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Dom said:
This game is not about fun.
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THIS IS WHY WIZARDS ORIGIONALLY TOOK OUR DVISION AWAY!!!!!!

Back when WOTC has this game they said we would never have a division again due to the game play was to crazy and they felt this was a KIDS GAME!!! We Got Luckyyyyy!! If it wasent for the protest that WE all did WE wouldent be here complaining and making this game vibrant.

Before you say this game is no fun you think that we may not of had a game a few years ago. Not having fun in this game was the reason we almost lost it in the beginning. This game is and always will be a fun game that is competitive but a way to enjoy yourself. If this game wasent fun it would be DEAD RIGHT NOW!!!! I bet you that if this game had alot of people who werent having fun it wouldent have a base because it dosent have a magic base that can hold itself up. Its full of kinds that are enjoying themselves and parents who love it. You try to make this into a magic based game and see what happens. You will:
SOTG=Spirit Of The Game!!

1)lose kids in this game
2)Lose new players who want to come into a FUN game
3) lose interest to players who loved the SOTG
4) SOTG is gonna DIE!!!!

The more people are not having fun the more interest goes away and peopel start saying,this game is no fun anymore. Ive seen more people leave this game due to lack of respect in battles and people just acting all sore during a battle. (i can use other wards but they are to explicit)

I cant see why this game has gone downhill and why stuff like shaking hands and saying good game is going away but if it continues i will say one thing. THIS GAME WILL FALL APART!!!!!!
 
FireFighter095ReBorn said:
THIS IS WHY WIZARDS ORIGIONALLY TOOK OUR DVISION AWAY!!!!!!

Back when WOTC has this game they said we would never have a division again due to the game play was to crazy and they felt this was a KIDS GAME!!! We Got Luckyyyyy!! If it wasent for the protest that WE all did WE wouldent be here complaining and making this game vibrant.

Before you say this game is no fun you think that we may not of had a game a few years ago. Not having fun in this game was the reason we almost lost it in the beginning. This game is and always will be a fun game that is competitive but a way to enjoy yourself. If this game wasent fun it would be DEAD RIGHT NOW!!!! I bet you that if this game had alot of people who werent having fun it wouldent have a base because it dosent have a magic base that can hold itself up. Its full of kinds that are enjoying themselves and parents who love it. You try to make this into a magic based game and see what happens. You will:
SOTG=Spirit Of The Game!!

1)lose kids in this game
2)Lose new players who want to come into a FUN game
3) lose interest to players who loved the SOTG
4) SOTG is gonna DIE!!!!

The more people are not having fun the more interest goes away and peopel start saying,this game is no fun anymore. Ive seen more people leave this game due to lack of respect in battles and people just acting all sore during a battle. (i can use other wards but they are to explicit)

I cant see why this game has gone downhill and why stuff like shaking hands and saying good game is going away but if it continues i will say one thing. THIS GAME WILL FALL APART!!!!!!
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Your argument fell at the first sentence: "THIS IS WHY WIZARDS ORIGIONALLY TOOK OUR DIVISION AWAY!!!!!!" You don't rationalize a company's horrible decision with stuff like that. I'm sorry, but the truth is that the game was selling poorly, so Wizards needed to make a scapegoat out of the entire division.

Your last point is good.
 
Such threads and things discussed in them are what make new players , such as myself, seriously think are we going to play a game like this?

In my case I don't care much, the reason I do not start is because I waste a huge amount of time playing yugioh just to get an ivite to the European Championship.

Now in Pokemon there is no such thing, I don't even need to quilfy for the UK Nats, I just need to deal out the cash to travel to it.
But...
What about the fact people take the game too seriously? Will I really have fun wiht people being such ***'s? Will I enjoy playing the same decks over and over again for the whole day? Will I be satisfied about spending so much money to attend and it not being worth it?

Option 2 I deal out more cash to buy one of the big decks. I spend more money and get bored even faster.

I don't like that option as I like to play so called 'rogue' or tier 2-3 decks in any TCG I play no matter what it is. Why? Because I like to be different.

[Note: I spent a lot of money over the months of november,december to get a complete D+P1 set , just to lose the folder with the Holos and Rares and UC's aswell as some other LV X's]

Which leads me to the next point money.
Some of these Nessary LV X cards can cost a good bit of money. I also have to keep up with each new set , and with each set some of my older cards lose there use.

That is just my thoughts on the subject.

DM14
 
darkmagick15 said:
Such threads and things discussed in them are what make new players , such as myself, seriously think are we going to play a game like this?

In my case I don't care much, the reason I do not start is because I waste a huge amount of time playing yugioh just to get an ivite to the European Championship.

Now in Pokemon there is no such thing, I don't even need to quilfy for the UK Nats, I just need to deal out the cash to travel to it.
But...
What about the fact people take the game too seriously? Will I really have fun wiht people being such ***'s? Will I enjoy playing the same decks over and over again for the whole day? Will I be satisfied about spending so much money to attend and it not being worth it?

Option 2 I deal out more cash to buy one of the big decks. I spend more money and get bored even faster.

I don't like that option as I like to play so called 'rogue' or tier 2-3 decks in any TCG I play no matter what it is. Why? Because I like to be different.

[Note: I spent a lot of money over the months of november,december to get a complete D+P1 set , just to lose the folder with the Holos and Rares and UC's aswell as some other LV X's]

Which leads me to the next point money.
Some of these Nessary LV X cards can cost a good bit of money. I also have to keep up with each new set , and with each set some of my older cards lose there use.

That is just my thoughts on the subject.

DM14
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You don't actually have to spend a lot of money on cards to do well, and once you start winning you won't even have to buy any more cards. From states my family and I won 3 1/3 boxes of cards, $900 to go to Nats and 3 Origins badges. So if you manage to do well the money you spend on decks starts paying off. IMO any deck you build will probably cost about the same amount this year. It is a much cheaper format now that transceivers are gone and there isn't any one MUST HAVE card.
 
meganium45 said:
If I have said it once, I have said it a MILLION times.

The TRULY elite players are always having fun, and playing in the SOTG from what I have seen.

I have seen a lot of elite players lose, get up, and shake hands, even at times get emotional win or lose.

The lack of sportsmanship is not from the elite players.

The lack of sportsmanship is from the players who think they are elite.

When you think you are better than you are, you do whatever it takes to make you be as good as you think you are, even bending some rules.

Some people put in the hard work to get there, others use shortcuts to do it.

What are the shortcuts? Stalling. Gamesmanship. Rushing.

These are cheap tactics that I have seen go almost away from last year to this year.

Maybe we are less tolerant of clown shoes. I certainly am.

Maybe players have figured it out.

You want a great time, play with Ness, Dolzeal, Fulop, Pooka, Ballard, Lucas, Chuck, the Silvestros, the Peruccas, the Craigs, most of the better Junior and Senior players, and a ton of players I am probably missing out on! They go into every match knowing they have a shot to win or lose, and accept losses, for the most part, in a superior way.

One of the coolest comments I ever heard from one of them, playing against someone they thought was stalling was, "Dude, beat me if you are going to beat me...but don't beat me THAT way!"

Vince
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:clap::clap: This is the only way you can describe this topic. This is the perfect way to say everything that needs to be said.

I only add this. Its not only the elite players who show SOTG. I play in Massachusetts and 90% of the players there who are either elite or way below elite status always show SOTG. Its amazing how good/bad they do and most of them will shake hands,smile and enjoy the tourney regardless of the way its run. So yes i agree with this but remember it all depends where u play. Some areas have ALOT more SOTG from ALOT of players no matter what age it is.

If you want SOTG shown in its purest form i recommend to go to Milford Massachusetts and see a tourney run there. There are your occasional sour grapes but ALOT of kids and adults there are smiling,having a ball and enjoying this game for what its worth. :biggrin:

Lastly for this quote :clap::clap::clap:
 
you are right, we have had a big decrease in the amount of players at our league, one even quit because he lost...........
 
FF095RB Thanks for your props...

It falls DEEPER than that too.

There are organizers out there, myself included, who will let this game go if it gets to the level that it is not enjoyable for the people I am mainly concerned with, my kids.

If there are enough older players (and all players) out there making me and my kids miserable, then we will back off of this game.

What keeps us strong is the VAST number of GREAT new families and old families that we enjoy being around, spending time with and competing against!!!

There are the rotten apples in the bunches, but like most bad fruit, you have two choices. Isolate them and throw them out, or let them stay in and make the whole bunch rotten.

I have said it before, I will say it again, many times in this game it is addition by subtraction.

Losing "bad players" will hurt your numbers briefly, then your area will grow, as the game will get more fun for all participants.

Vince
 
Cyrus said:
I'm sorry, but the truth is that the game was selling poorly, so Wizards needed to make a scapegoat out of the entire division.
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JK you usually know what you're about, but I have to say your incredibly far from the mark on this one. The truth is out there, in our historical archives of WizPOT, in one of MTM's last posts, where he in effect comes clean and says mananagement had 15+ closed to re-direct them into other WotC properties (M:TG). If that's what you meant by scapegoat, then we're talking about the same thing.
 
FireFighter095ReBorn said:
We Got Luckyyyyy!! If it wasent for the protest that WE all did WE wouldent be here complaining and making this game vibrant.
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Respectfully disagree.

We did not get lucky.

Prof program & 15+ divisions in super battle zone were 15+ stopgaps due entirely to the cleverness and persistence of the WotC customer service MTs in the face of orders from above to steer 15+ into other games.

It seems to me that when PUI took over, they too knew the strength of the older set. Yes, partly our protests, but I tend to think they were very aware of the vital role the 15+ play in this game, not only for their own age group, but for the younger groups as well.

I seriously doubt we'd lose the 15+ group. My impression of the PUI OP staff is that they both love and are unafraid of everyone in 15+. If there were problems where families with younger kids were leaving (globally, I know of at least 1 instance specifically) due to conduct of the 15+ at premiere events, the current leadership would fix that conduct, not axe the division.
 
About the 'we hate the meta' part of this

As to the whole, 'this meta is boring' deal. My view is this:
  1. Seen these doldrums before, yet OP is stronger than ever.
  2. Just wait, like the weather, the meta will change.
  3. The structural problems, which create this issue from time to time, aren't going away.
If you like to play your various opponents, tech it up, compete, and perhaps consider the situation as if it were a 'sealed deck' competition, you can still enjoy things, now , hugely.

This is no where near the 'same-old same-old' situation as chess, poker, etc.

If it's killing you the way it is, the 'Gym is here for you to discuss those feelings. However, I certainly hope no one is holding their breath waiting for the release system to change significantly. No inside info, but I don't see any of the proposals to fix this that have a full scope answer to how to change the releases in a practical way.
 
Aw, shucks, Kim, it is your party, so I won't deal with the back, to back, to back posts.

Criticizing the owners is usually BAD.

The 15+ add a certain determination and flavor not seen in the other divisions, and for the most part they are good.

I have expressed my view about the rest previously.

Vince
 
There will always be issues, but for some reason, most serious players keep coming back. Those reasons vary, but without a doubt, it centers around how phenominal Pokemon OP is. Ask any other TCG company, and most will point to POP as a premier, family-oriented organization.

For me, only one TCG surpasses Pokemon in game mechanics - Decipher's Lord of the Rings. But Decipher's OP is bismall. Compared to LOTR, I was always see Pokemon as a lesser TCG - game-wise. However, POP is the "ticket" that I can't help buying. Without POP, I'd be selling my collection on E-bay.
 
My bad, but I don't see too much actually wrong with this game.I'd like to see more scholarship $
at regionals, more paid invites. But I can live with the current system - even with it's "flaws".

Sorry Kim, but the complaints about the current format ARE legit. Will it get better? I sure hope
so. But things ARE kind of stale right now IMHO- regardless of how strong you say OP is ( and
i agree with you concerning this). Just look at how the 2 big decks just dominated states.
Regionals will be pretty much the same. MD will help this problem. Maybe add a deck or 2
into the mix, maybe give us a hard counter for the "big 2", we'll see. Aside from the lv x's I don't
know what we are getting so I'll get back to you on this.

As for the 15 +, I couldn't agree with what Vince said more!! Maybe not the money makers for PUI
but certainly the backbone of OP in terms of what decks are played by ALL age groups- NO
denying this.

Our #'s aren't too bad either :)

John
 
Different time, same argument. During the NEO days, it was Gatr, Entei/Magcargo, Slowking/something. Now, it's GG, Fire.

The meta-game is somewhat predictable, which made a States win by my kid somewhat easy (he played Banette/tech).

Leagues are more fun than tournaments because I see more variety. But then tournament time comes and players revert to old, reliable, boring, seen-that, need-premier-points decks.

If you come to MTW Regionals, don't expect it to be easy. Meta and anti-meta is everywhere here, even by our top players. Even with all the GGs at CO States, only 1 made it to Top 4 in masters, and it didn't win.

Personally, I think the meta-game IS diverse from my perspective.
 
SteveP said:
Leagues are more fun than tournaments because I see more variety. But then tournament time comes and players revert to old, reliable, boring, seen-that, need-premier-points decks.
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That always happens, so many red face paint decks that nobody plays... (Including me)
 
I see nothing wrong with the game in its current state, I only see a few problems with the current format.
A lack of originality tends to happen from time to time, such as last year with the "cookie cutter" delta decks that were everywhere. I also seem to recall the days of Neo, where there was basically 3 decks and that was all.
The format still has rouges that can work, as Mr. Ballard and the Currays of FL have shown us, it just takes testing, patience, intelegence, and a bit of originality to make them work, something of which most players utterly lack.

The point system made the game a bit more cutthroat, but it still seems like a better solution than Gym Challenges. The simple answer for this problem is that there IS NO ANSWER to the problem... yet. The point system was only created recently, and thus is still under development. A few kinks need to be worked, for sure, but even with the flaws, it is still a much more fair system than our previous one.
 
When you start to separate "elite" players its when the game stops being fun. Its not really anything new, I noticed when I got back into the game again 3 years ago, just people realize it at different times.
 
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