Top Cut Rules

[FunnyBear]

Jack and Joey were playing in a Cities in Top 4. Jack has 3 prizes left and Joey has six. At the end of turn 3 Joey is to play. If he KO's a Pokemon, he loses as 4 prizes will have been taken and he loses 3 prizes to 5. How does this make any sense?

He does not take a prize and the game goes to the new version of sudden death. If Joey takes a prize in sudden death he wins with 5 prizes to his opponent's 3.

What do other people think of these new top cut rules? How are these scenarios more sensible than the old rules where a new game was set up? How can an opponent win a game by reaching a losing situation like this? These new rules seem really stupid to me.

 

[PokePop]

Sorry, but I think someone was running Top Cut rules incorrectly.
Top Cut rules are the same that they have been for years now.

What exactly was the rule they were operating under?
Also, was this a Best of 3 match or a single game match?

 

[FunnyBear]

Best of 3 in Top 4. The table judge ruled that game 3 was not complete as 4 prizes had not been taken. The game had to go to sudden death with no re-setup. He ruled that the game had to continue and the next person to take a prize wins. I brought it to the head judge who concurred. The table judge seemed very certain that the rules had been changed recently and with the support of the HJ, I accepted it. Was all this wrong?

 

[LOLZ]

Best of 3 in Top 4. The table judge ruled that game 3 was not complete as 4 prizes had not been taken. The game had to go to sudden death with no re-setup. He ruled that the game had to continue and the next person to take a prize wins. I brought it to the head judge who concurred. The table judge seemed very certain that the rules had been changed recently and with the support of the HJ, I accepted it. Was all this wrong?

Well there is your first problem... Sudden Death is not next prize wins.

The rules of what a Sudden Death game is is in the rulebook... Sudden Death is both players set up a brand new game and set out 1 prize card instead of six. Calling an active game that is playing till next prize "Sudden Death"... IS WRONG.

Go Here-

http://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/about/tournaments-rules-and-resources/

Click-

"Play! Pokemon TCG Rules and Formats"

Read Section 9.3

If you don't understand what this section means, please reply with what you don't understand.

 

[PokePop]

If one player had taken more prizes than the other in a Top Cut game, unless ONE of the players has not drawn 4 prizes in the second game (not both players totalling up to 4 drawn), then that player wins.
If neither player has drawn 4 or more prizes in the second game (SECOND GAME ONLY), then that second game does not count and the winner of the first game wins.
If it is the first or third game, then whichever player is ahead in prizes wins.
This is for Top Cut elimination only because there are no ties in Top Cut.

 

[FunnyBear]

So not only was Sudden Death not done correctly, but the game should never have gone to Sudden Death in the first place. The player with 3 prize cards left to his opponent's 6 should just have won at the end of Turn 3.

 

[LOLZ]

So not only was Sudden Death not done correctly, but the game should never have gone to Sudden Death in the first place. The player with 3 prize cards left to his opponent's 6 should just have won at the end of Turn 3.

It is not a matter of Sudden Death being done correctly... it is a matter of Sudden Death not being needed at all... as well as "Next prize wins" also not being needed.


Correct- In Game 3 of Best 2 of 3... the player who is ahead on prizes at the end of turn 3 wins the match.