Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

To Claydol or Not to Claydol?

No, the man has a point. Inviting Trap and Restructure open it up to being locked for Flygon mill. It can only do 40 for 2, which is decent considering Arcanine SV does 40 for 4, but a little underwhelming compared to Grovyle SF's Tail Shake, which does 20 and autosleep for one.

This card should definitely not be run, instead we should all switch to a Jirachi RR / Felicity's engine.
 
^But Jirachi only has SIXTY HP. Whatever will we do against those Rebels that play T2 Claydol with Expert Belt? D: Or those mean Blazekins that apparently run our format?!?!
 
I still don't understand why it's a problem to run a "bait" pokemon like Claydol on my bench. Heck wouldn't you rather they waste the effort attacking that than your own main attacker? </scarcasm>
 
Well, well, well. Another member who wants to make themselves famous by making a n00bish statement about how bad Claydol is while they just make their lives harder by doing so. So anyway, Claydol getting KO'd "easy" is not a reason. Anything can get KO'd "easy" if the right deck is used. Uxie/SSUs are just as vulnerable to Spray and an easy knockout as Claydol really.
 
I don't understand why we continue to make these threads. Claydol is really good. Except in very special cases, you should use it. The end. There is nothing else to discuss.
 
I guess its about time for someone to make a Sticky thread on this forum about the importance of Claydol in the format... =/

@topic: Usually, the ability to have a consistent draw (even for just a few turns, just enough for you to set-up) outweighs the risk of Claydol being sniped. Of course, Uxie can also help you set-up early game, but in the event that your opponent does not yet have a way to hurt your Benched Pokemon, Claydol is clearly the superior choice. It is also useful that the opponent is utilizing resources to snipe a harmless bench-sitter instead of using resources to KO your main attacker.
 
I believe the draw power outweighs the chance of it being sniped/dragged up in almost any situation. If you are so afraid of Bench mayhem, just tech in a Chansey with 100+ HP! You won't have to worry about being KOd and Chansey is a Basic.
 
Uhm... Sorry to crash the party, but Uxie is 70 HP. It gets sniped just as easily as Claydol does, and it only works once. Claydol is just too good a card to not play. If Claydol weren't actually good, people would have figured it out by now and stopped playing it.

The reason Claydol is necessary is that it works multiple times... on the other hand, if you want to drop multiple Uxies, you fill your bench with crap, and that's something you can't afford to do in this format.

EDIT: Qwachansey, your idea is prime, bro.
 
You're right!!!!! Claydol is such a terrible card and Uxie is 100x better than Claydol. I don't mind taking taking those claydols from you =D
 
^But Jirachi only has SIXTY HP. Whatever will we do against those Rebels that play T2 Claydol with Expert Belt? D: Or those mean Blazekins that apparently run our format?!?!

Yeah but when it dies you can get any card you want! After five of your Jirachi get KO'd, you could have assembled all of Exodia in your hand to win the game!!!!!!!!
 
This card has been used in practically every championship-worthy deck after its release. But look at it. Its Poke-Power is the best in the format. What could possibly be wrong with it? Surely this simple Stage 1 card deserves a place in every deck. Or does it? Can Claydol really help, or is it just a sniping target for Blazikens?

Claydol (Great Encounters) http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=33234

Firstly, let's look at the HP. A decent 80. A decent 80 that can't survive a Salamence (Secret Wonders) or Blaziken (Great Encounters) snipe. This is a problem. Unown G is commonly attached to Claydol, so that it can't be dragged into active by Luring Flame or inviting trap. It doesn't protect it from Innfernape 4 LV.X and Luxray GL LV.X's Poke-Powers. Its retreat cost is two :colorless:. That is terrible. You will get destroyed before you can retreat. Let's face it, only play this card if you're running a speed deck, or play a few Warp Points.

Salamence SW: http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=31866

Blaziken GE: http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=33272

Unown G GE: http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=33245

Infernape 4 LV.X: http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=45558

Luxray GL LV.X: http://pokegym.net/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=45505

Play a few Uxie and some SSUs instead. I rate this card a sorry 7/10. :nonono:
This arguement is atrocious. You might as well be saying roseanne's is bad because it wastes your supporter for the turn and can only get basic's, or that bebe's is bad because you have to put a card back. It's called balance, what did you expect them to do with one of THE most format warping pokepower's in the entire game? It is in nearly every deck, not kind of in a few, not sometimes in a few builds but only not in a deck if it absolutely does not work right with it.

So your arguements are this:
1q. 80hp, which you say is a problem because salamance, and blaziken snipes it so well.

2q. You mention attaching unown G to Claydol as if it were a problem

3q. It is unprotected by bench manipulating powers, like Infernape and Luxray.

4q. A retreat cost of 2

5q. Only worth it if you're playing warp points or a speed deck.

6q. Uxie and SSUs outclass it in your opinion.

Just making sure I've got all the main points of your arguement from the op.

Here's my answer to those arguements

1a. Salamance is a highly unplayed deck, it hasn't appeared in that many city t4s, none that I've seen at least, blazekin, while more popular, still isnt very rampant. A better example would've been Garchomp C X as that's seeing play everywhere, and yes it does snipe claydol, however it does take away 2 energy drops, and garchomp isnt using this attack that early anyway, so you will still get plenty of use out of it, it was going to KO something, claydol's just the target, because it's just that good, not because it has 80 hp.

2a. Unown G is a basic pokemon and doesnt even take up bench space, it can be searched with bebe's, roseanne's, great ball, etc. As a basic pokemon it's one of the most easily searched for pokemon, getting an unown G on a claydol is not a cripple in any stretch of the imagination.

3a. The only time infernape should be getting your claydol is if you have nothing else on your bench, you typically have options when your opponent uses inferape as well, and claydol is typically not a good choice to bring up. Also Luxray is one of the most sought after pokemon cards in the game right now and is also one of the most powerful, in this case it's not that claydol's bad as much as luxray is good.

4a. The retreat cost is obviously a sign of balance, this card had to be given some kind of down fall, how broken would it be of you got a baltoy start with claydol in hand, and then next turn evolved, got whatever you needed and then retreated. It's not that much of a handicap either.

5a. It's true that speed decks run claydols, some even run a 3-3 line, however many decks also run warp point, and plenty of decks use claydol to create the consistent force that claydol can create, not because they need to search for so many cards right away.

6a. Uxie is also bad for nearly all the reason's you stated claydol was bad, except for the fact that claydol has two retreat cost.


Claydol is in nearly every deck, and rightfully so, nothing in this format has consistent drawing power like claydol, it's ran in every deck and most arguements against are for the most part invalid, since claydol has been consistenly proven to be the most important parts of decks.
 
I understand everyone's point here, especially the ones who are saying that any card on the bench can get sniped. Claydol is brilliant in speed and spread decks. End of Story. Uxies are too liable to Power Sprayed, and it has 70 HP. Claydol is the better card. This was an interesting thread.
 
I understand everyone's point here, especially the ones who are saying that any card on the bench can get sniped. Claydol is brilliant in speed and spread decks. End of Story. Uxies are too liable to Power Sprayed, and it has 70 HP. Claydol is the better card. This was an interesting thread.
You keep saying this, but it's not exclusive to that at all. You already said it was good in those kind of decks, trying to narrow it down. But that's not true, it's good in almost everything, even decks that don't run it, or shouldn't run are still at plus if they do. I wouldn't consider Flygon a speed deck, or a spread deck at all, but I do believe that claydol is absolutely essential for it.
 
There are a few speed/spread decks that don't use Claydol. Gallade SP and Palkia lock are 2 of them.
Well SP decks are usually the exception to claydol right? I feel bad about this lol but since I don't like the feel of SP as a whole I'm not the best resource of knowledge for them, even though I know Lady Gaga is the deck to play right now.
 
Most SP should be playing Claydol. I don't have any experience with Gallade, but Palkia is the only true exception to this rule. Dialga, Luxray, Blaziken, Garchomp, Infernape, and any combination of them should be running at least a 1-1 Claydol. You're already running Bebe's, and (should be running) Calls to get Basics. Why you wouldn't play a consistent source of draw is beyond me.
 
Most SP should be playing Claydol. I don't have any experience with Gallade, but Palkia is the only true exception to this rule. Dialga, Luxray, Blaziken, Garchomp, Infernape, and any combination of them should be running at least a 1-1 Claydol. You're already running Bebe's, and (should be running) Calls to get Basics. Why you wouldn't play a consistent source of draw is beyond me.
Oh, lol, I thought through the combination of conspiracy, sp radar, and an uxie it was enough. So claydol is used even more than I thought. This arguement's pretty one sided then.
 
galade should not run claydol. i can vouch for that.

i think most SP decks do just fine without claydol. there's not much i ever see myself needing that i can't just get myself with a good cyrus...

dialga/garchomp is the one SP deck that needs it though. SP. metals are too hard to pass up.
 
What particular reason is there for Gallade to not run claydol as apossed to other SP decks?
 
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