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Kingdra is good against Ampharos if it uses Dialga G lvX and Machamp won't be replaced by Rampardos because of rampardos' bad late game power.
What decks will still survive from Citys to States?
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DarkJake
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I like how your signature quote is there to attempt to insinuate that a player uses immoral tactics and now you suggest that every player that would play Regigigas should use an immoral tactic. Lol...
supertyranitar
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Of that list of City decks that survive Platinum, Kingdra, Dusknoir, and Gigas are the prime choices. Granted, Snow, IMO, COULD actually be viable too, but it's hard to say.
I'm expecting to see both Rampardos and Champ, but I actually expect to see more Rampardos due to the Toxicroak G. Toxicroak would just ram through it from being so fast, and it'll most likely be popular at States, making the better option Rampardos. The only reason Champ doesn't have a chance is because ToxiTank is practically it's kryptonite in basic form.
However, Dusknoir should still be good for states. Yes, ToxiTank isn't exactly a positive match-up for it, but Mighty-Tank can be avoided via Azelf X (after all, they won't play Dialga G X, they can't afford to). It won't be the best play, but it's not a horrid play for States (I actually think it's best solo, just because one doesn't have to waste time to get anything else out). It can take on Kingdra, Gigas (it's a close match-up, and both have the chance of winning, Gigas more so unless the Noir player is really skilled), and Champ. Rampardos I wouldn't know, but because of the body, Rampardos probably has that game (but with it also being a donk deck, bad starts hurt it severely).
Gigas just received the order to go into full drive with this set. So what if Rampardos could be active, that's one bad match-up against how many good ones? While I believe Rampardos will be somewhat popular, I don't think it'll be ridiculously popular to the point of making Gigas unplayable. Thus, I'd give Gigas the thumbs up as a states deck.
And finally, Kingdra. Kingdra has managed to survive this long, and this set hasn't really dealt any harsh blows to it (Manectric/Ampharos is about the only real threat, and even then...I don't see it doing much to Kingdra). It's speed keeps it going, and it can easily be a good choice that survives through this set. ToxiTank doesn't do too much to it, and Mighty-Tank is meh against it, what with poisoning itself. Kingdra can take the abuse, and then deal it right back to Mightyena. Amphy/Manectric, the only reason this match-up would be hard is because of weakness (more than likely, Dialga G X will find it's place in here too).
I'm expecting to see both Rampardos and Champ, but I actually expect to see more Rampardos due to the Toxicroak G. Toxicroak would just ram through it from being so fast, and it'll most likely be popular at States, making the better option Rampardos. The only reason Champ doesn't have a chance is because ToxiTank is practically it's kryptonite in basic form.
However, Dusknoir should still be good for states. Yes, ToxiTank isn't exactly a positive match-up for it, but Mighty-Tank can be avoided via Azelf X (after all, they won't play Dialga G X, they can't afford to). It won't be the best play, but it's not a horrid play for States (I actually think it's best solo, just because one doesn't have to waste time to get anything else out). It can take on Kingdra, Gigas (it's a close match-up, and both have the chance of winning, Gigas more so unless the Noir player is really skilled), and Champ. Rampardos I wouldn't know, but because of the body, Rampardos probably has that game (but with it also being a donk deck, bad starts hurt it severely).
Gigas just received the order to go into full drive with this set. So what if Rampardos could be active, that's one bad match-up against how many good ones? While I believe Rampardos will be somewhat popular, I don't think it'll be ridiculously popular to the point of making Gigas unplayable. Thus, I'd give Gigas the thumbs up as a states deck.
And finally, Kingdra. Kingdra has managed to survive this long, and this set hasn't really dealt any harsh blows to it (Manectric/Ampharos is about the only real threat, and even then...I don't see it doing much to Kingdra). It's speed keeps it going, and it can easily be a good choice that survives through this set. ToxiTank doesn't do too much to it, and Mighty-Tank is meh against it, what with poisoning itself. Kingdra can take the abuse, and then deal it right back to Mightyena. Amphy/Manectric, the only reason this match-up would be hard is because of weakness (more than likely, Dialga G X will find it's place in here too).
Ignatious
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Wow, all this talk about mad match ups for Dusknoir. I personally disagree. One Powered up Dusknoir SF-1 will always take about two prizes, assuming the SP deck will always have a stream of three energy, if they don't, then that's at least 1-2 more prizes on top of the two it already got. Night Spin just destroys Toxicroak so hard, not to mention the many other Psychic pokemon in Dusknoir that can OHKO or 2HKO Toxicroak.
I would never say this match up is as bad as many believe it to be.
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Deck scouting is immoral? I thought is was normal for people to do that, even if it's not subconsciously.
I would never say this match up is as bad as many believe it to be.
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blastoise1992
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Which sets are these from?
DarkJake
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So you go around looking over people's shoulders as they write out their lists during a tournament, and you think that's fair? This is one of the reasons I type all of my lists at home, lol...to avoid stupidity such as this.
Regarding that Mightyena argument...you get a slightly better 'mirror' (Toxi/Tank) and Dusknoir match up while getting a significantly worse Kingdra, Ampharos, Torterra, Regigigas, anything that plays Dialga GX matchup. I think you need to realize that you could just play Weavile G to take care of Dusknoir and also know that not many people will be running G decks, and even fewer will be running them correctly.
Ignatious
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I don't personally do it on purpose, but it happens. I glance over and see that player A is using Gigas. Woot for me. Also, how is it not fair for deck scouting to occur? Everyone can do it just as well as the next guy, nothing unfair about it. Call it stupidity, but it will always happen and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
DarkJake
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I guess if I shoot you in the face there's not much you could do to stop me...doesn't mean I should go around doing that. I'm not sure how to respond to your question. If a person wants people to know what he's playing he'll give out his list to the participants as a hand-out...hmmm I don't think anyone does this, I guess I should conclude no one wants others to know what they're playing...wow what a surprise =/
Ignatious
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Lol. Shooting someone in the face is illegal, and for some reason, killing someone seems worse than looking at someone's deck. I guess that's just me, though.
Like you said, no one wants their decks to be peeked at, I never questioned that, not in the slightest. Because of this, just hide your deck list. Simple as that.blastoise1992
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I hear Austin Reed is good at pokemonz. REMEMBER HOW YOU GOT YOUR TRIP ON A COIN FLIP.
Naki Feralkin
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^ Who cares how Austin got his worlds trip? He still did well at Worlds as a whole and if you're that bitter about it, maybe you should try harder yourself? I thought it has been established that this game has a partial base on luck and some people do have luck for it, however the kid also does have skill as he has been proving here and there at cities in Ohio. Cut the flaming and get on topic.
A lot of the G-decks won't even let Dusknoir get to that level, which is the problem. You can dump out a wall in front of it, but then you're allowing the G deck the time to get its 3 or more energies. If I see Dusknoir, I will set up a Toxicroak almost immediatly and try getting my offensive on him ASAP. If I don't donk your Duskull's (or Dusclop's if I have to), I'm already hitting for AT LEAST 50 a turn (If not more through Crobats) in addition to your turn coming to mine which gives you an extra 10 if you have not evolved. In addition the deck will run Dialga G Level X which makes Spirit Pulse almost useless, and Power Sprays will ensure you do nothing with Dark Palm. You can Lumineon all you want because I will not hesitate to fill my bench as I'm really not that afraid of DP with this deck.
Plus, if Amphytric does see play, it will wall it all night. Heck, even Ramparados has the speed to dominate it. I just can't see it as a threat with a lot of the new stuff running rampant.
A lot of the G-decks won't even let Dusknoir get to that level, which is the problem. You can dump out a wall in front of it, but then you're allowing the G deck the time to get its 3 or more energies. If I see Dusknoir, I will set up a Toxicroak almost immediatly and try getting my offensive on him ASAP. If I don't donk your Duskull's (or Dusclop's if I have to), I'm already hitting for AT LEAST 50 a turn (If not more through Crobats) in addition to your turn coming to mine which gives you an extra 10 if you have not evolved. In addition the deck will run Dialga G Level X which makes Spirit Pulse almost useless, and Power Sprays will ensure you do nothing with Dark Palm. You can Lumineon all you want because I will not hesitate to fill my bench as I'm really not that afraid of DP with this deck.
Plus, if Amphytric does see play, it will wall it all night. Heck, even Ramparados has the speed to dominate it. I just can't see it as a threat with a lot of the new stuff running rampant.
blastoise1992
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Lol, it's an inside joke. =P
G decks would take FOREVER to get 3 energy on everything. Dusknoir OHKO's Togicroak with Night Spin, the next Togicroak better have 3 energy on it, or it will just do absolutely nothing to Dusknoir and get OHKO'd too. It wouldn't be hard for Dusknoir decks to tech in a 1/1 Mewtwo lv.X just for the auto-win if they can tell the G deck isn't running any evolutions. If the G deck is running Mightyena tech, I could see the matchup being either way, since weakness + poison could hurt Dusknoir a lot, but Togicroak is never going to intimidate Dusknoir because it cannot OHKO it, while Dusknoir can OHKO Togicroak and force the G deck into a position where they need to put triple the energy onto all their Pokemon just to do anything to Dusknoir.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
lolganium
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no he's right. gigas has alot of problems, particularly with fighting stuff that does 80 damage in one hit... and i went to a city that was machamp dominated with gigas (though i went 2-2 which wasnt actually bad in the circumstances)
i like the idea of reviving AMU, bleak though i see it being :/
Ghetto Overlord
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uh....Im going to have to go with yeppers on this one skippy
lolganium
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i played against a noir today.... i just retreated up the honch and hit the bench :/
tbh again noir dont let the noir get 1 counter on it and utilise warp point. kill everything that got it setup and keeps it looking good ... cause unless you can ohko the non-lvx noir you may as well just not touch it so not to get ohko'd...
chriscobi634
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Naki Feralin's analysis is that of how you picture a perfect start to happen for G Decks and a horrible for Dusknoir. Dusknoir does have other attackers like Uxie Lv.X, to keep up with the speed of G Decks. From there it has to power somthing up to 3 Energies, then have something else to respond quick after that gets OHKO. So while G decks may take the early advantage Dusknoir can keep up with and it's not an Auto-loss as you make it out to be. It's probably a 60-40 either way or 50-50.
squirtlesquad
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Not really, you can use brongzong SP to help you minpulate the energy to how you need. 2 bronzong on the bench 1 weaville active some crowbats a honchrow you can pretty much have 3 energies on any one pokemon, you just need to know how to pilot the deck.