure it doesnt get stolen. There is no feesible way for Tpci to keep everyones stuff safe. All of this "I dont feel safe at tournaments anymore" is ridiculous. If once incident of accused stealing is no reason to say things like that. Theft unfortunately has its place in society unforutnately people saying things like this make pokemon look like it is the worst card game there is. If this theft did occur that is quite unfortunate for all parties involved, and should teach others to keep track of their things, but give our community more credit than "i dont feel safe at tournaments". Pokemon has a much lower theft and cheating rate than other games and comments like that make the community as a whole look bad.
I understand the main issue with people is the decision by TPCi, and I have no comment on that, but just remember that the supposed action of two people do not define the community as a whole. I have heard an exponentially larger number of stories of players having $100+ items being returned or turned into judges than being stolen so keep that in mind. Bad eggs will always be around and incidents will occur, but as a whole the Pokemon community has a very friendly and safe atmosphere
 
It is not the job of TPCi to keep track of your stuff and make sure it doesnt get stolen.

Nobody is saying that. Let's not open up straw-man arguments.

The debate is whether TPCi has a duty to ban a player that has been reasonably identified as a thief, particularly when involved in an incident closely attached to their highest-level event.
 
A few years ago a long term Junior player in our area got caught cheating in swiss play of our State Championship. He stacked his deck during the match and was caught by a passing by Judge. This was the first time he was ever punished for cheating and he was kicked out of the event and then TCPI gave him a 12 month ban from participating in the game.

Silly kid don't you know its only OK to do that in the Top Cut of a Nationals championship. IF you are a kid under 10 and you get caught cheating TCPI will throw the book at you. Next time just steal something once the event is over and you will be ok.
 
There is more to this situation then "it happened outside the event"
I am not sure how many times me and other people have said this,
but there is precedence of people being banned for things they did out of the tournament area.

because I am personally getting sick of this thread I am going to sum up some facts along how I feel.

First of all I understand that Jon is Claiming that At the Party Mees said he has the night before that he left cards there.
The next day he went to Mees Room and Mees wasn't there and his bags were at the desk.
So I am assuming he took HIS cards back then Stole Some.

So yeah Stealing does not condone stealing but Assuming Jon isn't lying and he has no reason to because he gave the cards back.
Then Everyone should be feel the same, that stealing doesn't justify stealing. But it looks like Mees got his cards back and so did Jon.
So this is a logical reason Jon isn't banned if BOTH parties did wrong, or they should be BOTH banned?

As for Gino, there is no concrete proof he stole the macbook. With the picture Given IT COULD have been the Macbook and COULD have been cards (that have been sent back to Mees as mees claims he got All (?) his cards back.)

Also to note if I am not wrong Mees celebrated his 18th Birthday, that entire situation of a wild party, may be another factor of the situation with Mees, Jon, Gino and the Hotel.
 
So if there's no proof that he stole the macbook, Mees is still short one macbook, who stole it?

And to those of you who have said Gino has been a class act to you? That's cool, because he's been a total jerk to people I call my friends.
 
Homeofmew- I'm sure there is proof, doesn't mean we get to see it. All of us players would just LOVE to see some consistency with TPCi. Here imo is the "proof". TPCi sent a warning letter, why would they send a warning letter to Gino regarding the theft if they didnt have evidence. I truly feel there is some favortism going on here, after all we did see THAT video with a certain leader of Pokemon and Gino, that video seemed fishy.

My true verdict of guilt is the lack of response by Gino himself, why is he silent? How would he incriminate himself if he didn't do it. Gino needs to face the public and tell his side of the story, but he is too busy trying to get buff and making people furious with his arrogant antics and classless demeanor.

I wish every PTO would deny him entry into a tournament, for once I wish this game could live up to the "spirit if the game".
 
Homeofmew- I'm sure there is proof, doesn't mean we get to see it. All of us players would just LOVE to see some consistency with TPCi. Here imo is the "proof". TPCi sent a warning letter, why would they send a warning letter to Gino regarding the theft if they didnt have evidence. I truly feel there is some favortism going on here, after all we did see THAT video with a certain leader of Pokemon and Gino, that video seemed fishy.

My true verdict of guilt is the lack of response by Gino himself, why is he silent? How would he incriminate himself if he didn't do it. Gino needs to face the public and tell his side of the story, but he is too busy trying to get buff and making people furious with his arrogant antics and classless demeanor.

I wish every PTO would deny him entry into a tournament, for once I wish this game could live up to the "spirit if the game".

Let me get this right..are you claiming to have seen a video with Gino and the leader of TCPI hanging out? Or were you implying something else?
 
Being that Mees Macbook was "stolen" does not mean Gino Stole it.
There is a chance that he DID steal it however, with the evidence given in this thread, it's just a fact there is
NOT enough Evidence GIVEN in this THREAD that he stole the Macbook.

The reason that Gino and Jon got the warning letter was because JON did Admit to taking some cards, and it seems Gino was involved with that
bag we saw posted by Mees. That isn't proof that Gino took the the Macbook.

I happen to feel the same way, Gino avoided Jason on facebook and won't talk to anyone, all he keeps posting on his wall is he didn't take the macbook.
 
Let me get this right..are you claiming to have seen a video with Gino and the leader of TCPI hanging out? Or were you implying something else?

No, I have not. Seriously though, that's all you got out of that? No wonder this thread is dying!

The video I was talking about was the "vine" video with Gino and Dave.
 
Being that you claiim Gino was in a video with Dave, and there might be favortism, also does not prove he stole the macbook.

However there is enough evidence that Gino did take something as he did get a warning letter (as well as Jon did),
as per Mees post. So the "favoritism for Gino theory" doesn't really work out.

I mean if this thread is "where is mees macbook" would make a lot more sense other then "why weren't these people banned".
 
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The video being mentioned was a 6-second Vine video Gino made at Nationals as a joke. It started with Gino on camera saying "I can't beat my next opponent but I have an idea." Then it cut to Dave S. and Dan B. standing next to each other (somewhat far away from Gino actually) and a Gino voiceover says something like "will you ban my opponent for me?" and Dave says "I'll ban him for ya."

Besides some potential creative editing, Gino and Dave were certainly not in a video "with" each other.


UPDATE: I found the video. It was posted to the HF Facebook group on July 6.
 
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Let's take this in context, though...That video is FUNNY! That video is something TOTALLY SEPARATE from what occurred in Vancouver. That does NOT amount to favoritism of any kind: I'm sure if Gino really needed to be banned, Dave would have no problem doing that.

This sort of tongue-in-cheek stuff is GOOD for organized play, and I hope it doesn't go away just because someone tries to extrapolate a non-existent bias.

P.S. Not saying that, or interested in, any accusations that are of that content. Just saying that they're baseless.
 
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