TRUK Engine

[fchangus2]

OMG, this is just getting too silly... as it has been stated by members of team HB many times, the original TRUK deck was the Rampardo deck developed by TRUK. I think what they realized is that the trainer engine in that deck is one that can be put into other decks and is superior in their opinion. So the trainer engine from the original TRUK deck was used to make up all the other TRUK decks (moving TRUK, etc).

Should they keep it a secret? Absolutely! If their trainer engine is truly superior than any others that people have come up with, it will give them an advantage in the upcoming cities before it gets leaked. People are just getting annoyed because these decks have won BRs and the TRUK engine is being touted in a very secretive way in the BR reports.

I would recommend that instead of trying to find out what the TRUK engine is, come up with your own creative ideas with the current trainers and test them. For all we know, the TRUK engine could be running 4 Pokedex Handys or PokeNavs? Who knows, try it out!

PS: by the way, I am in no way associated with Team HB and know nothing about the TRUK engine. I am just speaking based on the information that I have read on these forums

 

[lolganium]

This TRUK joke really is quite dumb imo.

so's kricetune, but there you go, it still got an article :tongue:

[i hate hurricane:thumb:]

 

[The_Lorax]

so\'s kricetune, but there you go, it still got an article :tongue:

[i hate hurricane:thumb:]

I was sooo close to calling you awesome
But then I read the final part of ur post...

Every time I see a player demand the list to a deck from another player from now on, I am going to call them a N00B
These people developed, tested, and made their own decks so that they would work, why cant everyone else do the same?
Quit your whining, you have no right to their decklist. Grow up and make your OWN bloody decks.

BTW, Pickup TRUK rules :thumb:

 

[lolganium]

I was sooo close to calling you awesome
But then I read the final part of ur post...

Every time I see a player demand the list to a deck from another player from now on, I am going to call them a N00B
These people developed, tested, and made their own decks so that they would work, why cant everyone else do the same?
Quit your whining, you have no right to their decklist. Grow up and make your OWN bloody decks.

BTW, Pickup TRUK rules :thumb:

do i type like i want a kricketune list? or a hurricane list?

let me clear this up you fool; i don't consider kricetune a competetive deck (even if i can't spell it), and i couldn't give a flying giraffes what old maytee's hurricane list is. i don't think hurricane is any good, understand me.

now go get a life

[i hate hurricane:thumb:]

 

[The_Lorax]

do i type like i want a kricketune list? or a hurricane list?

let me clear this up you fool; i don\'t consider kricetune a competetive deck (even if i can\'t spell it), and i couldn\'t give a flying giraffes what old maytee\'s hurricane list is. i don\'t think hurricane is any good, understand me.

now go get a life

[i hate hurricane:thumb:]

The guy overreacting to a post of mine on a Pokemon Trading Card Website is calling me, a member of the US Air Force a loser
Oh so much irony can be found here...

And BTW, the Craig family says Hurricane is competative
Since they are better players than you will ever be in your life, I think I shall listen to them

And just for Anthoy, Candy TRUK is not a deck
PLZ can someone explain this to him?

 

[Tagrineth]

Tagrineth not telling people an engine gives an advantage to you so you have better chances at tournaments.

Of course, I could be wrong, but you can only tell me that after you've won worlds. Deal? =D

I freakin' get it, alright? I get it. Read my previous post. I get the whole "KEEP INFORMATION TO WIN" concept you guys rave about. But it's bad for the health of the game as a whole to pull crap like this. It's bad for the community. You might not see it because you're part of the 'in' crowd but it's extremely hard for people outside the 'elite circle' to even TRY to do well at tournaments because nobody will freakin' help us bring decks up to that kind of level. I'm not even talking about 'every idiot who plays the CCG' either, but you probably don't get that either.

But then again this community is full of immature whiners who only want to win themselves and don't want the community to grow and advance.

And you'll never understand that, I suppose... as noted by your "win worlds" tagline every tard that defends this attitude uses. I don't care about winning worlds a whole lot, I'd just like to know that if I actually spend the money to travel and enter tournaments that I might do remotely well. The last one I entered I went 1-4 with a deck that did awesome locally and I didn't see any reason at the time to change it and nobody offered any help on the board other than of course complete deck conversions (especially using cards I don't have any access to short of spending too much money on singles). This compared to the RS-TRR season where I hit top 8 at one City and 9th at another because people were actually HELPFUL to other players instead of telling them to go hug a tree every time they suggest the community open up once in a while.

I just feel extremely discouraged and find myself not wanting to attend tournaments for this game, despite loving it and considering it one of the best CCGs I've ever played. ****, I just got 4 boxes of mysterious treasures to mess with cards and build decks and trade for stuff. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way, I'm just probably one of the few who is bold enough to say something about it.

 

[The_Lorax]

My appologies if my post seems rude Tagrineth

Pokemon players such as TRUK and APT spent a great deal of time working on and testing their decks, making them as close to perfect as they can possibly get them.
And after all this work, they go to tournoments, and often achieve significant results (Jeremy won worlds :thumb

Let us imagine that they did as you suggested, and posted their decks on the gym during a season when they still worked
Now everyone has a viable working deck that they didnt spend a great deal of time testing

A. This is bad for the game. People work best when testing something original that THEY designed, not when stealing a random list on the gym.
Posting lists would kill creativity, as the people on the gym would simply use these decks rather than there own because 1337 players posted them

B. What would have been the point of all that time spent testing then?
Spend hours upon hours of testing just to throw the entire list on the gym? Thats ubsurd

C. Why cant these people do the same?
If people such as LaFonte and Team R can work together to create powerful decks, why cant other people do the same, rather than clamor for other people\'s lists

In short, if Jeremy were to post all of the TRUKs on the gym, he would be robbing other players of their chance to post their own deck

As such, i hereby applaud Jeremy for not posting, and keeping originality in the game
You truely are the champ :thumb:.

 

[Tagrineth]

The creativity argument really is bunk, but since people won't allow the game to advance like most do, you'll never see it actually happen.

The people who are creative to begin with and come up with new deck ideas will do so regardless whether information on archetypes or on construction is public or private.

Yes there will be more net decks, but this is the most staunchly anti-netdeck community of all CCGs and it's really quite comedic how paranoid this community is over 'netdecking'. Who freakin' cares? Seriously, why is it such a colossal big deal? I'm tempted to quote Unifiedshoe on this for the fourth or fifth time but none of you read it the first three times so screw it.

If the community was more open and shared ideas more, you wouldn't have to spend as much time just testing and testing and testing because people would share concepts with one another and actually help other peoples' decks become stronger, GOD FORBID!

Keep in mind there's one big difference between "LaFonte" and "Team R"... and "other people". LaFonte and Team R are two examples of teams filled with many of the best players in the world. "other people" is just some playgroup from some city. How can you compare those? Do you really think the "other people" group has any real shot at creating anything on the same level as "team ____" comprised of people who qualified for Worlds last year?

Oh well, that last post showed how clearly you don't understand my argument at all anyway so...

 

[The_Lorax]

Understand your arguement?
What separates the average person from the level of skill of players such as Levi or Ness?

Intelegence? I can wholey say that i am a very intelegent person, and i dont have half the skill that they do.

Creativity? That award goes to the little ones I am afraid, the kids who can somehow throw a deck together with a 1-4-2 line of Empoleon and make it work.

Dedication? Perhaps, they do seemingly spend a great deal of time working with decks, but not all players who are great do.
Many of these people are in college, and thus dont have as much extra time to spend as many High School people do.

So what is it? Why cant these Begfriends who ask for these list make their own decks?
Why must the good players spoon feed them what they must play?

You are quite right, I am afraid your arguement is beyond me...

 

[therage]

Understand your arguement?
What separates the average person from the level of skill of players such as Levi or Ness?

Intelegence? I can wholey say that i am a very intelegent person, and i dont have half the skill that they do.

Creativity? That award goes to the little ones I am afraid, the kids who can somehow throw a deck together with a 1-4-2 line of Empoleon and make it work.

Dedication? Perhaps, they do seemingly spend a great deal of time working with decks, but not all players who are great do.
Many of these people are in college, and thus dont have as much extra time to spend as many High School people do.

So what is it? Why cant these Begfriends who ask for these list make their own decks?
Why must the good players spoon feed them what they must play?

You are quite right, I am afraid your arguement is beyond me...

you definitley have a nice way with words

 

[The_Lorax]

you definitley have a nice way with words

Thank you

 

[lolganium]

The guy overreacting to a post of mine on a Pokemon Trading Card Website is calling me, a member of the US Air Force...

the moment U and S came into it, i lost interest. i'm a 2nd dan black in taekwon-do, and 1st dan black belt in kickboxing, and 2 times british kickboxing champion. but i have no life. about this crain family thing; why can't you decide whats good for yourself?

 

[The_Lorax]

the moment U and S came into it, i lost interest. i\'m a 2nd dan black in taekwon-do, and 1st dan black belt in kickboxing, and 2 times british kickboxing champion. but i have no life. about this crain family thing; why can\'t you decide whats good for yourself?

Taekwondo isnt even fighting dude (no offence), its silly
Go see the taekowndo world championship matches, the guys are fixing their uniforms in the middle of their matches

Kickboxing is impressive, GJ
If i had known you were British, i wouldnt have even bothered with the arguement =/

 

[Scizor]

Tagrineth - Once there's more in-game skill for pokemon and less luck, I think you'd see more decks released to the public by the game's greatest deckbuilders. But, since this isn't Magic: The Gathering, you're just not ever going to see decks everywhere. It is a distinct advantage, and basically the only advantage the great players of the game have to not release their decks. And don't even think about giving me the old, "great players can beat their own deck" speech, because it's honestly a complete load of garbage. Deckbuilding and knowing how your deck operates is one thing that separates great players from others, and that's not going to change.

 

[Bolt]

Keep in mind there's one big difference between "LaFonte" and "Team R"... and "other people". LaFonte and Team R are two examples of teams filled with many of the best players in the world. "other people" is just some playgroup from some city.

I am honored.

 

[ToysRUsKid]

and yes. Luck is gonna be a great part of this format. More-so than past years. It's gonna be really sickening come Regionals/Nats.

Mark my words

 

[Articjedi]

You want decklists posted for your viewing, get pop to add that to their tourney policy. You can't moan on this board and expect people to change their minds and suddenly post their decks, you have to FORCE them.

 

[Kenshin's Garde]

So let's post decks we have been working on for WEEKS so that people, who have looked at a deck for maybe a minute or so, can play it. =/ Not only does this defeat the purpose of actual testing, you would be ASKING for mirror matches EVERYWHERE. While this game does involve some skill, a lot of it has to do with luck. Mirror matches prove this well enough. In addition, you basically give away your strategy and what you will be playing. Imagine the US Army's attack on Doomsday, and, since they want to be fair, give their plans to the Axis powers. Or how about a company just gives away their product to other companies BEFORE they market it? Yup, those sound like TERRIFIC plans. =/

 

[lolganium]

Taekwondo isnt even fighting dude (no offence), its silly
Go see the taekowndo world championship matches, the guys are fixing their uniforms in the middle of their matches

Kickboxing is impressive, GJ
If i had known you were British, i wouldnt have even bothered with the arguement =/

you don't know traditional taekwon-do. and it's spelt with a '-'.

Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

i've benn trying to fin video's of our lot winning the TKD worlds in birmingham, but there ain't many good ones;

heres a friend of mine and a 7th dan master have a mess aound match;
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MH24KbQNUc

heres some fights at worlds (i don't know who these guys are);
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdBz2uRmVj4

heres *** taekwon-do (not traditional);
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFChuY5Tfp4
not the most exciting thing ever

but there is some good ***;
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s45unQ_L1AY

hope this clears that up.


on topic, i think it's like most things where they just do it to make it look cool. get wat im sayin innit?

[i hate hurricane:thumb:]

 

[Rocket_Spenser]

honestly, net-decking is really obsolete. There are enough good players who are willing to help make changes to a list a less experienced player posts. It doesn't seem that so many are unwilling to help. My brother and i started playing again after 4 years and on our first tourney back, we got obliterated, but once you know the cards and the format it's not so difficult. All of the "secret decks" and the "Garbage TRUKs" (no offense. the decks are probably good, i just hate fads and nick-names) are just what people did to tweak a trainer engine around some decent pokemon. Pokemon is 20% deck and 80% how it is played. I'll never be able to play R-gon because i don't like it and it takes a substantial amount of thought. Someone can give me a good deck list, i can build it, and still go 1-4. you have to practice playing, and often!

I don't feel people should be sooooo secretive, but there's another side to that- help does not come from revealing your secrets but showing people how to work with what they've got.

And no offense, as it probably means something in the real world, but on Pokegym, we like pokemon. No one here cares about the US air force or kickboxing or whatever. Try kickboxing Infernape lvl. X... it doesn't work.