Vileplume Boundries Crossed

[battleboy]

I was thinking about the Vileplume from Boundries Crossed a little while ago and I figured it might be a fun deck to mess around with and maybe even playable at tournaments. anyways i did not like the fact that the weakness multiplier was going to be x4 on my side too, so i thought i could throw levany in there just so i dont have to worry about the estra damage done to my side of the field. this pokemon outline needs to be tweaked alot to ever be a formidible deck, so i would like pokegymers to help me out.


Pokemon-16
3-2-3 Vileplume
3 Virizon
2 Rayquaza
2 Stunfisk
1 Mewtwo EX

T/S/S-19
4 N
4 Professor Juniper
2 Bianca
2 Skyla

4 Pokemon Catcher
3 Rare Candy

Energy-12
4 Prism Energy
2 Grass Energy
2 Lighning Energy
2 Fighting Energy
2 DCE

I was thinking virizon would be for its draw power and for keldeo and terrakion, rayquaza for other dragons, stunfisk for eels and darkrai, and mewtwo for mewtwo.

 

[CrystalEyeMonster]

The amount of clunk in this deck.
The deck CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT ITEMS.
Now that is done,

 

[Simwar]

I toyed a little around with it myself. However it seems to me that the deck will always lack of something for the generel consistency.
You have 21 Pokémon.
You need at least 12 energies to keep the energy flow going since you have no acceleration.

In this example you will be left with 27 trainers.
Most decks need at least 12 supporters. 15 item spaces left.
Since you have two different Stage 2 Pokémon that is very important for the deck to work you'll need 4 rare candy.
If your strategy is to KO eels with Stunfisk you should also have 4 catchers.
7 trainers left. To set up your Stage 2s and to get the right Pokémon for the given matchup you would also need some search Items.

After adding search Items I still feel like the deck is missing a lot for it to be consistent.
Overall I don't think Levany is worth the spot. Since the idea of this deck is to be prepared for several matchups, you won't be vulnerable to many things since you should only drop the Pokémon that will help you in this matchup. In addition to that most decks use EXs as attackers so you should be able to win the prize race if you can just get the KOs when needed.

I don't see this deck doing well at tournaments unless you only use about 2 types of Pokémon and get lucky to only face their matchups at a tournament

 

[Versatile Mew]

Catcher. But the deck is winning in Japan. Maybe were all on the wrong page xD

 

[psychup2034]

Catcher. But the deck is winning in Japan. Maybe were all on the wrong page xD

This deck isn't winning in Japan, relative to the tier 1 decks in the format. We have good sources that tell us this.

I understand that you're a new member (and you're a little younger in age, judging by the profile picture in your blog), but a word of advice: when you make things up on this forum, you will quickly lose a ton of respect. Just don't do it.

 

[Versatile Mew]

This deck isn't winning in Japan, relative to the tier 1 decks in the format. We have good sources that tell us this.

I understand that you're a new member (and you're a little younger in age, judging by the profile picture in your blog), but a word of advice: when you make things up on this forum, you will quickly lose a ton of respect. Just don't do it.

I am not new. I made a New Account. I have seen from Several Blogs Japense blogs that Vileplume is doing Ok. And Judging my age is really disrespectful.

 

[battleboy]

I will take out the levany in place of catcher and one extra spot.

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Do you guys think i should add one more pokemon and if so what should it be?

 

[psychup2034]

But the deck is winning in Japan.

I have seen from Several Blogs Japense blogs that Vileplume is doing Ok.

There's a big difference between "winning" and "doing ok." Rayeels and Darkrai EX-variants were winning at Regionals, whereas Garbodor and Ho-oh EX did okay.

---------- Post added 10/22/2012 at 07:18 PM ----------

And Judging my age is really disrespectful.

I was using your age as a possible explanation for why you would possibly be making things up (Example 1, Example 2). At the time, you had 8 posts, and 25% of those posts contained either a blatant lie or an exaggerated fact. I understand why you would want to be judged irrespective of your age, and I apologize for using your age in my judgment of your character. I was wrong. It doesn't matter what age you are: a lie is a lie. I shouldn't have tried to use your age as an excuse.

 

[Versatile Mew]

There's a big difference between "winning" and "doing ok." Rayeels and Darkrai EX-variants were winning at Regionals, whereas Garbodor and Ho-oh EX did okay.

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I was using your age as a possible explanation for why you would possibly be making things up (Example 1, Example 2). At the time, you had 8 posts, and 25% of those posts contained either a blatant lie or an exaggerated fact. I understand why you would want to be judged irrespective of your age, and I'm apologize for using your age in my judgment of your character. I was wrong. It doesn't matter what age you are: a lie is a lie. I shouldn't have tried to use your age as an excuse.

Example 1 is true, TCPI can't just not give us the cards. They must Resort to Mini Set. I will laugh at you when I am correct. Example 2 is my opinion, as you can see I put an xD. If I serious I would have just not put a xD. Sorry for my so "exaggerated fact" if you would like to call it that

 

[psychup2034]

Example 1 is true, TCPI can't just not give us the cards. They must Resort to Mini Set.

They could, for example, print those cards in our next set... :nonono:

You have no evidence that TPCi will release a mini set, yet you state your speculation as a fact. That's the definition of a lie.

 

[Versatile Mew]

They could, for example, print those cards in our next set... :nonono:

You have no evidence that TPCi will release a mini set, yet you state your speculation as a fact. That's the definition of a lie.

That would be a total screw up and could not be done. Just wait it out and you will see a Mini Set with those Trainer cards we did not get.

 

[psychup2034]

That would be a total screw up and could not be done. Just wait it out and you will see a Mini Set with those Trainer cards we did not get.

You stated that "Were getting a Mini Set with our missed cards that weren't in BC" in this post. Because you have no basis for your claim at this time, you will have presented a falsehood irrespective of whether a mini set ends up getting printed or not.

It is my request that you stop purporting your own speculation as fact, as people regularly come to these forums for news. The fact that you're misrepresenting information confuses people and makes yourself look ridiculous, as you can clearly tell from these responses to your post: Example 1, Example 2.

 

[solo59486]

That would be a total screw up and could not be done. Just wait it out and you will see a Mini Set with those Trainer cards we did not get.

Just because for the first time EVER in the pokemon history they decided to release a mini set doesn't mean they have to release a mini set for every card they hold back from a set... Also it doesn't make sense to even have a mini set dedicated to those cards anyways...

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@Battleboy I would switch the bianca's with Cheren's because from your list it doesn't look like you will be discarding anything to get your hand down below at least 6. Also you should add in poke comm. and level ball. about a 3-3 split if you want?

 

[Versatile Mew]

You stated that "Were getting a Mini Set with our missed cards that weren't in BC" in this post. Because you have no basis for your claim at this time, you will have presented a falsehood irrespective of whether a mini set ends up getting printed or not.

It is my request that you stop purporting your own speculation as fact, as people regularly come to these forums for news. The fact that you're misrepresenting information confuses people and makes yourself look ridiculous, as you can clearly tell from these responses to your post: Example 1, Example 2.

Its pointless to even be in this. For how old you are I would assume you be more Mature, to be fighting with a 13 year old as you call me. When your PM box is filled up on the day of the release of the Mini Set, its me.

 

[King Piplup]

Sigh...PM'ing you...

That would be a total screw up and could not be done. Just wait it out and you will see a Mini Set with those Trainer cards we did not get.

Do tell why this would "be a total screw-up" and "could not be done"? Lost World being held back a set is a great example of how it can and does happen. Same with Plume+line. Stop spreading your poorly founded rumor like its truth. You have absolutely no basis for these statements other than rumors from another forum that aren't worth more than the energy it took to type them out.

Its pointless to even be in this. For how old you are I would assume you be more Mature, to be fighting with a 13 year old as you call me. When your PM box is filled up on the day of the release of the Mini Set, its me.

Sorry to say, he's being plenty mature. You are spreading a false rumor that has absolutely no basis, and fail to see how you are the one in the wrong.

Threats also get you nowhere.

 

[Chompy]

This deck isn't winning in Japan, relative to the tier 1 decks in the format. We have good sources that tell us this.

I understand that you're a new member (and you're a little younger in age, judging by the profile picture in your blog), but a word of advice: when you make things up on this forum, you will quickly lose a ton of respect. Just don't do it.

There is some Vileplume variants I just haven't gotten to those blogs yet. "Common naming" means the general combo for a deck. Sometimes, most of the players don't report on what is all in the deck.

My point is that he did not cover the Vileplume decks. As soon as he finishes the spreadsheet, we will see how good the Vileplume deck actually is compared to the other winning decks. I am almost certain with the right list that Vileplume will come out as a tier 1 deck. Remember what happened with Chandelure last year how everyone thought he would be the worst card, but then he turned out to be the best decks in the cities format.

There were many other decks in the past that were hyped, but did not quite make it into the tier 1 metagame because of certain cards stopping in their tracks.

Salamence Lv. X: One of the most hyped decks from Arceus because of drawing 2 prize cards when knocking out an ex. What stopped Salamence from winning tournaments is Garchomp Lv. X and Power Spray. Not only was Salamence slow to begin with, but he was contending against decks that we was clearly outclassed against.

Charizard AR: Again, Charizard was a slow deck and damage output was too low from that format. What killed it? Consistency of the deck, SP decks, and Gyarados.

 

[battleboy]

About the charizard deck. I ran it with claydol before hgss came out and then I ran Charizard with Typhlotion and it ran well. I had turn 1 donks doing 60-80 damage. And typlotion set up afterwards. I won OR Ashland junior tournamnt with it and almost got third every time.

 

[Swordfish1989]

This type of deck reminds me of Arceus, and even with all that support Arceus still wasn't that good. I really like this deck idea but for it to be consistent it means that you're likely going to have to stick to 3-4 different types only. If you run into a deck that doesn't have a weakness of a Pokemon you run, then what? It's practically an auto-loss if you make the wrong meta call. If you want you could always run 1-ofs of the less popular types, but not only does that hurt consistency but you're likely still going to lose a match against that rare type. For example, say no one runs metal types, so you only run 1 fire type. If that 1 fire type is prized or gets KOed, then what?

The nice thing about SPs is that it could essentially hit for weakness easily, but it could also wipe the floor with you even if you didn't have weakness to it. This deck cannot do that.

 

[ashinto]

Let's get back on topic here...

When I first saw Vileplume I thought that it was going to be an amazing card, due to the card that it's toolboxy, plays big basics that aren't EXs in order to stay ahead of the prize race, and just seemed like a fun deck overall. It has one glaring weakness though - hammers. Hammers completely destroy this deck, seeing that most-all lists have 90% of there energy be special energy such as blend and prism due to the vast amount of different typed attackers in the deck. A Sableye with one enhanced hammer is able to stall you out until you have no energies, therefore making this matchup an autoloss, especially with Skyla in the format making it insanely easy to get the hammer out early. A deck with an absolutely glaring autoloss versus a stradegy that is popular in the format and will stay relatively popular throughout isn't a good deck...

 

[Otaku]

Where as I would say the deck's biggest weakness is the lack of a proper attacker for every Type, and the general speed and power of the format. Perhaps I am wrong, but my immediate thoughts for how to optimize this card were too look for the following:

1) Big, Basic Pokemon (preferably not Pokemon-EX) that had at least one good attack with no specific Energy-Type requirements (e.g. all (C) for costs).

2) Big, Basic Pokemon (prefer ably not Pokemon-EX) that at least one single Energy attack with a good damage return.

Unfortunately, there aren't enough of such Pokemon to easily cover the bases, and with what we do have, most are just better used in different decks. Damage versus HP is extremely high right now, so plain-old Type-matching ends up being just as effective, especially without having to make room for Stage 2 Pokemon.

Now, with respect to building an actual deck, one shouldn't worry too much about your own Weaknesses... because again it is just oddball situations when a Pokemon being hit for regular Weakness wouldn't also be OHKOed. At worst you should just be saving your opponent a token amount of effort. It is certainly a disadvantage, but not a substantial one in the grand scheme of things.

Also, I figure if I can't make room to max out Pokemon Catcher and PlusPower, the deck isn't worth running. Those two should be key to the strategy, since with Vileplume in play you should be getting +40 damage per PlusPower!