vanderbilt_grad
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Pop, you made me LOL. :lol:
My family and I have not been to Nats, and we were considering if we wanted to go to either Nats or Worlds this year. This news made my mind up for me. Nats all the way!
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Pop, you made me LOL. :lol:
My family and I have not been to Nats, and we were considering if we wanted to go to either Nats or Worlds this year. This news made my mind up for me. Nats all the way!
this has come up before: why does PUI schedule [insert event, usually worlds but this time us nats] to conflict with [other event]?
it's all due to the availability of the venue. they don't have a lot of leeway in scheduling dates, i'm sure.
not to mention that an early-june date for us nationals would almost surely conflict with school for many players, much more than a mid/late june one would.
'mom
it's all due to the availability of the venue. they don't have a lot of leeway in scheduling dates, i'm sure.
not to mention that an early-june date for us nationals would almost surely conflict with school for many players, much more than a mid/late june one would.
'mom
As one who didn't spend 100% of my time in the TCG-Pokemon area, I can say that Pokemon got tons of FREE publicity to serious gamers at Origins.
With Nats gone from a major Con, FREE publicity won't happen this time. So, to fill that publicity void, something will need to happen. Will non-Pokemon gamers/kids travel great distances to check out Pokemon Nats in St Louis? I doubt it.
Nevertheless, I expect this will provide a tremendous boost to Vince's already highly successful Pokemon efforts in the mid-west. That's one good thing.
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Come on Tom. I could say the same thing about Pokemon. You can play Pokemon any weekend.
Origins is more than just other games. Certainly, it's nothing like Essen or GenCon, but it still attracts some major events from other companies.
I'm not entirely opposed to this idea. One good thing that hopefully will come out of this move is "more time" to run more rounds. Heck, we could even make it a 2-day Swiss round event with best-of-3 matches, much like what WOTC did at their major events (SBZ and Worlds).
Finally, as much as I love Pokemon, I need diversity. 8-10 hours a day for 3-4 days of nothing but Pokemon is a bit overdoing it, at lease for me. I need variety. :smile:
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JandPDS
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There was NOTHING "FREE" about the publicity at Origins, everyone paid for that publicity at a cost of ^$60.00 a head for a badge.
I have never been to Nationals, as my family has always gone to Worlds instead, but this year we may go to Nationals, as this move is a fantastic idea.
UnstoppablePokeMomx4
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You're proving my point. Some people only go to Origins to play at Nationals. Others, like me, go to Nationals to also play at Origins. :tongue:
Plus, if you never went to Nationals before, then this really won't impact you. For others, it WILL have an impact.
By FREE, I mean PUI didn't have to pay anything above and beyond the normal rental fees. There was plenty of talk outside the TCG hall about how big Pokemon still is. Some of the Vendors also got major business from Pokemon players/collectors.
I know some PTOs and POP people don't have the greatest regards for GAMA, which I'm guessing is the primary reason for moving. There's a lack of confidence in GAMA.
I'm not convinced that all of the problems at Nationals last year were entirely GAMA's fault. Plus, the decision to split the masters and invite more players to Worlds was a very good thing, at least for the players.
Prof Clay
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We may have been recognized by the Convention goers as a game that isn't dead yet, but did we honestly pick up as many new players as we could at a FREE event where all the advertising is done specificly for that one event.
That is thing about Pokemon at Origins...the convention goers are not really our audience are they?
Besides...all the major CCG companies have moved out and run their own events now. Magic, Yugi-oh and now Pokemon all run their major events as stand alone events....
Origins needs Pokemon, but does Pokemon really need Origins?
P_A
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That's the same idea I was thinking. Thanks for pointing that out. Personally, I don't think Pokemon DOES need Origins. The event itself I believe will be much better off without them.
I think you should probably spell out John's fully name.
As a man, having a nickname of "Snip" gives me the willies.
Do you go to conventions? Granted, there are some who go to conventions only to play their game-of-choice. But, why pay $50-plus event fees just to do that when you can do the same at home or your friendly-local-game-store (FLGS)?
For convention goers, you go to 1) play your games, 2) investigate new games, 3) shop for toys, and 4) party with your friends. Half my enjoyment at Origins/Nats is now gone.
For companies, conventions are meant to 1) advertise/demo your product, 2) accommodate your old customers, and 3) attract new customers. #2 will be missing this year at Origins. Believe me, I went to GenCon one year and without a major Pokemon event, it just wasn't the same (though I highly enjoyed numerous other games including my son who was in Top4 Worlds for Lord of the Rings).
I went to GenCon Indy a few years ago. Too bad we can't go there for Nats/Worlds. That's a convention worth attending for ANY gamer.
ilikegengar
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Sounds good!
We love Nationals so moving the location is ok. I too liked the vendor hall at Origins. Perhaps this year Pokemon items can be offered for sale along with some theme decks for newcomers who want to play.
St. Louis is a nice central location. In my research I found that Phelps County, MO is the population center of the US, and the geographic center of the lower 48 is in Kansas.
see you in Missouri!
Prof Clay
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I used to attend Cons all the time as well as organize gaming events for small local ones. I know what cons offer to people who want it. There are many things I liked about Origins, but I can have those type of experiences here at our local cons or travel to Gen Con which is right now and has been for many years, the Mecca of Gaming Conventions
If you think that Origins attracts new customers to Pokemon, then we will have to disagree. As to accommodating Old customers, you and I are not the targeted market in the 1st place and I would hope you can agree that Origins is not extremely attractive to someone who is not already involved in gaming.
Agreed. Cons are for serious gamers. Generally, Pokemon players don't tend to be serious gamers, outside the Pokemon realm.
The marriage of Nats and Origins was ideal for me, personally. But, I can see that it means little or nothing to others who aren't so seriously into a broad range of gaming like me.
(Warning! dumb analogy follows...)
When dining out, I love the buffets. I sample everything and feast on my favorites. Origins/Nats was a buffet for me. :lol:
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Some of us found $50 per person for bad buffet food painful to swallow, but love getting the Steak for free!
But, if steak is all you ever eat, it would get old after a while. :tongue:
The reason buffet houses like Golden Corral do so well is because they serve steak in addition to all the other items. Certainly, their steak isn't as good as Texas Roadhouse, but then again, there's no one telling me that steak is the only item on the menu. :tongue:
Wow, you guys have graduation at an odd time. O.O Everyone I know has it at the end of May at the latest. Maybe it's a Missouri thing? lol
nope; commencement for the HSs here is on june 11.
'mom
'mom
Exactly Troy.....I agree since I live 20 minutes from you......
I am quite honestly extremely excited.....3 hours less for driving.......get to show my kids a new part of the country and city.......less expensive for hotels. I think Pop will have plenty for us to do between matches.
Worlds and Nationals have been such an incredible experience for us I can't imagine not attending. We only attended 2 Nats but had a blast at both and are ready for a new experience.
BTW Pop it would be nice to have something in the North
Someday. As long as Nats doesnt end up on the coasts and stays in the center of the U.S. moving it each year would be cool.Just my opinion
meganium45
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And Houston and Dallas are bucking for something from the South.
I will quietly be happy now.
Vince
I will quietly be happy now.
Vince
Actually, yes they do! As SteveP pointed out Pokemon should at least maintain a presence at Origins to serve its existing players and expose new players to the game.
The real question is "Does the Pokemon US National Championship need to be at Origins.
The answer is no. A National Championship TOURNAMENT is not the best vehicle to expose new players and grow the hobby. Organizing some events and League play at Origins would serve that purpose and PUI should support that to the extent they are able.
And they should do the same at Gen Con.
And the same at KublaKCon in SF.
And Orccon in LA. (Its full or evil Orcs anyway!* :tongue: )
Those that can't go to Nationals should grow the game where they are at! I'm sure there are several TOs and Profs who are not going to St Louis that can step into that role.
Make Lemonade as the old saying goes!
Marty
*(Northern Californian now transplanted to FL)
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