Uxie/Shuppet Donk: How Do You Tech Against SP's and Dialga G?
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Mach
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Dialga's T1 Deafen versus Shuppet/Uxie donk is probably as close to an autoloss as this game will ever get. All you can really do there is hope that they don't get the T1 Deafen, so you might be able to take an early lead. You probably can't win this way unless you get a donk, though, since once the Deafen lock starts, that's the end of your damage. Shuppet could probably tech something like Blaziken FB or Bannette PL to pressure the Dialga player into losing prizes, especially if you manage to Luring Flame a Claydol or some other high retreater. Bannette PL would let you place counters onto the Dialga, which could net you a surprise KO if they didn't get any Special Metals fast enough to prevent the last 10 damage from Fade Out. I think that Blaziken FB is probably your best bet, though.
SLOW DECK
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Regarding Dialga counters. Defean lock, no trainers really hurts, and there isn't any counter that easily fit's in.
As Uxie Double Donk creator... I couldn't figure out a solid counter to it, that didn't hurt my core build. Thus with my logic, I chose to pretend Dialga doesn't exist. Thus on my build, it isn't an auto loss, but I hope I can KO there starting lineup, hit on my cyrus initiative to fish out key cards out of there hand. Believe me, if there was a good counter simple counter to this I would do it.
My logic is too push the hard on the first turn all out carpet bomb, without techs that interfer with this. Hope I don't have to play them, and if I do, hope I can carpet bomb on first turn. Once the go Deafen Lock, GG.
The other option is don't be consistent with Shuppet Donk, mix up your deck choices. Shuppet or Uxie donk can work if you avoid the dialga's. I played my Double Donk first day of cities, and left it in the bag for the rest of them. My first game, I first turn TRIPLE Donked my opponent. I did make top cut with it, but I lost to Gastly starts by Gengar opponents. I can't do the TRIPLE donk without being dependent on trainers, can't beat dialga, gengar, spiritomb, if I am dependent on trainers. Shuppet Donk can do a bit better, but it can't consistently double donk.
There are creative "threat cards" such as torchic and multi energy, but a good player can defeat these threats. Swinub can flip for parylyze/sleep. But you need multi, and Poketurn easily defeats this. Again, nothing solid, and it hurts consistency.
As Uxie Double Donk creator... I couldn't figure out a solid counter to it, that didn't hurt my core build. Thus with my logic, I chose to pretend Dialga doesn't exist. Thus on my build, it isn't an auto loss, but I hope I can KO there starting lineup, hit on my cyrus initiative to fish out key cards out of there hand. Believe me, if there was a good counter simple counter to this I would do it.
My logic is too push the hard on the first turn all out carpet bomb, without techs that interfer with this. Hope I don't have to play them, and if I do, hope I can carpet bomb on first turn. Once the go Deafen Lock, GG.
The other option is don't be consistent with Shuppet Donk, mix up your deck choices. Shuppet or Uxie donk can work if you avoid the dialga's. I played my Double Donk first day of cities, and left it in the bag for the rest of them. My first game, I first turn TRIPLE Donked my opponent. I did make top cut with it, but I lost to Gastly starts by Gengar opponents. I can't do the TRIPLE donk without being dependent on trainers, can't beat dialga, gengar, spiritomb, if I am dependent on trainers. Shuppet Donk can do a bit better, but it can't consistently double donk.
There are creative "threat cards" such as torchic and multi energy, but a good player can defeat these threats. Swinub can flip for parylyze/sleep. But you need multi, and Poketurn easily defeats this. Again, nothing solid, and it hurts consistency.
Yeah i think Uxie/Shuppet donk has too many popular bad matchups (Gengar and Dialga are EVERYWHERE) in this metagame to truly take off as a legit, tier 1 deck.
Glisctomb suffers similar problems, but it has a little more outs to combat its problem matchups (SP) imo. Lol, if only SP wasn't so amazing...
Glisctomb suffers similar problems, but it has a little more outs to combat its problem matchups (SP) imo. Lol, if only SP wasn't so amazing...
Rainbowgym
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Perhaps a Gengar GL would be a nice tech against Dialga G.
Confuse the Dialga, which can buy you a turn or costs them a Poketurn/warp energy.
It needs 1 psychic nrg to do this.
Pachirisu to discard the energy Gain attached to Dialga?
Confuse the Dialga, which can buy you a turn or costs them a Poketurn/warp energy.
It needs 1 psychic nrg to do this.
Pachirisu to discard the energy Gain attached to Dialga?
NoPoke
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Pachirisu shouldn't work. After you dump their energy gain they still have a metal on the Dialga, so they just add another metal and your game ends.
Same trouble for Ambipom G: the Dialga player will guard the tank and you are left with nothing.
I've irritated a tanked Dialga with double poison but not enough to make it a viable strategy to deal with Dialga.
Same trouble for Ambipom G: the Dialga player will guard the tank and you are left with nothing.
I've irritated a tanked Dialga with double poison but not enough to make it a viable strategy to deal with Dialga.
Rainbowgym
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How will your game end when dialga keeps on using deafen, doing no damage to Pachirisu?
Unless they break the deafen lock they can't KO Pachirisu.
Unless they break the deafen lock they can't KO Pachirisu.
they simply do that until time is called(or rite before) then retreat dialga for something else to knock the pachi(as it wouldn't be too hard to save a few crobats/poke turns to get enough for an uxe to be able to
OHKO a pachi...)
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it would play out a lot like glistomb games...
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Box of Fail
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Gengar is not that bad of a matchup - getting a Gengar with 3 energies on it without dying is hard to do and very taxing on Gengar's overall setup, so the fact that Poltergeist does >9000 damage is moot when Mr. Mime is used correctly. Gengar can KO Uxies and Crobats, but once they're unable to pull out a Crobat at the right time (generally after 2 Shadow Room KOs), you can abuse Poké Turn, SSU, and Psychic Restore to deny Gengar prizes. Gastly is a pain in the behind, but it doesn't actually delay Shuppet very long... especially because early game you can double Crobat for the KO, and late game sac'ing a Gastly is a risky maneuver that also leaves a window of opportunity to put an Uxie under. Finally, one of Gengar's main perks, Fainting Spell, is totally useless against Shuppet.
DarthPika
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Poison will eventually kill you. So, you will die. It may take a while, but they will kill you with out ever breaking the lock.
Rainbowgym
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Ah the Skuntank, I forgot about that card being present.
Without giving up to much consistency, would 1-1 Xatu be an option?
The problem with Uxie donk, you don't want to have "different" pokemon in the deck.
If Dialga is the biggest problem I really would consider to look after a fire Pokemon to insert.
It's a choise between having an option to survive at the cost of consistency I think.
Without giving up to much consistency, would 1-1 Xatu be an option?
The problem with Uxie donk, you don't want to have "different" pokemon in the deck.
If Dialga is the biggest problem I really would consider to look after a fire Pokemon to insert.
It's a choise between having an option to survive at the cost of consistency I think.