Tobi's a good boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ColdCoates90
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Instead of using actual references?
I really hope the next chapter doesn't revolve around Madara and Saske again. The last one was basically exactly what we just heard 2 chapters ago.
Sandslash7
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True.
Itachi having a girlfriend is kinda new though...
Plus, now Sasuke is:
1. Away from Madara.
2. Free of the cursed seal.
Itachi having a girlfriend is kinda new though...
Plus, now Sasuke is:
1. Away from Madara.
2. Free of the cursed seal.
EeveeLover929
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Since no one else was polite enough to answer your question here...
You know how Kakashi keeps going back the the KIA memorial stone thingy? Well, that's because his friend and former teammate, Obito Uchiha, is on that stone. See, Obito was the Naruto to Kakashi's Sasuke. They were on the same Genin team and the same Chunin team. In the Kakashi Gaiden special inbetween parts one and two, Kakashi, who had just become a Jonin, was assigned to lead the team, which was him, Obito, and Rin (relationship wise, if Kakashi was Sasuke and Obito was Naruto, then Rin was Sakura, a fairly useless medic with a crush on Kakashi and who Obito had a crush on), while Yondaime was out in a major battle (obviously before he became Hokage). During the mission, Rin got captured in a fight, and Obito wanted to go back and rescue her while Kakashi wanted to go on and finish the mission. They went their separate ways, Obito got his butt kicked whle at the same time activating his Sharingan, but Kakashi rushed in and saved Obito's life, though he got hit in the left eye with a kunai because of it. They went together to try and save Rin, a really awesome fight scene broke out, and the ninja who captured her decided to cause the cave they were hiding in to collapse. Obito knocked Kakashi out of the way of a very large rock to save him and his entire right side got crushed. Because he was sure he was going to die, he told Rin to transplant his good eye into Kakashi's now useless eye socket, hence how Kakashi got his Sharingan. He then used it to be able to see where the heck he was going when he went super fast as he is so prone to do and take a very electric Chidori based revenge in his friend's name.
And that's Obito in thirty seconds. Oh, and the fact that Obito is Tobi =P.
Sandslash7
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Um... but he's not.
There is no evidence for it.
Lol I've said this like 3 times... :lol::lol:
V_For_Vendetta
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There is absolutely nothing you can really post on here that gives any evidence whatsoever for Tobi=Obito. The closest thing I see to evidence is that Mandara only shows one eye, which is the only eye Obito had left.
And if you honestly say Tobi=Obito because their name sounds similar, you just FAIL.
And if you honestly say Tobi=Obito because their name sounds similar, you just FAIL.
Agreed. The name similarity is not good enough.
You know what else?? Yondaime was really..JIRAIYA'S LOVE CHILD!! =O
Shocking right? Oh, wait.. I made that up, silly me.
Unless something is set in stone, I don't see the point of bringing it up. Here's what we know so far of Tobi, and that's what we should keep it to.
-Has Personality/Mood Changes between his appearances with Sasuke and Naruto.
-Calls himself Madara and knows everything about the Uchiha clan and Itachi's Uchiha massacre.
-Is 'supposedly' missing an eye, the same one Obito would still have if he were alive.
-Besides Pein, he is the true leader of the Akatsuki.
-Has the ability to 'teleport' and make his own body transparent through the use of his space/time ability.
-In one of the flashbacks, we see MADARA(not Tobi at all) wearing a mask with one eye hole, that could indicate strongly against the Obitobi theory. It's two chapters ago I believe, it's Madara's appearance in a mask with one eye hole and a different mask than Tobi's currently.
-Helped with the Uchiha massacre.
-Knows a lot of Konoha history, indicating he's quite old.
-Itachi did not want Sasuke and Tobi to meet, and thus implanted his Amaterasu inside of Sasuke.
Shocking right? Oh, wait.. I made that up, silly me.
Unless something is set in stone, I don't see the point of bringing it up. Here's what we know so far of Tobi, and that's what we should keep it to.
-Has Personality/Mood Changes between his appearances with Sasuke and Naruto.
-Calls himself Madara and knows everything about the Uchiha clan and Itachi's Uchiha massacre.
-Is 'supposedly' missing an eye, the same one Obito would still have if he were alive.
-Besides Pein, he is the true leader of the Akatsuki.
-Has the ability to 'teleport' and make his own body transparent through the use of his space/time ability.
-In one of the flashbacks, we see MADARA(not Tobi at all) wearing a mask with one eye hole, that could indicate strongly against the Obitobi theory. It's two chapters ago I believe, it's Madara's appearance in a mask with one eye hole and a different mask than Tobi's currently.
-Helped with the Uchiha massacre.
-Knows a lot of Konoha history, indicating he's quite old.
-Itachi did not want Sasuke and Tobi to meet, and thus implanted his Amaterasu inside of Sasuke.
Muk Man
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Like i said the fact that obito was nerev introduced in the anime means that he is not a major character and has nothing to do with the plot line. so until he is introduce. he can't be.
My theory is that he has a time space jutsu that lets him travel, which is how he escaped the bugs.
remember if he had simply ran away...
the bugs would have followed him.
It also explains how he got to sauske, and how he got the bodies out of there so fast
remember the guy said... "I Can't travel at the speed of light like you can"
which means TOBI is not OBITO
My theory is that he has a time space jutsu that lets him travel, which is how he escaped the bugs.
remember if he had simply ran away...
the bugs would have followed him.
It also explains how he got to sauske, and how he got the bodies out of there so fast
remember the guy said... "I Can't travel at the speed of light like you can"
which means TOBI is not OBITO
Muk Man
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yes i know this already... but the kakashi gaiden special which takes place before the time jump, has not been done in the anmie.
as far as i know every episode of the manga has been in the anmie because it has the same BASIC plotline. of course the anmie has fillers but the fillers never stray far from the main plot.
THEREFORE if the anmie could and in fact did skip over the Kakashi gaiden special it means that there was nothing of importance in the chapters.
we know of everything in the special through the regular episodes episodes except kakashis group member's names. Why hasen't this info come out???
Because it's not important to the plotline at all. Way back in the first episodes ochi says something to kakashi about how he got his eye, then in the fight against deidara we see kakashi's eye is fully developed, how???? probably from seeing his best friend killed, and by him feeling responsable for the death, those two things "Might" have meet the requirements, and if they did it would prove obitio is truely dead. and in conclusion could not be tobi
Lol, your beginning to lose whatever sense you had initially made in the first place. The anime is a direct translation of the manga in colored/viewing form aka television. The manga and the anime are of course as you cannot tell; the EXACT same story line. Fillers are nothing, they are only inserted in between major events so that the anime doesn't go faster than the manga. The same thing happens in nearly all 100+ episode anime series. Now what exactly happens to those who don't read the Naruto manga? They have no idea of the Kakashi gaiden arc, right? Well, since they are the same story(thus far), if the Kakashi gaiden was so important, they would have included it. Since it's not in we can only conclude it has no relevance to the rest of the series; or perhaps, they might throw it in later on somewhere.
ColdCoates90
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Thats not entirely true Rocky. They differ in the ways certain things work but more or less do exactly what the manga did. A good example of this is when they explained the Inner Gates and the Lotus moves.
In the fillers they'll sometime gain new moves that aren't see in the manga as well, like Hinata and the bug arc.
In the fillers they'll sometime gain new moves that aren't see in the manga as well, like Hinata and the bug arc.
Sandslash7
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Plus, Rockey, right now, the anime is baloney.
I can't stand to watch it any more. my reasons:
1. It's in filler. (they don't need filler, see 2)
2. It's moving so slowly, that they would take 2 years at 2x the rate to catch up to the manga. (that was a guess, eqs below)
From my calculations, the Anime is stuck between 312 and 313 of the Manga. That gives them almost 90 chapters to work with.
At the snail's pace of 1 chapter per show, They will always stay this far behind the manga.
If they increase the rate to 2 Chapters/show, they will catch up in ~90 episodes. (this is counting how much the manga travels ahead during the production of the anime.) So far, there have been 60 Shippuden episodes, and the show has gone on for about 1year and 4 months. With that in mind, we can extrapolate out the rest of the episodes. Starting now, they could catch up in just under 2 years. This is a huge amount of time, and will not in any way threaten the Mangaka so that they have to do filler. It is quite possible that in that time Masashi Kishimoto may decide to end the series, as it's starting to rev towards the end. In addition, a "season" in Anime and such is 26 episodes, so that is a good 2+1/2 seasons more of Anime.
I just don't see what the Anime director's problem is.... If they continue to put in filler and stretch the series out, they will lose veiwers, simple as that.
I can't stand to watch it any more. my reasons:
1. It's in filler. (they don't need filler, see 2)
2. It's moving so slowly, that they would take 2 years at 2x the rate to catch up to the manga. (that was a guess, eqs below)
From my calculations, the Anime is stuck between 312 and 313 of the Manga. That gives them almost 90 chapters to work with.
At the snail's pace of 1 chapter per show, They will always stay this far behind the manga.
If they increase the rate to 2 Chapters/show, they will catch up in ~90 episodes. (this is counting how much the manga travels ahead during the production of the anime.) So far, there have been 60 Shippuden episodes, and the show has gone on for about 1year and 4 months. With that in mind, we can extrapolate out the rest of the episodes. Starting now, they could catch up in just under 2 years. This is a huge amount of time, and will not in any way threaten the Mangaka so that they have to do filler. It is quite possible that in that time Masashi Kishimoto may decide to end the series, as it's starting to rev towards the end. In addition, a "season" in Anime and such is 26 episodes, so that is a good 2+1/2 seasons more of Anime.
I just don't see what the Anime director's problem is.... If they continue to put in filler and stretch the series out, they will lose veiwers, simple as that.
Sandslash, you are an minority. The majority of the people watching the cartoon doesn't know that those episodes are filler. So they are content with it.
Honestly, I don't see the big problem with filler. I guess people just want every episode to have someone learn a new technique or die. They can't have a few episodes where people don't advance the story line.
Honestly, I don't see the big problem with filler. I guess people just want every episode to have someone learn a new technique or die. They can't have a few episodes where people don't advance the story line.
EeveeLover929
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Well, I see it like this. First of all, everything in manga, which is the original and truest version of a manga/anime pair barring a few cases, is always to be considered canon, no matter what the anime does. Secondly, OF COURSE Kakashi Gaiden is important. It explains a thousand things that people who only watch the anime and don't read the manga are probably still incredibly confused about (I don't know, I don't pay attention to the anime anymore). It explains a) where Kakashi got his Sharingan and b) more depth of why he's always visiting the KIA Memorial thing. But most importantly, it gives Kakashi more backstory, and backstory is ALWAYS significant to a character's place in the plot. And beyond that, there are a number of different deeper things I've noticed. Take, for instance, the relationship between Obito and Kakashi. It is almost exactly the same as was Naruto and Sasuke's, and for that matter, was the same with Jiraiya and Orochimaru too.
Kakashi Gaiden is very important, and gods know why they didn't include it. They probably thought it would've made a better special, movie, or possibly even spin-off (thank the gods that didn't happen, can't stand anime spin-offs) than if they were to include it in the anime itself, then decided against it (or not... *imagines possibilities*), but were too late to include it before Shippuden stopped. And now they're just waiting for a good opportunity to slip in a long flashback for Kakashi which is basically Kakashi Gaiden, heck, maybe even as a filler.
Kakashi Gaiden is very important, and gods know why they didn't include it. They probably thought it would've made a better special, movie, or possibly even spin-off (thank the gods that didn't happen, can't stand anime spin-offs) than if they were to include it in the anime itself, then decided against it (or not... *imagines possibilities*), but were too late to include it before Shippuden stopped. And now they're just waiting for a good opportunity to slip in a long flashback for Kakashi which is basically Kakashi Gaiden, heck, maybe even as a filler.
Sandslash7
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You do have a point. I'm kinda OCD on watching/reading everything on whatever I'm into...
Though, It's not that I don't like filler, (Yes, I sat through all ~90 episodes of Naruto filler, and some was good) but it's not as meaty or driven as the main storyline.
However: take a look at the Sasori/Sakura+Chiyo or Naruto/Orochimaru fight. These most recent fights dragged on for ages, with multiple flashbacks to scenes already shown many times already. Now look at the Chuunin Exam arc. (any fight will do) These fights were as good as any, but they didn't last so freaking long. Honestly I got bored during the Orochimaru/Naruto fight. The Sakura and Chiyo fight was not as bad, but still horrendous, Plus the 10 episodes where Naruto and Kakashi run after Deidara. (same episodes as Sakuro+Chiyo but in diff. parts). I just think that it takes too long for anything to happen.
Maybe that's my perspective of knowing how long things last compared to the manga, but I still think that they could tighten the series and make it a whole lot better.
All I'm saying is that they could stick to manga-only story and still have plenty of Naruto left. I'd think that would make the series more enjoyable as a whole IMO.