i don't know if anyone suggested the idea of having the battle roads count for 0 championship points on this thread but i think it's a good idea. With no championship points less people have incentive to play in the event which is what the organizers want. No to mention it also makes battle roads a more friendly event for new players to enter.
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Where did you hear that? Every organizer I've talked to has wanted bigger attendance at all of their events from Battle Roads on up.
@espeon prof clay talks about battle roads and the little prize support intended for the attendance to be small in this post
lol. You realize that .5 points for first and .25 points for 2nd equates to exactly what the points system is now, right?
Politoed666
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See, here's the thing.
Evidently, NOT offering a Top 8 based on attendance isn't discouraging massive BRs. Like Diaz said, he had over 50 players at a BR. I doubt there would have been a whole lot more knowing there would be a Top 8 cut. It's stupid to oppose bigger cuts because they will boost attendance for what should be small events, when you just supported P!P increasing prize support and importance (point-wise) for those same events!
One of those things is just fair and makes sense.
The other I don't have a strong opinion on either way, but it definitely has a higher chance of increasing attendance.
If you supported raising prize support but oppose a bigger cut, your argument is probably invalid. Next?
Evidently, NOT offering a Top 8 based on attendance isn't discouraging massive BRs. Like Diaz said, he had over 50 players at a BR. I doubt there would have been a whole lot more knowing there would be a Top 8 cut. It's stupid to oppose bigger cuts because they will boost attendance for what should be small events, when you just supported P!P increasing prize support and importance (point-wise) for those same events!
One of those things is just fair and makes sense.
The other I don't have a strong opinion on either way, but it definitely has a higher chance of increasing attendance.
If you supported raising prize support but oppose a bigger cut, your argument is probably invalid. Next?
JandPDS
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The implementaton of the top cut cielings on Tourneys was done without any explanation at all. It has been assumed that it was becuase of rating points. But that is only an assumption as the decionmakers never gave any reasoning for the cileing. So you can not just argue that the cieling should go away just becuase Ranking points alone, no longer get you an invite to Worlds. The cieling could have been created for an entrely seperate reason that has nothing to do with ranking points.
I personally haven't attended any BR's this season for this reason.
Agree with ALL of the above!
YES, we want points. YES, we want to play. HUGE attendances may seem great...
I'm just really wondering... Will Battle Road attendances be as large this Spring?
If any player manages to 'max out' on Battle Road points this fall (it IS thoretically possible, given the 'best finish' thingy in Championship Points) will they really play in the spring?
I was at a Battle Road that ran out of seats, so the Jr.s played on the floor. (Not saying anything bad-matter of fact, I've never seen such a happy crew of Jrs! They were SOOOO excited!)The store owner said that in the past, there had only been at the most 20 people or so, and the 60 plus that came was his biggest tournament yet!
Seriously though.... how amny of us will still play in all the Spring battle roads? willyou go if you've already hit that 'best finish' limit?
Do the math. How many players in each age group could possibly have maxed out in any given area?
2?
4 at the most?
losjackal
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It seems to me the solution to this problem (mandated Top 4) as well as the other thread about "How they should have done Championship Points" is vegetalian's suggestion about awarding all of the players with a top cut-worthy record:
In a BR yesterday with 41 masters, we held 6 rounds. Normal tournament would have been Top 8, but it was changed to Top 4 due to mandate. We opened registration at 10:00am, and we left the building at 6:10pm, with a 45 minute lunch break. The tournament could hardly have run any faster...that's a long enough day for a Battle Roads, don't you think? So I can appreciate the need to artificially make it Top 4 instead of Top 8.
But what about players 5 through 8 in the final standings, who got gypped due to the mandate? Possibly reward them with a Championship Point too. Players 5 and 6 also had 5-1 records (no one was undefeated), and 7 and 8 were 4-2. So let players 5 and 6 walk away with a Point, while players 1-4 duke it out for the 2 points, the trophy cards, packs, and additional premier points which may help them in the end.
UPDATE: to be clear, perhaps I'm not endorsing vegetalian's complete suggestion, since we had 6 rounds but I'm not suggesting the 4-2's get any points. If so, that would have meant 8 more people (so top 14) would have merited at least one point. Out of 41, that seems like too much. So my proposal is that the other players who had the same record as 4th place get a point.
In a BR yesterday with 41 masters, we held 6 rounds. Normal tournament would have been Top 8, but it was changed to Top 4 due to mandate. We opened registration at 10:00am, and we left the building at 6:10pm, with a 45 minute lunch break. The tournament could hardly have run any faster...that's a long enough day for a Battle Roads, don't you think? So I can appreciate the need to artificially make it Top 4 instead of Top 8.
But what about players 5 through 8 in the final standings, who got gypped due to the mandate? Possibly reward them with a Championship Point too. Players 5 and 6 also had 5-1 records (no one was undefeated), and 7 and 8 were 4-2. So let players 5 and 6 walk away with a Point, while players 1-4 duke it out for the 2 points, the trophy cards, packs, and additional premier points which may help them in the end.
UPDATE: to be clear, perhaps I'm not endorsing vegetalian's complete suggestion, since we had 6 rounds but I'm not suggesting the 4-2's get any points. If so, that would have meant 8 more people (so top 14) would have merited at least one point. Out of 41, that seems like too much. So my proposal is that the other players who had the same record as 4th place get a point.
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Alazor
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Well, the thing is that there could be more local players who just go to Battle Roads, Leagues, anything preferably close and nothing else than players who go to as many battle roads to win one.
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