Thread to discuss the war
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eI_at10s
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No.
I've pretty much forgotten that the war was supposedly about gasoline and all that.
It doesn't make much sense to me.
I mean, that may be what the media/government wants you to think, but it can't be just for oil.
That's like me bombing my friends house because he doesn't give me his food anymore.
The gas hikes are the comapnies' fault.
We could win the war right now, it doesn't mean the prices will go down.
Yeah, like we're gonna win the third Vietnam War.
I've pretty much forgotten that the war was supposedly about gasoline and all that.
It doesn't make much sense to me.
I mean, that may be what the media/government wants you to think, but it can't be just for oil.
That's like me bombing my friends house because he doesn't give me his food anymore.
The gas hikes are the comapnies' fault.
We could win the war right now, it doesn't mean the prices will go down.
Yeah, like we're gonna win the third Vietnam War.
You should try living with the highest gas prices in North America. $1.30 CAD for a litre of gas indeed. It's pretty amusing, really. The gas companies tell us that the gas price hikes are necessary, yet they're making profit hand over fist.
If anything, winning the war would make gas prices go up.
Flaming_Spinach
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1 gallon = 4 liters
ZAKtheGeek
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Why would the government want people to think it went to war to enrich a couple of massively rich corporations? And really, the media doesn't want people to think anything, except maybe "vote conservative." Otherwise, it's just whatever people would find interesting.
Welcome to international politics! Doesn't make much sense, does it?
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
The war definitely isn't about oil. It's about naive ideals, a lack of preparation, and an insane amount of propaganda from both ends of the political spectrum.
What gets me though is that people cite Cheney's past involvement in Haliburton as reason for starting the war? I know for a fact that that definitely wasn't Cheney's design for two reasons:
#1-he's ridiculously wealthy.
#2-every Haliburton stockholder has suffered before and after the war. A relative of mine was almost as high up in the food chain as Cheney, yet his stock suffered, and guess what? No oil profits from Iraq.
Now, while oil is not the reason for this war, I'll qualify my statement with the fact that congress is friendly with big oil, no doubt. Ever wondered why there's such a lack of progress in alternative fuels? Ahem...there's your answer.
Hehe, as for "Conservative bias"? Please...conservatives control radio. It's the liberals that control television.
What gets me though is that people cite Cheney's past involvement in Haliburton as reason for starting the war? I know for a fact that that definitely wasn't Cheney's design for two reasons:
#1-he's ridiculously wealthy.
#2-every Haliburton stockholder has suffered before and after the war. A relative of mine was almost as high up in the food chain as Cheney, yet his stock suffered, and guess what? No oil profits from Iraq.
Now, while oil is not the reason for this war, I'll qualify my statement with the fact that congress is friendly with big oil, no doubt. Ever wondered why there's such a lack of progress in alternative fuels? Ahem...there's your answer.
Hehe, as for "Conservative bias"? Please...conservatives control radio. It's the liberals that control television.
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Mew
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Yep, when we fight Iraq, we get their oil off the market. And since they're almost tied for number 1 with the Saudi's for oil distribution, the Saudi's get to control the oil prices. And why would we help the Sauds you ask? Because the US set up a deal with them, that the US would help put Saudi Arabia into the 20th century if they supplied us with oil...
Sad really... Ethanol GO!
Sad really... Ethanol GO!
Mew
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Beware the MIC...
No matter what the initial motive for going to war was*, it has made a lot of people a lot of money: as soon as the war started, oil prices went up... even though the oil being sold at the time had been bought years before war with Iraq was even been discussed. Weapons manufacturers always love a good war, and the builders that will be sent in to clear up the mess will be getting a nice fat cheque from the Iraqi government... which will be so happy to be in power now NATO has ousted Saddam that they owe NATO members a little favor; more oil perhaps? Let's not forget the members of the Federal Reserve who financed it all... I'm sure they'll be getting a bit of a pay increase too.
* It certainly wasn't the non-existant WMD. I'm sure at-least some of you are familiar with the case of Dr. David Kelly: the weapons inspector sent to Iraq who claimed that the dossier on Iraq published in Britain, the very "reason" we agreed to join the war, was highly fabricated... and then turned up dead (suicide apparently... but some people still don't think it all adds up [cue X-Files theme tune]).
Overall I'd describe the war as a complete shambles. Started illegally, progressed illegally (like Iraqi news crews who where "accidentally" blown up... wouldn't it be embarrassing if someone leaked evidence of Bush's intention to target the media? Oops!), ended 4 years (at-least) before the fighting actually stopped and with far too many "orange rockets", tortured POW photographs, and "we can't afford to equip our soldiers" incidents. Still; at this stage we owe the people of Iraq a lot. The country is in ruins, and we need to stay and fix what we broke.
* It certainly wasn't the non-existant WMD. I'm sure at-least some of you are familiar with the case of Dr. David Kelly: the weapons inspector sent to Iraq who claimed that the dossier on Iraq published in Britain, the very "reason" we agreed to join the war, was highly fabricated... and then turned up dead (suicide apparently... but some people still don't think it all adds up [cue X-Files theme tune]).
Overall I'd describe the war as a complete shambles. Started illegally, progressed illegally (like Iraqi news crews who where "accidentally" blown up... wouldn't it be embarrassing if someone leaked evidence of Bush's intention to target the media? Oops!), ended 4 years (at-least) before the fighting actually stopped and with far too many "orange rockets", tortured POW photographs, and "we can't afford to equip our soldiers" incidents. Still; at this stage we owe the people of Iraq a lot. The country is in ruins, and we need to stay and fix what we broke.
Ninjaskfan
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so if that is true, why aren't we getting cheaper oil because big companies are drilling for more and thus have more to give thus easing demand while meeting supply? I am going to assume that you mis-poke because no one could be this ignorant.
if this war is about oil, then please, i ask you to visit Ground Zero of New York City and remember those innocent people who were butchered by terrorist, who ljumped from the highest story's of the building hoping to survive the impact, visit the USS Cole, and speak to the families of the soldiers who died, go to Madrid Spain and ask the family's of the train bombing if this war is for oil.
If i recall right, we went to war because 3000+ Americans Died on 9/11 by terrorist. we never would have gone to war if that had not happened. So if you have the ability to put 2+2 together, it should be blindingly obvious to you that this war was not started for Oil. it was started because America WAS ATTACKED. we went to war with Japan when they attacked us, why would this be any different?
face it, there is no way you can argue unless you want to say that those people who were murdered by terrorist deserved to die and those seeking to kill their family and friends are justified to do so.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0&mode=related&search=
if you have the courage to watch this, i implore you to do so.
and for the record... their country was already in shambles before we got there, war lords and Saddam controlled everything, people were being executed... imagine living in a blood and crip hood with no cops. that is what Iraq was like before we got there, at least there are some buffers between the factions now to help the innocents.
Flaming_Spinach
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David's Confused Pokedad
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So if every American had a Tesla tommorrow would the war would be over?
I'm predicting page 3...
Anyways, all I'm going to say is this...
1. Our troops shouldn't have gone there in the first place. That's obvious. However, since they are there, I can't see any sort of withdrawl anytime soon
2. Going to Iraq was nothing more than a repeat of the 80s, which was when Bush (senior) went in. Therefore, I don't think Junior went in out of revenge, or out of oil. I personally think he went in to finish up what daddy didn't.
My two cents.
I doubt it. Even though Saddam is dead, our troops are still there. If anything, the current administration would manage to pull a half-assed reason to go to Iraq, which shouldn't have been (and still isn't) the place we should be focusing on.David's Confused Pokedad said:
ixidor89
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If this war is about taking the lives lost on 9/11 seriously, then why have various media sources not been rebuked for making movies about 9/11. You'd think that we would have the respect to wait a little longer.
If I recall correctly, we went to war because the Bush Administration said that Iraq had WMD's. However, since it was remarkably obvious that they were wrong (and most likely lying) about this from the beginning, we can put two and two together and realize that this war was sought for something other than terrorism and nonexistant weapons.
I watched the video. So what? Do you honestly think that Muslims are the only people that have ever violently spread their beliefs?
Finally, your bottom statement is completely false. Under the DICTATORSHIP (no warlords) of Hussein, security was infinitely better than it is now because all of the country's power was concentrated in Hussein, which ended up largely suppressing the various internal conflicts that with him gone have now popped up again. Despite the obvious downsides to Saddum's rule , Iraqis could get electricity. Iraqis could get running water. Iraqis could get medical attention. Iraqis can't always get these things now.