Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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Will Gengar SF gain a boost in popularity with the new format?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 53 58.9%

  • No.

    Votes: 6 6.7%

  • We'll have to wait and see.

    Votes: 31 34.4%
  • Total voters
    90
TheGeneral said:
Well, getting out 2 stage 2's consitently without Claydol and only using trainers and Uxie will be diffffffficult.
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You'd be surprised really. The trick is being fast enough early game to prevent Vileplume from blocking you off early on, then using supporters to tide you through the rest of the game.
 
I'm so done with Gengar SF. I've had to deal with this card ever since I started playing January of last year. Having in the format still, but with no real counter to it (namely Unown G) is extremely frustrating.
 
I think if getting 2 stage 2's out were to be easy with any thing, it would be SF Gengar. Cheap attacks, 0 retreat cost... and Fainting Spell insurance will be enough tricks up your sleeve to be able to pull off something like that.
 
Gengar has a lot of strong partners and will be a huge force in our next meta. Though having stg. 2 partners is going to really slow it down and it will have to find a good non-trainer engine to work with vileplume.
 
The_Envoy_of_Chaos said:
Vilplume/Gengar... Hmm... DGX says "Hi!"
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And Gengar Lv.X says hi, uses Level down, and you can't use trainers to look for the DGX. Of course, Gengar player will use up all his or her trainers before Leveling down, so you both got a trainer turn.

Not saying that DGX isn't a counter, as it's pretty much the most effective one, but that there's a counter to counter, and without Power Sprays your counter isn't going to hold for long. Dialga Tank (/w Skuntank and Toxicroak) should be a decent counter deck in the next season meta, now you only need another way to draw into your Special metals when Claydol is gone.
 
Kayle said:
Except Machamp wins much more quickly than Gengar does. Gengar actually has to maintain a swarm in most of its games to be effective; Machamp can usually get out one, maybe two, and take the game from there. (Take Out + Hurricane Punch is more than most decks can take anyway.)
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uh, one or two machamps is never going to single-handedly win a game vs. a competent player.
 
Dennis Hawk said:
And Gengar Lv.X says hi, uses Level down, and you can't use trainers to look for the DGX. Of course, Gengar player will use up all his or her trainers before Leveling down, so you both got a trainer turn.

Not saying that DGX isn't a counter, as it's pretty much the most effective one, but that there's a counter to counter, and without Power Sprays your counter isn't going to hold for long. Dialga Tank (/w Skuntank and Toxicroak) should be a decent counter deck in the next season meta, now you only need another way to draw into your Special metals when Claydol is gone.
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That new trainer fetches special energy. Seems effective enough to me.
 
The poll closing by default is teh sux0rz. I'm confident that Gengar SF is going to become more popular; I'm glad that I held onto my reverse holo line of him when every one was saying the next format was going to be PL on.
 
This is why gyarados will be BDIF.

Sableye will be the best starter poke in the game, can donk most stage 2 basics, and g'dos still goes 50-50 with luxchomp, which with gechamp running around, won't be played as much.

But on topic, yes, i see it being played more and more considering gengar SF is a great card that can be played around, but makes it difficult for your opp and can even force them to waste needed resources.
 
Dennis Hawk said:
And Gengar Lv.X says hi, uses Level down, and you can't use trainers to look for the DGX. Of course, Gengar player will use up all his or her trainers before Leveling down, so you both got a trainer turn.

Not saying that DGX isn't a counter, as it's pretty much the most effective one, but that there's a counter to counter, and without Power Sprays your counter isn't going to hold for long. Dialga Tank (/w Skuntank and Toxicroak) should be a decent counter deck in the next season meta, now you only need another way to draw into your Special metals when Claydol is gone.
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Keep in mind the Gengar player has to get out a stage 2 (Vilplume) and the equivalent of a stage 3 (Gengar LvX). Without a consistent draw, which I can't see happening very easily next format, it will be very hard to get BOTH on the field. All Dialga has to do is start, Bebe's/Radar next turn and you're staring down a DGX.

It's a valid point you make, a very valid point but I'm just not convinced that without a consistent engine, a lot of non-SP decks aren't going to be able to compete. I could be completely wrong, but well see next format :)
 
"______ says hi" as a response isn't funny anymore.

SP builds could still have a fairly positive matchup to Gengar. Since Claydol's gone next format, locking draw is easier to do with random Uxie drops instead of a consistent Cosmic Power.
 
Okay. It's always more or less been difficult to run two stage twos... But then again... Does Gengar really NEED that support? He attacks for one, has no retreat, can potentially beast up for 2 and has fainting spell at the end of your turn... Vileplume is just a luxury to make him more consistent.
 
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