Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

JP, why didn't you answer my question about G_Landers?

I think StrongRhino is just as good a lynch-candidate and would be willing to compromise, but would like to hear your take on G_Landers first.

Sorry Prohawk, I forgot about your question. I don't know if he is or isn't town. However, looking back at his posts, I would like to know why he voted for DC725 when he did. His post doesn't make much sense. Heck maybe if he doesn't get in here he'll get modkilled and we will know for sure.

Also really don't mind the inactive hunting, but wanted to caution you about the actives as well. In the last game we really only had 1 inactive wolf. Most of us were active and worked hard to blend in. I think the game prior, most of the wolves were fairly active as well.

@MOD, can we have an activity prod, PLEASE or a list of who hasn't posted this game day.
 
Thats fine, if we find someone who is active that has a good probability of being a wolf, I have no problem going after them. I like where you are going with the VCA, it will be especially useful when we get more flips.

G_Landers has posted today. He will not be mod-killed.

StrongRhino on the other hand hasn't posted today and still may be mod-killed.
 
@MOD, can we have an activity prod, PLEASE or a list of who hasn't posted this game day.

I just went through and checked, these players have yet to post this game day:

Pokemonrocks777
TheKing
Waynegg (hanging)
StrongRhino

Posts left today: I think 7 or 8.
 
PokemonRocks777
TheKing
StrongRhino


If you do not post today, you are in danger of being modkilled. As you have seen, there is little tolerance for inactivity. If you do not post today, or PM with a valid excuse, you most likely will be modkilled.
 
Glaceon, your result on me is correct, but we also know your result on JQ was not accurate based on how you claimed she was wolf. How do you get your result presented? Town / not-town or did JQ come back wolf? Now onto Dave's information. He has just claimed not town so either he's one of the other groups or independent, which bring me back to how you get your results.



More from my VCA:
- I noticed a mistake on the final day 4vote count. SS7 is not accounted for and he should be in the non-voter category, and should replace xxumbreonxx from the non-voter list.

People who are on every major wagon:
Waynegg, DarthPika, Prohawk, Scorri, StrongRhino

People who are on one every major wagon except JQ (yesterday but on Waynegg D2)
pokemonfreak5, SS7, SMP88, DC725

KirbyKing didn't vote until day 3. I think he is an enforcer.

From the group on the major wagon, I still think Waynegg / Scorri are strong town reads at this point.
Prohawk, leans town
DP leans scum
Strong Rhino leans strong scum. I've gone back a moved through his posts. There isn't much there in his 20 posts in all, and yet he's on every wagon. Some are fairly week, especially his Day one vablakes vote.

From the group who did vote JQ:
SMP88 claimed priest slight town but I'm surprised you survived the night.
pokemonfreak5, SS7, DC725 (why are your 3 off this wagon? This just give me scum bumps....)



Eclipse, my gut says you still lean scum. It's entirely gut, so I'm willing to read a few games of your. I believe you've played on SF, so I tried finding those games (I'm lame, I couldn't find them). I'm not asking for you to break the site rules here and link those games over, but if you can give me the thread titles, I'll be happy to go search them out. 1 wolf and 1 town, please.

Based on my VCA, I think StrongRhino is the one for today.


Unvote: Eclipse
Vote: StrongRhino


StrongRhino, why are you not voting at this point? Who is your main suspect and why are you not questioning them?

Day 1 I thought I had a vote on that massive post. It turned out I didn't my mistake. Day 2 I was unable to post. How does this make me an enforcer?
 
Interestingly enough- this day needs to pick up with some seriouse wolf lynch. And in order to do so- I am going to take a private warning with this post, because I feel that either being NK'd or "roof topped" is not something I want to have happen.

Scorri, you claim Luna- the only info I can dig up that even comes close to the theme of this is Yu-Gi-Oh.

Luna has a twin, Leo. What sticks out is that they are somewhat linked to a group of Enforcers. Your speach imped makes you speak in 3rd person. There is a role that inflicts speach restrictions. Leo is your counter part, plus- WW is rather common to have Twins. One good, one bad. I do belive you Scorri to be town at this time. The thing is, I need to dig through and list all of those who have been inflicted with the condition, as the role that does this infliction is not town. Wolf or Outlaw.

I am afraid that if you die Scorri, you being a townie- we lose you, but the amount of coincidense in the Twins factor- it is uncertain that if the Twin dies (Leo), you die and visa versa.

I have not yet narrowed it down to who could be the one or what allignment, so I do not want to shoot in the dark and since I have even said all of this- you might die tonight, get roof topped, or what not. This I am sorry for if anything happens to you.


SS7- I think you are todays Lynch. Looking at your interactions with Eclipse today, and your vote switching, combined with the last 5 days- your bad news. At the moment and time wise, plus taking a private warning- I do not have time to really build a huge post- but to me it is all there- to me your bad news, and need to be lynched.

VOTE: SS7


SMP88- Touche, friend.

Glaceon, I do at this time believe you to be townie.

Getting killed out in the open does not mean there is a day kill role. I think it is a waste of time to keep looking into how a player is killed due to a one time inncident- as it would be more worth the time to look into it if it was consistant. The role with swords is gone- so, why continue to look into it more.

I really stand next to my vote- I will not change it. Nor will I sit around and let my fellow townies get bullied when we are in the middle of a fight between other unfriendly groups.

We townies need to unite- and take control of the day with what we have in front of us. I can not do this alone, please look into what I have said. Look into what patterns of those who have been inflicted with a speech imped, and they are either town or wolf, as I do think the inflictor is Outlaw. I do not have in real life time to post more on this today, plus I am going to get a warning as it is and I do not want to get mod-killed, let alone roof topped or night killed.

Seriously- the town needs to rally, and I am doing this in attempts to do this: get rid of scum and quit being in the fear zone of being afraid of calling out what you see.

SS7- I do belive you need to go. Regardless. Your a great player, but for this game I feel that your a horrible threat to this town.

You all want action- activity- here it is from me on behalf of what I think will shift the power back into the towns hands- I will TRI to keep doing what I can FOR the best interest of my fellow townies-
 
I have stated before, I was on the early wagons because I do not believe that No Lynch is a good option for the town. With so many blundered lynches this game, I stand by my motives for voting on those earlier wagons. This includes Wayne's gambit, which I still not believe is an adequate method of finding wolves. You all but said it yourself with the number of confirmed townies on the list.

As to why I didn't vote for JQ, I also explained earlier that something did not sit right with the whole situation. A scum seer read and then a player confessing at the drop of a hat just seemed so contradictory to every other wolf play I have ever seen. I wanted to make sure we had discussed all options for the day first.

SMP88, I could apply the exact same argument you made against me, I'm on the list but my role card says I'm town so you must be scum. See how flimsy it sounds. What makes your claim any better than mine.


@Glaceon, it would be safe to assume that most separate factions, enforcers and the like, would be able to communicate. I don't see this so much as insider information but more just common knowledge based on previous 'gym games.


Also Pikamaster, I noticed that my vote for ProHawk has been left off all vote counts since I posted it....
 
Scorri, you claim Luna- the only info I can dig up that even comes close to the theme of this is Yu-Gi-Oh.

Luna has a twin, Leo. What sticks out is that they are somewhat linked to a group of Enforcers. Your speach imped makes you speak in 3rd person. There is a role that inflicts speach restrictions. Leo is your counter part, plus- WW is rather common to have Twins. One good, one bad. I do belive you Scorri to be town at this time. The thing is, I need to dig through and list all of those who have been inflicted with the condition, as the role that does this infliction is not town. Wolf or Outlaw.

I am afraid that if you die Scorri, you being a townie- we lose you, but the amount of coincidense in the Twins factor- it is uncertain that if the Twin dies (Leo), you die and visa versa.

... scorri reads this post as saying "scorri is town but scorri still needs to die of the off chance that scorri maybe has a twin who will also die." scorri will state that she is not from Yu-Gi-Oh. scorri does not believe that she is from a specific thing. scorri thinks that she is a character that the mods made up for this game. scorri has no mention whatsoever of a twin or anything like that. scorri really does not like this post at all. scorri sees no reason to sacrifice herself (a townie) on the completely false guess that scorri dying *might* cause someone else to die. scorri finds this idea to be incredibly stupid.

and then Benzo says this:
I have not yet narrowed it down to who could be the one or what allignment, so I do not want to shoot in the dark and since I have even said all of this- you might die tonight, get roof topped, or what not. This I am sorry for if anything happens to you.

sooooooo Benzo takes back everything he says. why bother saying it if Benzo was not going to act on it?

scorri really doesn't like the general attitude of Benzo's post. Why bother saying Benzo is getting a private warning? scorri sees no reason to say that except to try and gain support to a cause which if the cause is argued well there should be no need for that.

scorri also sees the hint that benzo posted.

scorri also would like to remind Benzo that Benzo needs to bold his vote.
 
VOTE: SS7

Scorri- I was not saying that you ARE specifically Yu-Gi-Oh, just found that with you saying "Luna" is all I could dig up as a possibility is all to tri and find some sort of reasoning as to two speach impeds. I also did not say that you need to sacrifice yourself, just looking at Twins over all.

With no kills on wolves so far, what more can I do alone to get this town moving into some sort of direction to rid this town of all the threats we face this game?

I could not bold my vote, silly 3ds- so now I have access to something that can bold- this is to solidify my vote for now and to now take a public warning.

I am taking the chance here Scorri. Not looking to "off" a townie as I do see you as being a townie at this time- but, I go on what is put out, and the Yu-gi-Oh is what I could find as far as research and at least an attempt to piece things to gather to get some of my fellow townies off of my scum list.

I simply am willing to get this out here, as to what we as a town need to do- risk ourselves to a point so that no information is lost if a townie dies who is holding some sort of information, or at least some help like what I have and has continued to do: narrow down things so we can effectivly untie to rid the town of all threats.

Public warning will commenece.............
 
Also Pikamaster, I noticed that my vote for ProHawk has been left off all vote counts since I posted it....

I work from the previous vote count on, so leaving it out has not been intentional. If you would please recast your vote that'll make sure I remember for the next vote count. Thank you.
 
pokemonfreak5, SS7, DC725 (why are your 3 off this wagon? This just give me scum bumps....)


I posted saying my vote would be forthcoming. Then JQ was speedlynched with 2 days left to go.

I'm voting JQ, but not until later in the day. I'd rather not waste the time we have. Though I do forsee this day ending sooner than the deadline, as there is only so much that can be done when the lynch is decided 8 days in advance.




Yeah, I agree that its mostly gut, which was coupled with that Redwall research and those couple of posts.

Would you mind linking that post that you found where your suspicions were sated? That way you can fully explain your thoughts.

SS7- I think you are todays Lynch. Looking at your interactions with Eclipse today, and your vote switching, combined with the last 5 days- your bad news. At the moment and time wise, plus taking a private warning- I do not have time to really build a huge post- but to me it is all there- to me your bad news, and need to be lynched.

VOTE: SS7

SS7- I do belive you need to go. Regardless. Your a great player, but for this game I feel that your a horrible threat to this town.

So you are voting for me based on a purely gut reaction? I had posts and research to back up my gut. You have posted nothing of the sort yet.


2) I think it's important to look back at Waynegg's gambit on D2 and look at the voting. Remember, Waynegg used the gambit to get a quick wagon on him for acting scummy then analyze the votes to pick out wolves who were looking for a quick lynch. These are the votes for Waynegg around when he declared the gambit (from jpulice's list).

Waynegg- 10 (Pokemonfreak5, Dragonclyne725, Glaceon, Human Destroyer, Thunderjolt, JewelQuest, Diaz, Sandslash7, Vablakes, SMP88)


That leaves us with Pokemonfreak5, Dragonclyne725, Thunderjolt and Sandslash7. The 2 that stand out to me are Pokemonfreak5 and Dragonclyne725. Both tried to move quickly on Waynegg then when that failed moved over to Vablakes to attempt to vote him out.

I don't trust these 2 right now. I think both are scum, but since I can only vote for 1, I'll vote for the first one in the list.

VOTE: Pokemonfreak5


Quite interesting. One thing to note is that I wasn't on Wayne's wagon until after he revealed it. I still don't like the method of intentionally acting scummy to then try to benefit the town. If the player is town it gives the wolves too much leeway for their shenanigans. But now it might actually be of some use.


Benzo - I also see no evidence of said "forthcoming" public warning. What is that about?
 
Interestingly enough- this day needs to pick up with some seriouse wolf lynch. And in order to do so- I am going to take a private warning with this post, because I feel that either being NK'd or "roof topped" is not something I want to have happen.

Scorri, you claim Luna- the only info I can dig up that even comes close to the theme of this is Yu-Gi-Oh.

Luna has a twin, Leo. What sticks out is that they are somewhat linked to a group of Enforcers. Your speach imped makes you speak in 3rd person. There is a role that inflicts speach restrictions. Leo is your counter part, plus- WW is rather common to have Twins. One good, one bad. I do belive you Scorri to be town at this time. The thing is, I need to dig through and list all of those who have been inflicted with the condition, as the role that does this infliction is not town. Wolf or Outlaw.

I am afraid that if you die Scorri, you being a townie- we lose you, but the amount of coincidense in the Twins factor- it is uncertain that if the Twin dies (Leo), you die and visa versa.

I have not yet narrowed it down to who could be the one or what allignment, so I do not want to shoot in the dark and since I have even said all of this- you might die tonight, get roof topped, or what not. This I am sorry for if anything happens to you.


SS7- I think you are todays Lynch. Looking at your interactions with Eclipse today, and your vote switching, combined with the last 5 days- your bad news. At the moment and time wise, plus taking a private warning- I do not have time to really build a huge post- but to me it is all there- to me your bad news, and need to be lynched.

VOTE: SS7


SMP88- Touche, friend.

Glaceon, I do at this time believe you to be townie.

Getting killed out in the open does not mean there is a day kill role. I think it is a waste of time to keep looking into how a player is killed due to a one time inncident- as it would be more worth the time to look into it if it was consistant. The role with swords is gone- so, why continue to look into it more.

I really stand next to my vote- I will not change it. Nor will I sit around and let my fellow townies get bullied when we are in the middle of a fight between other unfriendly groups.

We townies need to unite- and take control of the day with what we have in front of us. I can not do this alone, please look into what I have said. Look into what patterns of those who have been inflicted with a speech imped, and they are either town or wolf, as I do think the inflictor is Outlaw. I do not have in real life time to post more on this today, plus I am going to get a warning as it is and I do not want to get mod-killed, let alone roof topped or night killed.

Seriously- the town needs to rally, and I am doing this in attempts to do this: get rid of scum and quit being in the fear zone of being afraid of calling out what you see.

SS7- I do belive you need to go. Regardless. Your a great player, but for this game I feel that your a horrible threat to this town.

You all want action- activity- here it is from me on behalf of what I think will shift the power back into the towns hands- I will TRI to keep doing what I can FOR the best interest of my fellow townies-

1)How are we going to get all of the townies to "Unite" hm? If we could do that, without getting any wolves "on our side" then this game would be too easy :p
2) What is your read on SMP88?
-Also-
I just noticed you posted this:

Scorri- I was not saying that you ARE specifically Yu-Gi-Oh, just found that with you saying "Luna" is all I could dig up as a possibility is all to tri and find some sort of reasoning as to two speach impeds. I also did not say that you need to sacrifice yourself, just looking at Twins over all.

With no kills on wolves so far, what more can I do alone to get this town moving into some sort of direction to rid this town of all the threats we face this game?

I could not bold my vote, silly 3ds- so now I have access to something that can bold- this is to solidify my vote for now and to now take a public warning.

I am taking the chance here Scorri. Not looking to "off" a townie as I do see you as being a townie at this time- but, I go on what is put out, and the Yu-gi-Oh is what I could find as far as research and at least an attempt to piece things to gather to get some of my fellow townies off of my scum list.

I simply am willing to get this out here, as to what we as a town need to do- risk ourselves to a point so that no information is lost if a townie dies who is holding some sort of information, or at least some help like what I have and has continued to do: narrow down things so we can effectivly untie to rid the town of all threats.

Public warning will commenece.............

1) Umm.... What do you mean by a "warning"?
2) Post #1284, You described a VERY long reason as to why you believed SMP88 is scum. SMP88 responded:

No links/quotes, posts taken out of context, and entire chunks of posts not addressed to come up with this narrative.

I don't have time right now to address everything in that post, but I will say this regarding PM. I kept (and keep) questioning him because he posted multiple questionable things per post. I'm not going to just ask 1 question and wait for a response on that before asking another. Just look at 1112 which you say is "pressure questioning". I question the 2 odd things from his post (SS7 and wanting to be lynched), try to figure out what previous games have to do with his post and ask for clarification on his role that he tried to explain in an earlier post. Not sure where "pressure questioning" is in that post.

This happened Day 3. Now, being day 5, You (Benzo) Have not fixed this problem of "No links/qoutes" nor have you brought up this situation as to "SMP88 being scum" again. Why did you even take the time to make this post, nit-picking everything he has said, and not keep to it?

-Now you are voting on SS7. How about another, super long post describing as to why you find him scum? :p
 
There were several posts by PJ stating that the hint was saying PJ's role was related to Mew's. The one that stopped scorri from asking more questions after thinking about it for a bit was this one:
Oooops *slams head on table* ouch. :biggrin:


I'm so confident that if you DO find anything like that I will literally print out the page with that post and eat it. Yes. I will literally eat printer paper.



I know this is not game related but..... LOL.


Now I'm probably like my sister in many ways in WW and this is one of them. I think I dig my own graves:redface:.

Anyways like I said before, I. AM. NOT. MEWTWO.

Please go back and read mew's role and see what might I be claiming about instead of randomly doing this because you are completely and totally GOING THE WRONG WAY!

Have fun.

scorri thinks she realized over that night phase what PJ was talking about and so decided to not follow up on it the next day for ~reasons~
 
SMP88 said:
That leaves us with Pokemonfreak5, Dragonclyne725, Thunderjolt and Sandslash7. The 2 that stand out to me are Pokemonfreak5 and Dragonclyne725. Both tried to move quickly on Waynegg then when that failed moved over to Vablakes to attempt to vote him out.

I don't trust these 2 right now. I think both are scum, but since I can only vote for 1, I'll vote for the first one in the list.
In case you don't remember, I was the one being targeted by Waynegg, so it's not really too surprising that I was suspicious of his sudden attack on me. I only moved over to Vablakes when the Day was coming to a close and I did not want to see a No-Lynch. Why do you not suspect thunderjolt?

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Benzo said:
Scorri, you claim Luna- the only info I can dig up that even comes close to the theme of this is Yu-Gi-Oh.

It is possible that scorri is Luna from Yu-Gi-Oh and has a twin brother, but I'm not really sure why this connects back to SS7. Also, I'm not sure why Luna from Yu-Gi-Oh would have a speaking restriction like scorri's. If I remember correctly, there is also a badger named Luna in the Redwall series, which would relate back to this game quite nicely. I can't seem to find the name online, but I'll try again when my internet connection isn't fighting me :frown:
 
I feel it is likely that scorri is scum.


Scorri has as a speech impediment that requires her to speak in the third person. This is not a role that has been used upon her, but intrinsic to her role.

The only character within the vast number of realms that comprise this game, that speak in the third person, is Shadow, the rat/weasel. He was a spy for Cluny the scourge and an antagonist to the Redwall abbey. Needless to say a bad person. I wouldn't use flavor alone to base my argument on, but based on the game we have it seems likely that in this one instantiation flavor can be useful.



Additionally, scorri's posts have been pretty aloof. Though I do suppose some of that feeling comes from her third person posting restriction. Either way she hasn't really jumped into the fray to seek out scum, preferring to hang back and let other members of the village take charge.

This is a common wolf/scum tactic. Letting others take charge and then following up for the lynch, rather than sticking their neck out to get a player lynched (obvious counter-example being Cabd last game, but whatever). If you risk nothing and stay in the shadows, you can avoid suspicion all together and skirt by through lurking. Now scorri hasn't been truly lurking, as a quick post count shows she's got more posts in-thread than most players.


Another thing of note is her treatment of Pikajewel. She "hounded" PJ on Day 3 when PM and PJ both made secret messages in their posts, asking 3 times for a response about the "mew" message. PJ to this Day has still not clarified her meaning. But scorri dropped the topic when PJ continued to ignore her, and no one else pursued. To be fair, I'm surprised that no one else has tried to follow this train of investigation. Though perhaps that was their plan.


Additionally,

This is another common tactic by scum. Tell a partner scum that they will be voted for at some point "X" in the future unless they do "Y" action. This is a classic way to "pressure" a scum buddy while giving them the exact means to get themselves out of it. The reasoning in-post is valid, but I don't like the feel and the flavor of the statement.



PH has a good point. It appears that HoM doesn't care about the game any more (nor does it look like she ever did). I'm not going to waste my vote on someone who will be modkilled.

UNVOTE: homeofmew
VOTE: scorri



Pikajewel, aside from your posting restriction, can you clarify why you said "MEW" in your post? You also helped with the speedlynch of Jewelquest. This is highly suspicious.

Cannot explain now

Luna is also

from Harry Potter

Look it up.
 
Sandslash7 was talking, along with most of the town, about the wolves. Suddenly, he grabbed his head and his face twisted in pain, and then he died.

He was:

You are Asmodeus Poisonteeth, the last in a long line of giant Adders. You had just cornerd a mouse and a shrew who have stolen your stolen property, the sword of Martin the Warrior, when you were forciblly taken to a strange forest by a power unknown to you. Finding a hole to hide in, you waited to see what kind of creatures were in this new forest, and how dangerous they were. But soon a large being approached you, offering you many trophies to be obtained and a killing ground, should you join a group whose goal was to gain control over a castle and the surrounding lands. You accepted, realizing that many powerful creatures were about, maybe some who could even kill you. Your powers of hypnotism and your venom should prove useful, and soon you'll have many better trophies than that stupid sword. You only wish you could kill that mouse...

Freeze and Kill (Active):
Once during the night, you may choose one player. That player will be role blocked that night, post blocked the next day, and role blocked the next night. The next night, that player must be the target of the wolf kill, and you must be the one to make the kill. This cannot be used consecutive nights.

You are a Werewolf with (other players in the game). You may communicate with each other through PM, IM, email, Skype, etc. at any time during the night phase. Each night, the Packmaster will PM me the name of ONE person. The person who's name they PM me will be killed during the night.

Win Condition: Wolves Win

Again, the rest of the town stared in shock, not daring to speak. Eventually the silence was broken and speech resumed as it had the last time.

Resume Day 5
 
Okay, so with that update, I might actually be useful because I now know what I'm looking for.

Firstly these are the people who voted for and against SS7 that I could find. I'm sure there are more but I didn't read through every post, just the vote counts and those with in a page range of each.

Voted for:
Homeofmew
JewleQuest
Scorri
Vablakes
Waynegg

Voted by:
Eclipse
Benzo

I'd be inclined to say that neither Benzo nor Eclipse are wolves because they voted out on a limb when no one else had voted him. Secondly, there may well be a wolf in the Voted For pile as a prod to keep their play in check. At this stage, however, my reads for wolves are as follows:

From Most Likely to Least Likely:
ProHawk
SMP88
DarthPika
JPulice
Waynegg

I'll give arguments at a later date, but I'd wager that at least one of them is a wolf.
 
At least we have a somewhat competent day-vig. Can we now work on getting another wolf-lynch and make it 2 for 2 :biggrin:

Need more G_Landers votes please.

I somewhat agree with Benson's post. It is pretty unlikely that either HomeofMew or Scorri are apart of the wolf faction.
 
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