corypoke2
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Pokegym,
Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread...good discussion and generally useful. To recap, I was thinking through the situations where Dialga G Lv.X's ability to shut off bodies is most useful. What are the most useful Poke-bodies in use in the format? How do you play against the body if you don't play Dialga G Lv.X? Here's the summary...not ranked because I don't want to get in a debate about whose poke-body is biggest:
1) Mewtwo Lv.X - SP or basic heavy decks have a near auto-loss here. Alternatives to Dialga G would be to run a tech evolve line, Warp/Luxray GL-X, Infernapr SP to force switch, Snipe, other?
2) Nidoqueen - Ability to heal all Pokes between turns is really nice. Alternative to Dialga G is just to hit harder or use status effects to negate the effect?
3) AMU bodies - Downer, no weakness, free retreat. Nice to shut these off with Dialga G. Alternative is probably just to focus on killing the pixie they only have one of in play with snipe.
4) Machamp Lx.X body makes it hit +60. Shutting this body off on their turn then Poketurning the Dialga G is a nice trick. Alternative to Dialga G is probably warp/LuxrayG to bring something else up.
5) Glaceon Lv.X body shuts off all powers. This is a huge ability in the format but the downside is that he GlaceonX has to be active and it doen't have cheap attacks or high enough hit points. You can play around GlaceonX with Warp point, Luxray GL or just hit hard and wait it out.
6) Tyranitar SF - Pokebody does dark energy acceleration from the discard pile. Not used a tremendous amount
7) Sceptile GE - Pokebody doubles each grass energy...a very nice pokebody that isn't played a huge amount because generally grass decks are a bit slow in the format and Sceptile is another Stage 2 to build.
8) Cherrim - Pokebody is basically a pluspower for Grass and Fire types. Since Cherrim doesn't do much else, most players choose bench space over Cherrim.
9) Abomasnow - Body reduces attack damage (to Abomasnow) by 20...a nice body that keeps Abomasnow around an extra turn usually.
10) Flygon RR - Body give free retreat if an energy attached to Flygon matches the type of the active. This is an extemely important body for high retreat cost attackers and hard to play around without DialgaG X.
11) Ampharos PT - Body shuts off powers if the Pokemon has any damage. This seems so powerful but noone has managed to really use it effectively yet. This one can be played around by emphasizing "coming into play" powers (e.g. Uxie vs. Claydol), poketurn to remove damage, and healing.
12) Ampharos SW - Body puts a damage counter on each of the opponent's Pokemon whenever the opponent plays a supporter. Similar comments to the PT Amphy...seems like this should be played more. High retreat cost is a big drawback along with it being a stage 2 without a big attack.
13) Manectic PL - Body protects bench from snipe. This can be extremely important for bench sitting Lv.Xs (Alakazam 4 X, Cresselia X) against Flygon. Luxray GL X is a good workaround if you don't want to play DialgaG X.
What other bodies are out there in frequent use that make people consider Dialga G X?
-Cory
Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread...good discussion and generally useful. To recap, I was thinking through the situations where Dialga G Lv.X's ability to shut off bodies is most useful. What are the most useful Poke-bodies in use in the format? How do you play against the body if you don't play Dialga G Lv.X? Here's the summary...not ranked because I don't want to get in a debate about whose poke-body is biggest:
1) Mewtwo Lv.X - SP or basic heavy decks have a near auto-loss here. Alternatives to Dialga G would be to run a tech evolve line, Warp/Luxray GL-X, Infernapr SP to force switch, Snipe, other?
2) Nidoqueen - Ability to heal all Pokes between turns is really nice. Alternative to Dialga G is just to hit harder or use status effects to negate the effect?
3) AMU bodies - Downer, no weakness, free retreat. Nice to shut these off with Dialga G. Alternative is probably just to focus on killing the pixie they only have one of in play with snipe.
4) Machamp Lx.X body makes it hit +60. Shutting this body off on their turn then Poketurning the Dialga G is a nice trick. Alternative to Dialga G is probably warp/LuxrayG to bring something else up.
5) Glaceon Lv.X body shuts off all powers. This is a huge ability in the format but the downside is that he GlaceonX has to be active and it doen't have cheap attacks or high enough hit points. You can play around GlaceonX with Warp point, Luxray GL or just hit hard and wait it out.
6) Tyranitar SF - Pokebody does dark energy acceleration from the discard pile. Not used a tremendous amount
7) Sceptile GE - Pokebody doubles each grass energy...a very nice pokebody that isn't played a huge amount because generally grass decks are a bit slow in the format and Sceptile is another Stage 2 to build.
8) Cherrim - Pokebody is basically a pluspower for Grass and Fire types. Since Cherrim doesn't do much else, most players choose bench space over Cherrim.
9) Abomasnow - Body reduces attack damage (to Abomasnow) by 20...a nice body that keeps Abomasnow around an extra turn usually.
10) Flygon RR - Body give free retreat if an energy attached to Flygon matches the type of the active. This is an extemely important body for high retreat cost attackers and hard to play around without DialgaG X.
11) Ampharos PT - Body shuts off powers if the Pokemon has any damage. This seems so powerful but noone has managed to really use it effectively yet. This one can be played around by emphasizing "coming into play" powers (e.g. Uxie vs. Claydol), poketurn to remove damage, and healing.
12) Ampharos SW - Body puts a damage counter on each of the opponent's Pokemon whenever the opponent plays a supporter. Similar comments to the PT Amphy...seems like this should be played more. High retreat cost is a big drawback along with it being a stage 2 without a big attack.
13) Manectic PL - Body protects bench from snipe. This can be extremely important for bench sitting Lv.Xs (Alakazam 4 X, Cresselia X) against Flygon. Luxray GL X is a good workaround if you don't want to play DialgaG X.
What other bodies are out there in frequent use that make people consider Dialga G X?
-Cory
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