what is the BDIF
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TheGeneral
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Bright Look + Healing Breath + DCE + Power Sprays.....you really can't go wrong with that much disruption and speed.
machampion12
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Luxchomp is fairly good but I beleive that it is overrated. Not only that but it is taking away almost every idea deck that people want to make.:frown: What I mean by that is that people aren't even trying to build new decks as they know that they will play Luxchomp and they instead just end up playing a deck to beat Luxchomp. Or teching a new deck until it is almost unrecognizable as it's own deck, but more of a mere counter to Luxchomp.:nonono:
Suicide
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BDIF doesn't mean that it has no weakness or counter it just means that overall it outperforms any other deck which I feel Luxchomp does not. Personally I think the title for BDIF is between G-dos and Luxchomp. In testing i found that luxchomp and g-dos are 50/50 and that both decks comparatively do well against most of the format.
Kayle
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It's Luxchomp... the mixture of speed, consistency and its ability to hit anything it wants at any given time makes it kinda obvious that it's Luxchomp...
Any deck that is stronger than Luxchomp, is slower. Any deck that is stronger than Luxchomp and isn't slower, is inconsistent.
Gyarados is slower. Cursegar is slower.
Jumpluff is inconsistent.
And no deck can hit whatever it wants like Luxchomp can.
Any deck that is stronger than Luxchomp, is slower. Any deck that is stronger than Luxchomp and isn't slower, is inconsistent.
Gyarados is slower. Cursegar is slower.
Jumpluff is inconsistent.
And no deck can hit whatever it wants like Luxchomp can.
Team_Rocket_Prodigy
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Alot of people played claydol ex shiftry ex too because some people said so :tongue:
I think that luxchomp I supposed could be called the bdif. But there are nearly endless possibilities with pokemon and alot of those havn't been tested yet. lux chomp was hyped tested alot and people watered at the mouth at the idea of a garchomp with a DCE therefore a ton of peolpe played it and it is a great deck and is doing well. So yah it probably is the best deck in the format as of right now, but I don't think it has the best potential it is overrated and has taken alot of fun and creativity out of the game. Though just pointing out that I went to 2 states and played g dos both times and went and lost to lux chomp once after 7 turns of dead draw after 3 mulligans and still lost on a flip when it was 1 prize each, but thats a different story. The point is I had the correct techs and my matchup against luxchomp in testing was near 70-80% and it showed for I beat them at states.
blacksmithy
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That would be luxchomp. With HS came DCE which only enhanced the deck. Of course donphan also arrived as a potential counter for LuxChomp, but how many states did it win? You can count them on one finger if i'm not mistaken. Luxchomp is, and will be, the BDIF until something that can beat both it and other top-tier decks is released.
I think that if you can get set up with flygon you win.
It doesnt matter if you have the best deck at your tourney, you still have to be a really good player.
Who cares what the BDIF is... Usually the best PLAYER at the tourney wins. lol
The only advantage of running the BDIF is that it gives you a potential better chance at beating the top players.
LUXCHOMP
It doesnt matter if you have the best deck at your tourney, you still have to be a really good player.
Who cares what the BDIF is... Usually the best PLAYER at the tourney wins. lol
The only advantage of running the BDIF is that it gives you a potential better chance at beating the top players.
LUXCHOMP
Against what? It doesn't matter if flygon gets set up against luxchomp because Dragon rush KO's it and you are left with nothing. Flygon loses against Jumpluff and Gyarados also. Also, about the best player thing that is not always true. Luck plays a huge hand in results.
jumpluff is inconsistent? whaaa? if anything, SP decks are the most inconsistent. If they don't nail a cyrus in their opening hand they can really struggle to set up. Jumpluff is technically "stronger" than Luxchomp (don't tell me dragon rush and flash impact do more damage than mass atack) so i would disagree there.
and these claims of "the BDIF doesn't matter the best player almost always wins" are so so false. ask any great player and I am sure they will tell you that deck choice and your decklist is one of the biggest factors in doing well.
Anyways, back on topic: Luxchomp is by far and away the most SUCCESSFULL deck, however when tons of good players play Luxchomp and not enough people run decks that can beat it, of course it's going to win. It makes up a substantial part of the field.
I know of a few great US players (Ness, Chuck, Fulop, Chad, Gabriel) who have played and done vey well with Jumpluff. But there are only a few of them, and yet a ridiculous amount of Luxchomp players, so of course Luxchomp is going to win more States. IMO Jumpluff is the better deck, so it all really depends on what you define "BDIF" as - most successfull, the best, or a mix of the two?
Jumpluff is good, but Luxchomp is definitely better. Luxchomp is the most consistent deck in the format. If you don't get a cyrus get a uxie and you'll probably get one or something you can use instead. Jumpluff is definitely good but more inconsistent then luxchomp and bad against Gyarados and Cursegar. Also don't say that by adding luxray you win Gengar switch because if that were the case Luxchomp would beat it consistently more than jumpluff. Luxchomp is good almost everywhere, but Jumpluff is VERY metagame dependent.
I couldn't disagree more. Jumpluff has so many ways to set up with multiple uxie, 3-3 claydol, 4 communication, etc. whereas if SP doesn't draw good on an Uxie (if they don't open with a Cyrus's Conspiracy) they can often be stuck.
You DO beat Gengar Switch, just like Luxchomp does. However, Jumpluff is more effective because it can actually OHKO a Curse Gengar whereas Luxchomp cannot. That is where the difference in the match-up lies. Not only that but Jumpluff can use Regice to mvoe away Spiritobms early and get rid of all their trainers and win easily.
Gyarados isn't too hard either. You're faster than they are and by warps/luxray you can pretty much take a prize every turn off of the bench and win by getting 6 prizes before they do. And even if you find you still can't beat Gyarados, you can tech in Giratina Let loose to help as well with the match-up. Not an "easy" match-up, but not "hard" either.
You DO beat Gengar Switch, just like Luxchomp does. However, Jumpluff is more effective because it can actually OHKO a Curse Gengar whereas Luxchomp cannot. That is where the difference in the match-up lies. Not only that but Jumpluff can use Regice to mvoe away Spiritobms early and get rid of all their trainers and win easily.
Gyarados isn't too hard either. You're faster than they are and by warps/luxray you can pretty much take a prize every turn off of the bench and win by getting 6 prizes before they do. And even if you find you still can't beat Gyarados, you can tech in Giratina Let loose to help as well with the match-up. Not an "easy" match-up, but not "hard" either.
First of all your list must be missing a lot, but how do you fit in all that into luxpluff. Luxchomp is able to bright look and dragon rush more often. Even with that Luxchomp doesn't have that good of a matchup against it. Also what happens if you don't draw a warp point. If you don't get a warp point then Gengar will just KO anything you bring out with Ebelt and curse. You will likely get a few poketurns and warp points, but not enough to consistently KO Gengar without it catching up.
how do i fit that all into luxpluff? whaa? go look at chris fulop's list and observe how easy it is to fit "all that" into a list.
Who cares if gengar is able to get a OHKO (which actually takes two turns because it needs Curse)? so is jumpluff (via regice/warp point/luxray), and it opens with a significant prize lead while gengar switch is building a Cursegar with 3 energy. not only that but if you can get a bright look on a curse gengar and ohko, it's pretty much gg for gengar.
and whatever, luxchomp's match-up to cursegar is kinda irrelevant to this. jumpluff and luxchomp are two totally seperate decks.
Who cares if gengar is able to get a OHKO (which actually takes two turns because it needs Curse)? so is jumpluff (via regice/warp point/luxray), and it opens with a significant prize lead while gengar switch is building a Cursegar with 3 energy. not only that but if you can get a bright look on a curse gengar and ohko, it's pretty much gg for gengar.
and whatever, luxchomp's match-up to cursegar is kinda irrelevant to this. jumpluff and luxchomp are two totally seperate decks.
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As for luxchomp and any other top tier deck, good players playing good decks will win. They will make it to top cut and then it comes down to deck build, skill, and luck. A good player will tech in things to beat other good players playing the same or different decks. It comes down to the matchups, the teching, and starting hands for what won states in the top cut. It just happened that more top tier players were playing lux-chomp. That's my opinion on BDIF. This is not the garde format anymore, you don't have to play one deck good player or not to win.
Kayle
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Set up? LuxChomp has to set up?
I generally get everything I need from one Uxie drop. Uxie isn't hard to come by in Luxchomp. In fact I generally have either Uxie, Cyrus, or a way to get Uxie in every opening hand. Yeah, if I don't get Cyrus I have trouble setting up, but, that almost never happens.
Jumpluff is inconsistent because of the number of games I read in States Reports that go like this:
Round X: vs. Jumpluff
Luxray/Garchomp + DCE to his Hoppip start. GG