Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf IX (Team Galactic's Plot) ENDGAME AND ANALYSIS!!!!!

Cardzmaster2004 said:
ShadowZangoose: Normally you put QUITE a bit more reasoning behind your posts. You've been quoting I-net problems as the main source, but you've played quite games before when you held a power role. I'm sorry, but this screams to me that you're using your internet problems as a shield for your wolf-dom, especially as you've been much more active these past couple days.
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And the comcast guy can't come out to the house and fix the internet, thus allowing me to POST? Gotcha.

Other people can attest that I've been having net problems, but if you don't believe that, that's your problem, not mine. And quite honestly, another reason I've not been posting is that nothing of any real interest or worth discussing has come up. It's all just been firing off random shots in the dark from what I've seen.

Your vote for sdrawkcab has been the only worthwhile thing I've really seen, so I jumped on it because it seemed odd that you voted for him without a reason. I'd AIM Lakak and ask why it was done, but I don't know if I'm allowed to do that.

Am I allowed to AIM dead townies for information, Absoltrainer?

If he says yes, and I AIM Lakak and am satisfyed with the answer I get, I'll gladly drop my vote against you, as I've said.

If I was a wolf, I'd not drop the vote against you, I'd want you eliminated because of that reason. You're a power player and a threat, why drop the vote when you're close to death and it's one more person out of the way?

And yes, I admit that I did play quiet games in past WWs, but I was also fairly inexperienced. I've played in several other forum WWs since the ones I've been in on 'gym, so I can actually say I know what I'm doing now.

I just don't see why I have to AIM a dead townsperson, why can't you just tell me.
 
You should not be IMing dead people. Just as dead people do not post in the werewolf thread, they are dead outside the thread as well. They should not be discussed with or be discussing what they know about the game with other people still in the game.
 
alrighty sorry in advance for a short post...i forgot that the wii had internet :p

Cardz, im not sure why you want us to talk to a dead player, you should be able to tell us anything you know...enless theres somesort of restriction? And if that is the case you could at least explain to us what that restriction is....

Lifevirus...Cardz gave you a get out of jail free card. The only remaining possible gyarados would be TimeForPain. (see my posts from yesterday...) and if it turns out that TFP isn't gyarados then i believe we could safely asume it was lakak.........

Unvote: Lifevirus
Vote: TimeForPain
 
Unvote: cardzmaster2004
Vote: Undecided

also @ backwards: I am not gyrados, if I was wouldn't I have attacked the town last night? I think lakak was gyrados since we lynched him and never saw his role for unknown reasons.
 
But, if Gyarados wasn't lynched, and is smart, he wouldn't have killed last night so that people would think he truly died. That's at least one theory I've been thinking about.

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Ughhh I hate doing long posts. They take up so much time. Alright here we go. Cardzmaster posted alot more than this, but I do not see the point of replying to everything he says.

Cardzmaster2004 said:
Since I'm two votes from a kill, it is apparent to me that I must make a role claim. This sucks, well, something I've been modded for, but anywho. Here is the brief explanation of my role, since I'm not allowed to do direct quotes:

But it was ok for you to use a direct quote when you told us that you were a vigilante? Hmm. that doesnt make very much sense...

I was Eevee. This has been established. On Night 1, I was permitted to make the evolution, and I chose Love. Hence, I am now an Espeon. Espeon is a pseudo-Seer, which learns the alignment of their target at a 85% rate. So its pretty much an assured role, if I get to use it.

Once again. Not "established". Not "confirmed". You just said that you were an eevee. Also, I would like to know where your "information" that you have promised us, then never revealed, is coming from. You have only used one day of seer-powers. I also do not think that there would be a vigilante/Mason/"Pokemon that can obtian new roles" all roled up into one person. Now that I think about it, I think that the biting role has only been there to try and expose the vigilante, and change him into a wolf. I do not think that Absoltrainer would be so unfair as to give the woves a mason, a seer, and whatever other roles they have, as they would if they had bitten you( if you are really the vigilante)

However, last night was the only time I could use it, since last night was the first night I was unprotected. Knowing that Gyarados would be someone we needed to know was dead, I targeted LifeVirus7. He was revealed to be a Townie (not a shock to me, but I checked for the good of the Town). Since I am a Seer, I did not get the chance to see his role, which is fine.

Again, we have no way to know if this is true or not. LifeVirus would not post saying that he is not a townie, just to try and prove you wrong, as we would lynch him right away. Since I do not trust what you have said so far, I do not believe this either.

So, I trust LifeVirus and one other player in the village currently. That person is Mew* since the events of the past night proved him to be a Townsperson. I would go into more detail on this He's the only person who I can with complete certainty say is a Townsperson. The three of us are definitely safe. And I doubt I'll get the chance to use my role again, but I did reveal it. It's pretty much the only way I can see being safe out of this.

And Lifevirus is someone you cant trust? Whoops misplay. I understand. You would go into more detail... but what? Why dont you go into more detail? Please Explain yourself

If y'all still wanna vote me off after I role-claimed and showed what I did last night, fine. Just know that for the course of this game I have not lied. Not even once. And I'm not lying even now. I have a feeling that some of you have lied about your roles thus far, but the two I listed above have not. They you can trust.

You supposedly role claimed. We have no idea if your claim is true. I still believe that you are the Alpha wolf. More will be explained when I talk about the "flaws in my logic".
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The most recent post by Cardzmaster:

And I totally agree with you. It does quite suck that you guys can't take me at my word. But please remember, I've not lied yet. Not in any WW game. II was quite a stretch, as I used what others said and quoted it as what they said was true and I also never claimed to be town Aligned. But everything I have said this game is true and if you can't trust that, then I'm not sure who you can trust.

Not lied that you are willing to admit to :wink:. Umm I trust me, and apparently we should trust the other people who you tell us are Townies...

As I've said before, the only reasoning I can give is to wait and AIM Lakak or another dead townie. That is my only reasoning for the vote.

Except that we cant do that since we would be modkilled. I do not understand either why you cannot tell us. Apparently you have told us many other things that were very helpful. Why not this?


shinygyardos: Honestly, you just started being vocal today, and it was kinda out of the blue. While a LOT of your reasoning have been solid, there are still major flaws that have I and others have presented in your logic. The fact that, even after I did a role claim you did not reveal your role shows to me your not committed to the well-being of the town. Hence, the highly-Wolfy attitude toward you.

I wouldnt call them "major" flaws. Since all we are doing is hypothesising, I think that posts can have some parts missing, IF they would be parts that cannot be found out. You say that you have some information for us that would convince us that you were not the alpha wolf, however I have still not seen it. If the only thing you have to disuade us is your claim to be an Espeon, you might want to try harder.

*insert LOTS of talking here*

shinygyarados: Yes, you're in both sections. I put some of what you were (and weren't) saying together and think you might be safe. This is closer to 55%, so I'm very iffy on this one. I believe you have one of two roles: Major Wolf player or Major Town Player that's been seen in EVERY Night Post prominently. Do you want to claim it or me?

Alright, Im special!! No I do not think that I will do a role claim. Nothing has been given to me that would make me want to. You said that you would trade, but then revealed your role anyway. I was not going to claim my role anyway, but it still seems kinda silly for you to do that. Right now it seems like you are trying to surround yourself with people whose roles you know, whether this is protection from lynching, or supposed protection from any remaining vigs, I do not know. Either way I would prefer it if my role was kept a secret for now. You claim that you are a seer, figure out my role for yourself.:thumb:

That's all I have to say now. I will search Mew* tomorrow night, since so many of you are concerned about his role, but I can with 100% certainty say that he is Townie without having to check his alignment. However, I can confirm I will do this the coming game night.

How would you check his role? You said that all you can do it check allignment. Either way we are going on your word.


Anyone else wanna put up any other ideas for a Wolf other than myself. I am NOT a Werewolf. I rarely use these words, since I believe saying them breaks the mystique of the game. But, I can in all honesty say I am NOT a Werewolf and I am NOT Independantly-Aligned (even though this isn't an issue, I'll just bring it up).

Once again you havent said anything that any person wouldnt say when under the gun. You said that you stretched the truth in werewolf 2. Are you really a member of Team Galactic then?
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As to your claim of "flaws in my logic" I do not remember most of them. If you could post a list of ones that I missed that would be helpful:smile:

1.) You cant be Alpha wolf since you were blocked and wolf kills still happened.
Answered already: Second in Command

2.) Attempted to be bitten night 1.
This one goes along with the whole "you tricked us by killing your own team" concept or, The biting role is just a distractor like Ikrit's smiling thing was. Please do not say that the biting role has been confirmed as a wolf's. One of the reasons I started suspecting you in the first place was that you used words that are crowd pleasers, words that inspire confidence in someone. You stated things as fact, when they were really Opinions.

3.) " I have evolved, Team Galactic is all people so I can't be one of them"
Already mentioned this, but will do it again. Pikachu was a member of Team Galactic and last time I checked, Pikachu was a pokemon:thumb:

I am getting your arguments against my logic from post 310. Points one and two do not seem to be arguments against me, but for yourself. I will not argue against them for now as that is not what I am trying to do.

4.) "I kill people based on logic. No one else has had logic convincing enough until recently"
That's not a direct quote, but pretty much thats what you said. This supports my point. We have been blindly following you all game, while you have been telling us not to. You could have stopped the bandwagoning a long time ago if you had just posted your points and let people decide who to vote for before telling them who you are voting for. Now that we are farther into the game, I am trying to get us off of the "Cardznaster voted for him" bandwagon.

Those are all the points against me that I can find. If there are others that I am not aware of, please tell me so that I can make sure that I am understood. It would be a shame to lose due to a misunderstanding.
 
TFP, the only reason i'm voting for you is because you're the only possible suspect remaining, assuming that lakak isn't gyarados. I understand that Gyarados didn't use his rampage last night, and that could be because he's been killed, however there are several other possiblities aswell. He might need a full day of rest before being able to use his rage again...or perhaps his roll has some other sort of limitation....
 
Oh that's another good idea on the needing rest thing. I guess I'll vote for Time for Pain. Better safe then sorry. It's just too weird how Lakak's role wasn't revealed. It's a gamble though. Say he's a townie, we just killed a townie... he could be a wolf which would be awesome. But what if he's the Gyarados, we could have just saved multiple townies' lives. I'll take those odds.

UNVOTE: Undecieded
VOTE: Time for Pain

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Cardzmaster: I have a hectic life sorry - I don't have time to read your excessively loong posts/ and post a lot of stuff.

I still think whatever role cardz has it's very complicated and lengthy.
-.- seeing the roles revealed during this game I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Well....I do think Lakak was Gyarados, but its a good idea to stay safe, because it would be really bad for everyone if Gyarados was somehow alive another night.....
 
i personally dont think cardz is a wolf and this is a really tough one to decide who to lynch today coz since lakaks role wasn't revealed i think he was the gyrados meaning voting time for pain or lifevirus7 would prob be a bad call but there is nothing to suggest who is a wolf from the information we gained during the previous day so i am going to have to stay undecided for the time being until someone can post a decent arguement for lynching someone other than just pure speculation
 
Thanks for posting, I forgot to actually vote....

VOTE: Time For Pain

ps: Ryu99, would you mind using periods so I can fully read your sentences?
 
Mew* said:
Oh that's another good idea on the needing rest thing. I guess I'll vote for Time for Pain. Better safe then sorry. It's just too weird how Lakak's role wasn't revealed. It's a gamble though. Say he's a townie, we just killed a townie... he could be a wolf which would be awesome. But what if he's the Gyarados, we could have just saved multiple townies' lives. I'll take those odds.

UNVOTE: Undecieded
VOTE: Time for Pain

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Absoltrainer said:
[DEL]1. Lakak[/DEL] - Town Aligned - ????? Lynched Day 4
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UNVOTE: Undecided
VOTE: Mew*
 
Not to speak for LucaEX, but I think it's because that Lakak is, according to the front page, confirmed as a Townie.

Absoltrainer: I this accurate. We as a town need to know, as this has happened before that something was mismarked. Thanks!
 
oh...
*slaps face*
wow
Sorry
What i meant to do is make is all question marks, and I C/Ped the coding and stuff.
Yeah I apologize. I never even looked at the front page since I did that. He is not a confirmed Townie or Wolf or Indie.

I apoligize again for any problems that might have caused. *fixed*


What it is supposed to read, and now reads is

[DEL]1. Lakak[/DEL] - ??????? Aligned - ????? Lynched Day 4
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