Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

What decks do you think will do good at Autumn BR's?

Anyone who thinks Goth has no value as a deck is an idiot. Sorry.
It may not be the best, but tier 3/unplayable status? cmon

the fact that it is even being considered on the same PLANE as beartic, a terrible card, is funny.
 
ace is kinda going a bit "doomsday" on us, but Goth really is a fantastic deck, and a very strong choice for BRs.
 
Guys, Goth is way overrated.and even if it is a tier one, well the thing is is that goth hasn't been tested enough, TyRam and MegaZone will wreck it because of mad consistency and more time in meta (more testing and playing time)
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Gothitelle runs GREAT with Scollipede. Seriously, they are both psychic types and use the same draw engine and energy. BDIF
 
These four decks I expect will do well in BRs.

Tyram
Stage 1s
ZPS
Trainer Lock


1) Tyram- It was the deck to beat in worlds, and it will likely be the deck to beat again for BRs. The deck is the easiest, consistent, and perhaps the cheapest deck in the format. All you need to do is swarm up Typhlosions and lay down a Reshiram and you'll be hitting massive damage every turn. Even with Catcher's release, the deck doesn't really change a bit. Typhlosion has high HP and a solid retreat, so if the opponent wants to disrupt the deck somehow, they have to KO the Typhlosions when they are Cyndaquils or Quilavas. I think this deck will once again do well in Battle Roads, as it hasn't really changed one bit.

2) Stage 1s- With EP's release, the deck gets a lot of fun cards. Catcher is the big one. Now, Donphan and Yanmega can take better advantage of disruption, as both are fast and hard-hitting attackers. Stage 1s also gets Max Potion. Now, Donphan becomes harder to take down, and Yanmega can now heal with ease. The deck can now also use Tornadus, which helps in the mirror in that it prevents stalemates. Indeed, I won't be surprised with Stage 1s manages to win a lot of BRs.

3) ZPS- Now that the deck has Tornadus, it finally has an answer to Donphan. Tornadus is the number #1 Donphan counter out there in that it is a basic, resists fighting, and it 2HKOs Donphan. Catcher is another card that ZPS gets. With Pokemon Catcher, it can now be way more disruptive early in the game since the deck is a speed deck that tries to win it all early in the game. With these two cards, ZPS is finally a good deck, and I do expect it to win a couple of BRs.

4) Trainer Lock- When I mean trainer lock, I'm talking about Gothitelle and Vileplume. When either of the two are combined with Reuniclus, they became an unstoppable force. Ross's deck just proves it, and it is one of the forms of trainer lock that will most likely win a lot of BRs. It has so many good Pokemon that it can easily take care of any metagame threat. Ross's deck is one of the decks that uses Vileplume, which has the advantage to trainer lock from the bench, but it prevents you from using trainers as well. This is where Gothitelle comes in. It is the opposite in terms of Vileplume. It needs to be active in order to trainer lock, and only your opponent can't use trainers. With Gothitelle, you can use trainers, which is the main plus of it. The only major problem is that it is a slow attacker, so it doesn't have a strong early game. However, with Twins and Reuniclus, it allows the deck to have a very good late game, being able to tank in that there is almost no way to OHKO Gothitelle besides an opposing Gothitelle or a Magnezone with 3 energies out. Surely, I can expect both Vileplume (mainly Ross's deck though) and Gothitelle variants to also win a lot of BRs.

These 4 decks, I believe, have the strongest chance in doing well this upcoming Battle Roads. Tier 2 decks, however, like Megazone and Magneboar, also have a good chance of winning several Battle Roads.

Whatever it may be, this upcoming BRs season is sure to be interesting.:smile:
 
>_< Masters. I mean. If you can't see it, then I guess that's just better for us who do. Gothitelle will win A LOT of Battle Roads.

Internal Draw - Doesn't matter. Supporters and Trainer engines are more than sufficient. Does Donphan or Beartic have internal draw? <_<
Efficient Damage Output - DCE + Psychic for 50 is more than enough. Gothitelle doesn't get killed...
Energy Acceleration - Jirachi + Shaymin if you so desire... again, nothing more than DCE + Psychic is needed...
Speed - Turn 2 every game? Yea. That is speedy.

1.Internal Draw- Thats PROBABLY the reason why donphan and beartic arent good...because they dont have their own draw engine
2.Efficient damage output:If you look at ross's deck, he has the ability to do A LOT of damage for 2 energy. You cant even attack for 2 energy without one being a DCE. And you do 50...LOL.
3.Energy Accel:Why rely on flips for accel, and you do need more than dce+psychic, you dont kill things with 50 damage per turn.
4.Speed-Turn 2 every game huh....in such a slow and bulky format with 0 speed trainers you expect to get a T2 stage 2 every game? Sounds fantastic.

But wait...if you can get a t2 gothitelle every game...cant i get a t2 plume every game? Meaning you only win games when you win the opening flip? Think about it :p
 
Well, im not saying it is a bad deck, Im simply saying it isnt even close to the hype that ace is giving it.
 
Let's not forget how powerful Magneboar is against typhlosion/reshiram and trainer lock, often one hitting the most powerful pokemon in the game.
 
Why are people still mentioning ANYTHING with Magnezone? I mean... Catcher/Donphan/dead... I really don't see where any of this hate is coming from when my points are valid, and then people mention Magnezone as a top deck. It's laughable at best. You speak of internal draw engines... you want me to fit Ninetails and Magnezone in every deck I create? Since, you know, those are the only draw engines out there that actually wor-... oh wait. Catcher. Get some sense people. Trainer lock is devastating. And one way trainer lock is even moreso.
 
Magnezone/Yanmega is still a viable deck, don't allow yourself to be fooled. It's still a big game of rock paper scissors.

Magnezone decks beat lock variants.
Donphan/Tyram/stage ones beat Magnezone variants
Lock variants beat Donphan/Tyram/Under_130.dek
 
>_< Masters. I mean. If you can't see it, then I guess that's just better for us who do. Gothitelle will win A LOT of Battle Roads.

Internal Draw - Doesn't matter. Supporters and Trainer engines are more than sufficient. Does Donphan or Beartic have internal draw? <_<
Efficient Damage Output - DCE + Psychic for 50 is more than enough. Gothitelle doesn't get killed...
Energy Acceleration - Jirachi + Shaymin if you so desire... again, nothing more than DCE + Psychic is needed...
Speed - Turn 2 every game? Yea. That is speedy.

Look champ, the point is not that it cannot win a couple. The point is that it is not at the top of the list. I guarantee you that if Goth.dec wins during the first weekend, Mew Prime will be played the second weekend and truck stop Goth.dec. The point is that the deck is geared towards beating only one type of meta and is not nearly as adaptable as Vileplume decks, which are clearly the superior locking decks.

The deck has a couple auto-losses that it cannot do anything about, because you HAVE to have Goth active for the deck to work. The moment you put up a counter to attack you lose Reuncilus.

Also, my point about the draggers is completely viable. If lock decks become huge, you better believe that people are going to tech in a dragger (Bellsprout, Liepard, Muk) just to take out the bench sitters. And Jirachi is a great threat. So, I play Jirachi down, drop a Rainbow, push two or three more energy onto it, and de-evolve 3/4 of your Pokemon. How easily are you going to recover from that? What if I Judge away your hand right before doing that? It is a tough situation for locking decks to be in. No to mention that you probably just lost a couple Goth basics because you were using the benched Goths to hold damage to be removed with Blissey Prime.

Finally, don't spout off about guaranteed turn two stage 2s. Can if happen? Yes. Does it normally happen like that in real life? No. You need so much right to happen. That is a craptastic hypothetical to put about in favor of Goth.dec.
 
Why are people still mentioning ANYTHING with Magnezone? I mean... Catcher/Donphan/dead... I really don't see where any of this hate is coming from when my points are valid, and then people mention Magnezone as a top deck. It's laughable at best. You speak of internal draw engines... you want me to fit Ninetails and Magnezone in every deck I create? Since, you know, those are the only draw engines out there that actually wor-... oh wait. Catcher. Get some sense people. Trainer lock is devastating. And one way trainer lock is even moreso.

So you're in masters right? Dude, how can you say that you'll beat someone with a Goth that has DCE+Psychic on it? Also, I'm not even that good with getting Goth out on turn 2 like that, so I doubt that you are. You're just giving ajhawk (whatever his name is) more of a reason to rip you to shreds on here. Everything you're saying right now is making Gothitelle decks look bad. Shoot, you're making me look bad. :frown:

Now you're right about Donphan screwing Magnezone over, but I'm sure zone players will be prepared for that. (Yamega Prime, Tornadus) Your points on Gothitelle aren't valid. THAT's where all the hate is coming from. PLEASE slow your roll and chill a little bit. listen to some of the other people who are posting in this thread and soak up some knowlege. You don't have to win every argument to get your point across. If you know you're right and you've tested it, then that's all that matters, and you're the only person it should matter to.

These are the decks that Gothitelle will face off against in a couple of weeks.

TyRam
Reshiboar/RDL
Yamega/Magnezone
Donphan varients
Vileplume Varients

In that list, there are 2 Pokemon that could OHKO Gothitelle. One of those decks won worlds last month. You need to make sure you can set up properly, and somehow make sure those guys DON'T come out. If they do, then it's pretty much over for you. The rest is up to you and your testing. Good luck. :smile:

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P.S. I forgot to list Zekrom/Tornadus. If they're able to go off in the beginning, then it's over for you.
 
So you're in masters right? Dude, how can you say that you'll beat someone with a Goth that has DCE+Psychic on it? Also, I'm not even that good with getting Goth out on turn 2 like that, so I doubt that you are. You're just giving ajhawk (whatever his name is) more of a reason to rip you to shreds on here. Everything you're saying right now is making Gothitelle decks look bad. Shoot, you're making me look bad. :frown:

Amphy, I'm not out to tear anyone to "shreds." I am out to raise valid points about why and how Gothitelle can struggle. That's all. I have not gotten satisfactory answers to some of my points, so I'll keep asking them.
 
I really don't see where any of this hate is coming from when my points are valid

Even if your points are valid, as long as you go through life acting like everything you say is gospel and everything everyone else says is stupid, and in addition to that do so in an extremely rude fashion, you will always get "hate."

Personally, I was thinking about using a Jirachi to hurt Gothitelle's field. Its very likely that either Reu or Gothitelle were set up using rare candies (and if not, I probably set up as or more quickly than them and am in a less precarious position). Has anyone actually tested RDL? I like that it can 2HKO Gothitelle for two prizes, but in a Tyram deck unless you have three Typhlosion running you have to worry about them catchering it for their own OHKO for two prizes.
 
I can second this.... Just saying his list is really consistent and reliable.

Thanks. I'll do a right up somewhere once battleroads either start to wrap up or I just flat out get bored and want to do an article. Goths.a threatthat should be the only point thrown out here. I'm not really in to arguing over it but I typically know what I'm talking about when I back a deck..
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Thanks. I'll do a right up somewhere once battleroads either start to wrap up or I just flat out get bored and want to do an article. Goths.a threatthat should be the only point thrown out here. I'm not really in to arguing over it but I typically know what I'm talking about when I back a deck..
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Just wondering, have you tested against donchamp yet? Donphan would probably take 1 or 2 prizes before you set up trainer lock, then a player could send up a machamp with fighting tag to knock out gothitelle in a single hit... and you cant return the KO.. Well I suppose you could if you ran pluspower.. (Do you? Idk your list that well.. Just from what I saw when you played ryan)
 
Who's running RDL in TyRam? :eek:

To my (very limited) knowledge no one. But Tyram is what I was thinking of running at BR so I noted that it wouldn't work in my deck. Maybe I worded it poorly. Oh well.

Edit: Actually I think I read your Reshiboar/RDL as Reshiphlosion/RDL. Woops. Sorry.
 
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