WEREWOLF XII: Cyrus's Revenge!! ENDGAME Planning for next WW game inside

[gashmoigidy]

Wow Z-man, why do you always talk in riddles its realy hard to understand lol. could someone explain what this means?

Since I'm very tired of rhyming, i'll take the warning and try saying something for once. Don't protect Diaz, then he can't use his role. It's a waste. A side note: I'm somewhat suspicious of DP still

 

[Cardkeeper]

Why was I voted for?? All I did was say how Diaz could possibly not be a preist, and discussing the issue. Something like 3 other people have done too. Pokechampofpokebeach, while I don't necessarilly believe he's a preist just yet, he still could be. Why would we leave it to chance instead of allowing the preists to use their instincts? Just doesn't make sense IMO

 

[homeofmew]

Vote: DIAZ

Reason: too suspicious for me.
I have seen many people lie about their role claim in previous games.

 

[Ikrit]

642<-I really like this system D.

@Cardz
I was wondering how to apply your argument about the vote percentages to our current predicament. Should we not kill anyone to preserve the lower bound voting percentages required for lynching or what? Like I said earlier, I am new to this argumentation and thusly need some further guidance on it.

@Pokechampofpokebeach
This is why I told Diaz to at random pick between two targets. Your strategy is sound, but it needs to be modified, it should be a much lower number of people, 3 at most. at six different people, that is only a 16 and 2/3 percent chance of it being the person the wolves want to pick. Whereas if you only pick out of three, its a 33 and 1/3 percent chance of being the one that was protected, which is MUCH more dangerous to the wolves.

@Diaz
I think that you are right in your line of reasoning. Keep talking, keep being logical, keep the town moving. I am glad for your presence here.

@Everyone Else
I believe that Diaz is valuable to the town. I also believe that bickering about his value is worthless at this point. We should be pouring over Absol's prodigious amount of information that he has given us. I personally would like to be protected again.

I also apologize for my lack of posting, just finished with finals and was flying home.

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

Why was I voted for?? All I did was say how Diaz could possibly not be a preist, and discussing the issue. Something like 3 other people have done too. Pokechampofpokebeach, while I don't necessarilly believe he's a preist just yet, he still could be. Why would we leave it to chance instead of allowing the preists to use their instincts? Just doesn't make sense IMO

Diaz is obviously a priest. The night update proves it. The way I see it, there is a 90% chance that Diaz is a priest. And I rather like those odds.

642<-I really like this system D.

@Cardz
I was wondering how to apply your argument about the vote percentages to our current predicament. Should we not kill anyone to preserve the lower bound voting percentages required for lynching or what? Like I said earlier, I am new to this argumentation and thusly need some further guidance on it.

@Pokechampofpokebeach
This is why I told Diaz to at random pick between two targets. Your strategy is sound, but it needs to be modified, it should be a much lower number of people, 3 at most. at six different people, that is only a 16 and 2/3 percent chance of it being the person the wolves want to pick. Whereas if you only pick out of three, its a 33 and 1/3 percent chance of being the one that was protected, which is MUCH more dangerous to the wolves.

@Diaz
I think that you are right in your line of reasoning. Keep talking, keep being logical, keep the town moving. I am glad for your presence here.

@Everyone Else
I believe that Diaz is valuable to the town. I also believe that bickering about his value is worthless at this point. We should be pouring over Absol's prodigious amount of information that he has given us. I personally would like to be protected again.

I also apologize for my lack of posting, just finished with finals and was flying home.

Ikrit... it doesn't matter how they do it (use an internet randomizer all I care), I was more or less saying choose randomly. The moment we rely on instinct, we become predictable. And unless you haven't seen the amazing show that is "V", you'd know that the more predictable we are, the more vulnerable we are (but seriously that is an awesome show). The basic gist of my post was that the priests should randomly choose their target. Or not. Either way, the Werewolves are going to have make random guesses, which is always awesome for the town.

I'm not saying that the priests should follow this. It's up to them. They might be able to fake out the Werewolves, too.

So, priests: do whatever you feel is comfortable. If you're not okay with my theory, you don't have to follow it... but whatever you do, try to make it a tad bit unpredictable.

 

[smacktack15]

Vote: DIAZ

Reason: too suspicious for me.
I have seen many people lie about their role claim in previous games.

Yes, Diaz is still a suspect but, that isn't going to help us right now. I think it is too early to vote ATM. Nothing has really happened and Diaz can prove some worth throughout the game. I think the wolves will stop attacking him and he will eventually stop getting protected. That is when we will see the truth. I still don't trust him but, I think there are more *hidden* problematic players in this game. We just have to do some research and we will get some clues. Again, still to early for voting.

~Zach

 

[homeofmew]

Except you are/were on my suspect list too.
I am always suspicious of people who post really long posts.
- usually because they have a big role./ or an indy that needs to die-

I have seen this in countless WW games.

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

Except you are/were on my suspect list too.
I am always suspicious of people who post really long posts.
- usually because they have a big role./ or an indy that needs to die-

I have seen this in countless WW games.

They can also be the most greatest assets to the town. I posted huge posts in the last Werewolf game, and I was a roleblocker who really lent a hand to the town.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with what you posted, I'm just saying that your theory is not always true.

 

[smacktack15]

They can also be the most greatest assets to the town. I posted huge posts in the last Werewolf game, and I was a roleblocker who really lent a hand to the town.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with what you posted, I'm just saying that your theory is not always true.

Agreed.

Tina: I may be a newer player but, I say it isn't the best move to vote right now and just wait. You can still vote for Diaz later during Day 2. I just don't think anyone who votes right now has had enough of an opportunity to soak in all of the events Day 2 has brought (and will bring). I might just vote for Diaz myself at the end of Day 2 but, it is your choice.

~Zach

 

[Sandslash7]

#649

The woman watching them decided to make her move,

This does not seem like a seer. "make her move" denotes doing an action, intimating a priest ability. It seemed like she was going to protect one of them.

First a white light that was devoid of any evil presence completely covered the woman watching the two people. She looked around her as she realized she had been enveloped in a dome of light and thus could not enact her plan again, not a seer-ish ability, most probably a priest. on the man below. The next thing that happened is that she saw the man she was targeting get body slammed by the Snorlax, withdraw his Alakazam and run away with injuries to himself and his pride. The other man walked away victorious in his nightly plans.

1. Without the interference of Sabrina, Alakazam and trainer lost versus Snorlax and trainer.
2. We didn't find out anything from "his nightly plans" so I assume it either didn't affect the town or had some purpose we will yet see.

The woman in the dome grew bored. Her target was gone, as was the other man, and she could not leave the dome she sat in. She caught site of a man trying to look at her through the barrier. Clearly this barrier was only one way because the man, shielding his eyes from the bright light turned around and left, obviously frustrated. As soon as he left, another man arrived, tripped over a rock, interrogated the rock, and then resumed his attention on the barrier. He too could not see anything through the barrier. He walked away.

Here we see that both a seer and detective tried to investigate the woman. Who was under the most suspicion last night? Diaz. Who was investigated by 2 people? Diaz/Sabrina.

This night was turning out to be interesting for the woman in the barrier devoid of evil clearly a holy shield, therefore a priest. after all. Things seemed to be quieting down when all of a sudden the woman in the barrier glimpsed someone sneaking in the shadows behind him. The guy walked up to the back of the barrier obviously trying the get a look at it. The barrier resonated and threw the man against a tree. His mission failed, he disappeared as mysteriously as he came.

Here we see that another person tried to get into the barrier, and since he was viciously repelled, we can guess that his purposes were less than righteous.

The man who had been thrown against the tree Possibly a person un-town-aligned however was about to have a horrible night. As he walked back to his house, someone ran up behind him and grabbed him by the throat. A rag was put over his mouth and the man passed out. When he awoke he was sitting in a room with one lamp, tied to a chair. A man approached him and asked him some questions, then left. Finally a third man arrived and beat him up to the point he passed out again. When he woke up on the ground outside of his house, he was bruised and injured, with a broken nose.

I don't know what to make of this part as of yet. Possibly a trio of indies or a Team Black Hole attacking the possibly un-townie-aligned person?

Meanwhile in other part of the town, a Pokémon snuck in the shadows sitting in wait for his target. The target passed him, sensed him immediately and used agility to disappear. The Pokémon, angry at his failure, turned around and found himself face to face with a pink balloon…with eyes…and a microphone. The pink Pokémon began to sing, and the other Pokémon passed out.

Hatter seems to have wanted to do something to his target, who teleported away (Scyther/Lucario/Pikachu).

He was concentrating on something big, his eyes were shining with light as if he was looking as something that wasn’t there. Seer possibly? He never saw who snuck up behind him, put a knife within centimeters of his neck, then change his mind and run off.

Another Vig or something?

He found himself enveloped and a Blue and Pink light. A third Priest?Fearing for his life he ducked down, looking up to see several members of Team Galactic Wolves standing outside the light…They had guns, the men shot the barrier and dodged the ricochet.

Finally there were three strange occurrences that everyone saw. First 2 bright white lights flashed in separate parts of the city, and cries of evolution flooded the night. Two Pokemon evolved last night, and we will see what their roles are tonight The other was a resonating humming that became so high pitched it broke windows. A giant ‘X’ appeared in the sky and then disappeared. Everyone seemed to notice Darth Pika roaming around during the night. The other thing that everyone swore they saw was a Shedninja floating in and out of houses.

Absol, this seems like 4 things, is it?

ShinyGyrados was not in town that day…well not completely. He was a ghost, he told the townspeople he was safe. The other thing people found was PokeChampofPokeBeach He said he could not remember anything other then an ominous wind flowing by him then suddenly he had blacked out. He was fine now however. The other thing missing was…Darth Pika’s mouth…it was gone! Darth Pika Not only was his mouth missing but he was extremely beaten up. He looked like he had been in a fight and lost. Despite all of this, his mouth gone, and his body beaten, Darth Pika retained an EXTREMELY happy attitude the entire day it seemed. Another odd occurance is that Hatter had woken up with a marker mustache and glasses drawn on his face.

Finally there was the bulletin board. Today there was (2) items on it. First there was another copy of the mysterious paper that was on the board before. ANYONE may PM me during the GAME DAY and ask for the piece of paper. The FIRST person I get a PM from will get the benefits....or consequences of this paper.
Second there was a note…a note from Cyrus. It read:

Team Galactic is the enemy.
C.

At this point we can possibly correlate the night events to the people attacked/so forth.

My first thought is that Diaz is safe from suspicion. I'd really like to know why you, Homeofmew, are voting for him. He is highly likely to be a townie. Given what we learned last night, what is your evidence?

 

[Chanman]

From what I've read so far:
Diaz seems to be a priest because he didn't die and isn't doing bad to the town from what I see now
Cardkeeper/Shinygyarados/Homeofmew want Diaz to go because he could be a massive fraud but doesn't have much reasoning to go with it
All of us need to find the inactive players and decide if we keep Diaz or not
We have a lot of night roles and some roleblockers and maybe 3 priests
I think that Diaz is probably a priest/indie now from what I read.

VOTE: Undecided

 

[shinygyarados]

@Diaz:

I’ve been more than pulling my weight around town today, keeping the flow of information going. I’ve been encouraging and contributing to discussion. But I don’t think that that’s even the reason to keep me around.

Ummm, exactly how have you been "keeping the flow of information going"? You havent brought any new information as of yet. Do you mean by posting your opinions? Yeah thats called playing the game.

As you say, I’m only dangerous if I make it to the end of the game. Why bother lynching me now, when you could give me time to prove myself as a priest. In only one night, there was plenty of evidence of my priesthood. Give me a couple more and I should be able to prove (some think its highly likely already) I’m a priest. If I can prove beyond a doubt that I am a priest, then:

Except no one has ever said that you are only dangerous if you make it to the end of the game. In fact the exact opposite is the major point against you, that you can still be dangerous through night kills.

In a 37 person game, making to the very end is highly unlikely for any player. Why lynch me now, when I could continue to be helpful to the town. If I’m a wolf, I have a giant target on my back, and wont be able to make to the end anyway.

Because as far as I can tell we have no way of knowing that you ARE helpful to the town, and that there is a chance that you will be VERY hurtful to the town.

@ PokeChamp of PokeBeach:

Please explain to me how the night update proves he is a priest. From what I understand most people think that he is the woman that watched the battle correct? All it says is that he targeted someone, and got protected, and then got targeted. Also your plan has a major flaw in it. What if the wolves dont target anyone of those six people? For all we know they could go after some random townie to just start lowering the numbers.

@ Pikamaster:

What you said doesnt make sense because the wolves did not target Diaz tonight(if he was truly the one in the bubble, but the ruin maniac/fossil excavator). So... no.

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

@ PokeChamp of PokeBeach:
Please explain to me how the night update proves he is a priest. From what I understand most people think that he is the woman that watched the battle correct? All it says is that he targeted someone, and got protected, and then got targeted. Also your plan has a major flaw in it. What if the wolves dont target anyone of those six people? For all we know they could go after some random townie to just start lowering the numbers.

Because we already know that Diaz is Sabrina. He told us that, and I doubt he'd make it up. If anything, he would have claimed that he was Sabrina the Seer. The only way he could have known Sabrina was a priest was him being Sabrina. It isn't some n00bish wolf mistake. Had he been a wolf with such a cunning plan, he would have at least gotten the facts straight. Sabrina is a woman, is she not? And seeing as Diaz was the most influential player in terms of events for day 1, it is only natural he be protected.

So he is obviously Sabrina. But if he were making it up, he'd said that he was a seer. But he didn't. He knows information that no one else has, and therefore he has to be telling the truth, logically.

As for my theory, I have already explained that you don't have to choose six people. Just keep it random. That's all I'm saying now. Dice seemed the most convenient to me, so I chose that, but really it doesn't matter how.

And if the Wolves do go after random townies, we possibly save the more experienced players. Good roles aren't everything. If it came down to an important role versus experience, I'd take experience. As long as the Wolves are targeting less experienced players, I think the town stands a chance.

Of course, if the priests take my advice, they might not protect any of the important people. So the question is if the Wolves are going to take the risk, or take the free kill. By using this method, we take the gamble from our side to the side of the Wolves.

 

[Qwachansey]

If Diaz is a Priest and is Priested by someone else, he is therefore unable to use his Priest ability. By saving Diaz,we are wasting two Priest roles - the one that saved him and the ability Diaz can no longer use. Being Priested also stops seers from being able to tell whether Diaz is a Priest or not.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but this seems like a huge waste to me.

 

[Lucario EX]

@ PokeChamp of PokeBeach:

Please explain to me how the night update proves he is a priest. From what I understand most people think that he is the woman that watched the battle correct? All it says is that he targeted someone, and got protected, and then got targeted.

It doesn't prove that he is a priest, but I think it does prove that he is Sabrina, whatever that means. Day 1 pretty much revolved around Diaz. It's just logical that he would be the only one likely to be targeted by that many roles. So, sure, he could be a wolf. He could be an indie. He could be a seer. Or, he could actually be a priest, who happened to make a noobish mistake Day 1.

Even if he is a wolf or indie, he'll most likely be protected anyway, and therefore unable to use his role, so it's not as if he's an immediate danger.

 

[Azure Kite]

If Diaz is a Priest and is Priested by someone else, he is therefore unable to use his Priest ability. By saving Diaz,we are wasting two Priest roles - the one that saved him and the ability Diaz can no longer use. Being Priested also stops seers from being able to tell whether Diaz is a Priest or not.

Perhaps I'm missing something, but this seems like a huge waste to me.

Zing! This kid nailed it.

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For a description of why I’m a priest based on the write up (this comes from someone who was a fan of voting me out yesterday iirc): http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1584805&postcount=563

Diaz, that was only my summarization from the night's events. I've been wrong before. Although I feel I am probably right about this, this shouldn't be taken to say "you're in the clear now". Don't exaggerate the meaning of my posts, thanks.

I find this whole squabble over Diaz to be VERY ridiculous. We should be focusing on something else entirely. This is a summary of what to make of Diaz' situation. Summarization for each point(one paragraph for each of my points) will be in bold.

I summarized why I think Diaz is almost definitely the priest. You can see that in the link in the quote. Just to remind everyone, if Diaz ISN'T the priest, I find it very unlikely he'd guess that there's a female priest in the game, namely Sabrina. I'm not positive that he's the priest, but since it looks like he is Sabrina, and probably not a wolf, it doesn't matter if she's a Seer or Priest in this game. As to the possibility of Sabrina being a wolf, I really don't think so. Team Galactic is supposed to be the enemy,a and hence the wolves, and I don't recall Sabrina ever joining them, and Absoltrainer isn't one to just make up crap to fool us. Or at least not like this. Right now, everything points to Diaz being Sabrina the priest, and NOT a threat to the town.

Diaz should not be protected. We're wasting roles this way. There's no guarantee the wolves will even attack Diaz. Diaz, if you feel you need protection, just protect yourself.(The priest can do this, right??? Pretty sure it was possible in past games...) The other priests should protect more important players.

Role decisions should NOT be randomized. This is stupid and unnecessary. I'll let all you role users in on a little secret. Get this. You don't have to randomize your decision to keep the Wolves guessing! I know right?! Crazy! But it's true. There will always be players that seem more in need of protection than others. But the wolves will do one of two things. First, they could go for a random townie as said earlier, to simply reduce numbers. Second, they can go for an experienced/logic using player in hopes of reducing the amount of logical dialog between players, hence making it easier to start a bandwagon as a team. If you try to protect a player you believe vital to the town/possible wolf target, that's fine. In most if not all cases, unless it is requested, your role decision WON'T be AT ALL obvious. Everyone with a role that will help the town(i.e. the priest, seer, etc.), DON'T randomize your choice for protection/investigation/whatever. Hoping to get lucky is the WRONG way to play the game.

Why are we even considering voting for Diaz at this point? As I said, he isn't exempt from our consideration, but at this point he is NOT a threat, and he is NOT a person we should even be focusing on at this point. Homeofmew, read this post, and the summarization of why Diaz probably IS the priest, then refute it and tell me why we SHOULD vote for Diaz. Until then, We should NOT vote for Diaz.

What should we be focusing on? Who it is we think should go. Before anyone even SUGGESTS it, No Lynch is STILL a horrible idea. We held the whole debate on the last game day. We're better off voting for someone dangerous to the town, wolf or not. Once again, not defending Diaz here, but it's ridiculous to continue discussing him. I know DarthPika would agree with me on this. Vote for someone who you feel is a threat to the town.

Who is on my list? Not too many people. Whoever voted for Cardkeeper should unvote immediately. Once again, ridiculous and unnecessary, and totally void of any REAL logic. Smacktack is still on my list. With his life spared on day one, I don't see much improvement. I have noticed that your posts are a bit longer now, but unfortunately, [yoda]post length does a logical player make.[/yoda] Still, the only thing I read is your repeating of what other people have stated, and things that really have no effect on anything. I grow tired of "just wait and see, I'm a noob now, but I'll become a good player soon", and very quickly. These people can be quite dangerous to the town. If no other suspicious player may be found, I suggest Smacktack or some other player with a similar posting style.

Finally, before I finish this post, there seems to be an issue over who has posted and who isn't. Although I do find that inactivity is among the lowest of the reasons to find someone suspicious, here's a list of those who've yet to post on this 2nd game day. Oh, and in my opinion, Inactivity really should not be a voting issue, at least this early in the game.

Kwisdumb
Pokemon99
DarthPika(well, y'know)
Lil Magma
Brawler1624
Bippa201

This is done mostly from memory, so I may have missed someone, so let me know if this needs to be changed.

Here are all my points for everyone to see.

Right now, everything points to Diaz being Sabrina the priest, and NOT a threat to the town.

The other priests should protect more important players.

DON'T randomize your choice for protection/investigation/whatever. Hoping to get lucky is the WRONG way to play the game.

We should NOT vote for Diaz.

Vote for someone who you feel is a threat to the town.

If no other suspicious player may be found, I suggest Smacktack or some other player with a similar posting style.

Inactivity really should not be a voting issue, at least this early in the game.

Well, this is my jygondis post for the day. :biggrin: If someone wants to do a more in-depth look into the post activity of the people on my list, be my guest.

 

[Absoltrainer]

VOTE COUNT
PLAYERS LEFT 36
VOTES TO LYNCH: 19

Cardkeeper: 1
Diaz: 1

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

Thanks for shooting down my theory. But yeah, now that you make me look at it like that, random priesting could be compared to random voting... it is incredibly pointless and stupid. So I'm scrapping that theory. I'll come up with something else, though.

I personally find Shinygyarados and Homeofmew all suspicious, mostly because they all seem to want to get rid of Diaz really badly. No townie should want this. So my list of possible votes is:

Shinygyarados
Homeofmew
smacktack15 (last resort vote)

 

[Pikamaster]

I agree AK, everything points to Diaz being the priest. And as for protection, I think DP should be one of the people who gets it.

1. By protecting Diaz day one, he's not very wolfish, is he?
2. He actually thinks when he posts, he doesn't just follow along with what everyone else does. (See day 1)
3. I know he has a lot to say, living in the same house makes that clear.
4. He was the target of at least two roles last night, one of which may have been the Glitch from AT's last game, he may be targeted again tonight.

Now, I gtg for now, but I should be back soon for anything you guys need me for.

 

[Cardkeeper]

AK thanks so much. I wanted to believe Diaz was the preist but was scared to believe a fraud. Your post has me assured like the rest of you. And I agree Pokechamp with your list of suspicious people. Homeofmew is at the top of my list, wanted to get rid of Diaz, but without much reason unlike Shinygyarados. Give us reasons, Homeofmew before I cast my vote.