What is Weavile/Exeggcute?

[Vulpix Yolk]

The fact that this combo is receiving any hype genuinely makes me want to vomit. Gyarados just rolled over in its grave. First off, you have to play 4 Exeggcute. Meaning, there is a decent chance that you will start with an Exeggcute, which has 30 HP. Landorus walks on any basics in this deck, you could start Sneasel and Exeggcute and still get donked if they have a Landorus, a Fighting and a Laser. Second, this deck has a lot of set up for a low damage output. 120 can be done in so many easier ways. Once you set up a Weavile, they can easily kill it before you could knock out an EX with it. You are losing the prize trade against almost every played EX in the format. Terrakion one shots you, Darkrai EX one shots you, Keldeo one shots you, Tornadus EX one shots, what are you winning the prize trade against? Name a single deck that couldn't keep up with this. It's not like you are going to be able to swarm Weavile, or set up faster than most things.

 

[FSULugia]

The fact that this combo is receiving any hype genuinely makes me want to vomit. Gyarados just rolled over in its grave. First off, you have to play 4 Exeggcute. Meaning, there is a decent chance that you will start with an Exeggcute, which has 30 HP. Landorus walks on any basics in this deck, you could start Sneasel and Exeggcute and still get donked if they have a Landorus, a Fighting and a Laser. Second, this deck has a lot of set up for a low damage output. 120 can be done in so many easier ways. Once you set up a Weavile, they can easily kill it before you could knock out an EX with it. You are losing the prize trade against almost every played EX in the format. Terrakion one shots you, Darkrai EX one shots you, Keldeo one shots you, Tornadus EX one shots, what are you winning the prize trade against? Name a single deck that couldn't keep up with this. It's not like you are going to be able to swarm Weavile, or set up faster than most things.

I agree with this strongly. I cant see how people are comparing this to Gyarados since here is what is different between this and Gyarados:

1) Gyarados has 130 HP which was high for that format and could easily take hits unlike Weavile
2) Gyarados had an easier time knocking out Pokemon in his format since in that format the Pokemon had a lot less HP unlike now where the standard is way higher
3) Gyarados was easier to stack damage than Weavile

Plus nobody on here has addressed the decks main weakness of deck, that being its defense. It has no defense what so ever. 90 HP dies to anything. Landorus wrecks everything that it plays, with just only using 1 energy with a few lasers no less.

I can see this deck making some tops but Im doubtful on it being a top deck.

 

[cabd]

Also.

Gyarados attacked for no energy. Weavile cannot attack without energy drops ever turn. Actually, it needs two energy, so you'll need colress machine or etherdex or dark patch or all of the above like crazy too.

 

[Bilbo Baggins]

This deck is hyped for a reason. It works, I've played with it and actually like it in this format.

ya this deck is really good i build it and played agendst the deck that are being played currently it doesnt get donk that much. andit helps a bit more if you add some fossiol pokemon

The fact that this combo is receiving any hype genuinely makes me want to vomit. Gyarados just rolled over in its grave. First off, you have to play 4 Exeggcute. Meaning, there is a decent chance that you will start with an Exeggcute, which has 30 HP. Landorus walks on any basics in this deck, you could start Sneasel and Exeggcute and still get donked if they have a Landorus, a Fighting and a Laser. Second, this deck has a lot of set up for a low damage output. 120 can be done in so many easier ways. Once you set up a Weavile, they can easily kill it before you could knock out an EX with it. You are losing the prize trade against almost every played EX in the format. Terrakion one shots you, Darkrai EX one shots you, Keldeo one shots you, Tornadus EX one shots, what are you winning the prize trade against? Name a single deck that couldn't keep up with this. It's not like you are going to be able to swarm Weavile, or set up faster than most things.

Seems people testing this deck disagree. I have not tested this yet, so I can't say anything. But when people actually play the deck and see how it runs hands on, then you can argue against/for the deck. Just because it gets knocked out easily by an EX doesn't make it 'bad'. They get one prize sure. Then you come back and take out an EX. Look who is in the lead.

I do agree with FSU that it's not Top tier, but it has the chance to be the sneak deck that makes it through due to everyone doubting it.

 

[Raen]

I agree with this strongly. I cant see how people are comparing this to Gyarados since here is what is different between this and Gyarados:

1) Gyarados has 130 HP which was high for that format and could easily take hits unlike Weavile
2) Gyarados had an easier time knocking out Pokemon in his format since in that format the Pokemon had a lot less HP unlike now where the standard is way higher
3) Gyarados was easier to stack damage than Weavile

Plus nobody on here has addressed the decks main weakness of deck, that being its defense. It has no defense what so ever. 90 HP dies to anything. Landorus wrecks everything that it plays, with just only using 1 energy with a few lasers no less.

I can see this deck making some tops but Im doubtful on it being a top deck.

Have you ever heard of Jumpluff? Back in 2010 it was a very powerful and very feared deck. It even won Worlds in Juniors that year. It had ZERO defense. That deck pretty much planned on getting KOd every single turn. But, it was SO fast that it didn't care. As long as it attacked first it won.

Weavile is the same deal. It will OHKO almost everything, and it will get OHKOd back by almost everything. It does not care that a Weavile dies every turn. It will run 3 or 4 Super Rod and a quick draw engine (Maybe Electrode, maybe Bicycle, and LOTS of Pokemon search), so it can recover easily. 4 Dark Patch (or Colress Machine, take your pick) means it's easy to get energy on the board to attack with. Add into the equation that Weavile is not an EX and most main attackers in decks ARE EXs, and trading KO for KO becomes amazing. You take 2 prizes for every 1 they take. Not bad.

 

[cabd]

Jumpluff had claydoll and Uxie. I'm sorry, but electrode is nowhere close to either of those. Two energy is a LOT harder to hit consistantly than a single attachment. BTS no longer exists, and candy no longer works on a stage one.

Is this potentially a playable deck? Absolutely.

Is it going to be the best deck ever? Not close.

 

[Raen]

Jumpluff had claydoll and Uxie. I'm sorry, but electrode is nowhere close to either of those. Two energy is a LOT harder to hit consistantly than a single attachment. BTS no longer exists, and candy no longer works on a stage one.

Is this potentially a playable deck? Absolutely.

Is it going to be the best deck ever? Not close.

I recognize that Jumpluff has better draw and could evolve more quickly. I was simply trying to show that a Pokemon being fragile is NOT a reason to write it off in competative play. It's a barrier, yes, but one that can be overcome.

Also, this format does have EXs in it, which changes the dynamic a bit from what Jumpluff usually dealt with. It needed to recover 5 times if it was trading KO for KO. Weavile only need to do that 2, maybe 3 times.

 

[cabd]

True, but that format also had expert belt. While this deck has potential, it's just that... potential. Not proven success.

I think we all remember what happened with lostgar, yeah?

It does have several upticks of a good deck, but it has holes in it as well.

To build it WELL means you'll need a way to mitigate the issues it faces. Also, it will face issues against the other non-ex attackers moving into the format, such as Plasma Kyurem.

 

[FSULugia]

Have you ever heard of Jumpluff? Back in 2010 it was a very powerful and very feared deck. It even won Worlds in Juniors that year. It had ZERO defense. That deck pretty much planned on getting KOd every single turn. But, it was SO fast that it didn't care. As long as it attacked first it won.

Weavile is the same deal. It will OHKO almost everything, and it will get OHKOd back by almost everything. It does not care that a Weavile dies every turn. It will run 3 or 4 Super Rod and a quick draw engine (Maybe Electrode, maybe Bicycle, and LOTS of Pokemon search), so it can recover easily. 4 Dark Patch (or Colress Machine, take your pick) means it's easy to get energy on the board to attack with. Add into the equation that Weavile is not an EX and most main attackers in decks ARE EXs, and trading KO for KO becomes amazing. You take 2 prizes for every 1 they take. Not bad.

Jumpluff had 90 HP. Thats not horrible back then compared to now, a lot of stuff back then wasnt one shoting it that easily and you couldnt lose multiple Jumpluff to a single Landorus/laser combos like you can now. Plus Jumpluff wasnt going up against 180 HP+ tanks like Weavile is now.

Plus Broken Time Space was around allowing you to evolve quicker. Now if Weaviles start to die off, its hard to get them back and charged up unless you have a really good set up all the time.

The thing with this Weavile trade off is that it usually it will take 2 hits to knock out most Pokemon (sometimes 1, but thats if your lucky), meaning 2 Weaviles will end up dying and you will kill 1 EX. Thats an equal trade off most of the time. Thats not bad, but thats not great. Id rather be running more reliable Pokemon that I dont have to waste just to get a knock out.

The meta is too fast for Weavile IMO, anyone going 1st with a lone lando can win extremely easily against it, especially if the Weavile deck cant get going quick enoug. The deck seems like it requires a lot of luck to consistently make good trade offs. To me it seems like the next Agglor/Empoleon or Garchomp. Great deck if the match ups and set up goes well, if not then it gets crushed.

 

[PMysterious]

1. Jumpluff had 90 HP. Thats not horrible back then compared to now, a lot of stuff back then wasnt one shoting it that easily and you couldnt lose multiple Jumpluff to a single Landorus/laser combos like you can now. Plus Jumpluff wasnt going up against 180 HP+ tanks like Weavile is now.

2. Plus Broken Time Space was around allowing you to evolve quicker. Now if Weaviles start to die off, its hard to get them back and charged up unless you have a really good set up all the time.

3. The thing with this Weavile trade off is that it usually it will take 2 hits to knock out most Pokemon (sometimes 1, but thats if your lucky), meaning 2 Weaviles will end up dying and you will kill 1 EX. Thats an equal trade off most of the time. Thats not bad, but thats not great. Id rather be running more reliable Pokemon that I dont have to waste just to get a knock out.

4. The meta is too fast for Weavile IMO, anyone going 1st with a lone lando can win extremely easily against it, especially if the Weavile deck cant get going quick enoug. The deck seems like it requires a lot of luck to consistently make good trade offs. To me it seems like the next Agglor/Empoleon or Garchomp. Great deck if the match ups and set up goes well, if not then it gets crushed.

1. Actually, that was pretty low for a Stage 2 Pokemon in the SP era. The big thing to think about is that Weavile COULD 1-shot EX Pokemon if its lucky. However, there IS a damage cap for Jumpluff. Irrelevant point. Next.

2. It takes 2 turns for an EX to get set up anyway minus Tornadus and Landorus. So, if you can set up multiple Weaviles, you won't have too big of a problem. Another irrelevant point. Next.

3. Um, excuse me. Did you ever hear of Dark Claw, Hypnotoxic Laser, Virbank, and Pluspower? Those help out Weavile do more damage. Not really important. Next.

4. If the format is too fast for Weavile, then why are Blastoise/Keldeo, Klingklang, and Darkrai/Hydriegon played in the competitive metagame? I mean, Stage 2 decks are winning, so why can't a Stage 1 deck win? The deck will require luck, but EVERY deck requires luck. You're mistaking it for skill. I guess that's what happens when you play Big Basics for too long. Irrelevant.

 

[cabd]

PM, i'm more than happy to debate the significance of this deck with you, but completely ignoring valid points and comparisons with a "yeah no next" kind of attitude isn't the way to go about it.

Weavile/Eggs DOES have several good things going for it. However, a well-built list for it will have to solve the following issues.

1. Run enough basics to mitigate donk issues.
2. Be able to consistantly take three EX OHKOs
3. Be able to attack every turn from 2 on
3a. Be able to get two energy attachments turn 2/3 on
3b. Be able to recycle discarded and knocked out pokemon quickly
3c. Be able to keep extra sneasel on the bench every turn
4. Be able to keep up a prize exchange with non-ex decks/attackers
5. Have room for everything listed above in a 60 card list
6. Have an answer to Garbodor
7. Have enough pokemon search to ALWAYS evolve every single turn past T1


There's simply not enough room to run laserbank and dark claw and pluspowers and colress machine and dark patch etc. You'll need every slot you possibly can.

If a deck builder can mitigate these issues (And I really like the 2-2 electrode idea for some of these issues) then it'll work as a high tier deck. Otherwise, it simply won't be enough to cut it.


Let's look at a basic list for starters.
4 : Weavile
2 : Electrode
2 : Emolga
2 : Voltorb
4 : Exeggcute
4 : Sneasel
4 : Pokemon Catcher
2 : Super Rod, DRV-20
4 : Dark Patch, DEX-93
1 : Tool Scraper, DRX-116
4 : Ultra Ball, DEX-102
2 : Switch, BLW-104
3 : Level Ball, NEX-89
1 : Computer Search, BCR-137
2 : Bianca, BCR-147
4 : Professor Juniper, DEX-98
2 : Colress (Team Plasma), PLS-118
3 : N, DEX-96
10 : Darkness Energy, BLW-111

That's 60 cards. Laserbank takes up 6 slots. What six cards would you cut?

 

[FSULugia]

1. Actually, that was pretty low for a Stage 2 Pokemon in the SP era. The big thing to think about is that Weavile COULD 1-shot EX Pokemon if its lucky. However, there IS a damage cap for Jumpluff. Irrelevant point. Next.

2. It takes 2 turns for an EX to get set up anyway minus Tornadus and Landorus. So, if you can set up multiple Weaviles, you won't have too big of a problem. Another irrelevant point. Next.

3. Um, excuse me. Did you ever hear of Dark Claw, Hypnotoxic Laser, Virbank, and Pluspower? Those help out Weavile do more damage. Not really important. Next.

4. If the format is too fast for Weavile, then why are Blastoise/Keldeo, Klingklang, and Darkrai/Hydriegon played in the competitive metagame? I mean, Stage 2 decks are winning, so why can't a Stage 1 deck win? The deck will require luck, but EVERY deck requires luck. You're mistaking it for skill. I guess that's what happens when you play Big Basics for too long. Irrelevant.

90 HP is half of what the average HP is in the modern era. Back then it was only slightly lower than what the average is. Back in that format you didnt have the same type of energy acceleration like you did now so you couldnt be 1 shoting Jumpluffs like you did now. Either way I dont know why we are even arguing about a deck that only did well in JUNIORS.

All those decks have Pokemon over 170 HP, energy acceleration/immunity, can take loads of hits and arent dependent on specific cards to really get going. Where you serious when you mentioned Klinklang (like really, you cant kill this thing with half the meta, why would that not be good?). I really dont feel like bringing this up a billion times anymore since everyone likes to pretend that Weavile's cant die from 1 shot and ends up OHKO'ing an EX every single time. That takes luck, you will have to go 1st every time and hope your opponent just does nothing most of the time, thats requiring specific interaction to win. Plus theres no Broken Time Space in this format, its not going to be easy to continuously regenerate Weaviles. And pluspower? What format are you playing in?

I appreciate it if you dont try to have an attitude about it since its just a game and we all have own opinions. You should actually think about what people say instead of just saying "no your wrong, next". Nobody is saying this deck is bad, but it seems like one of those decks that will get a bunch of hype upon release, do kinda well, and then just be in the back of the meta after.

 

[Stealth]

The deck has clear weaknesses, the biggest one obviously is the fact that you're playing with 4 30HP Pokemon in your deck. With Mewtwo play on the decline and Landorus being a bad card in general against all but 1 matchup, I don't think these weaknesses will make the deck unplayable. It's a cute combo that requires a little bit of setup, which I can appreciate. I don't think it will be anything near overpowered, probably not even close, but I can see people making it work and having fun with it nonetheless.

People in the thread haven't mentioned the other advantages of Exeggute. You can use it for Ultra Ball, Computer Search or Dowsing Machine as well, which is pretty nice.

I'd say this kind of deck is exactly what would attract me to the TCG as a new player. There's tiny synergies all over the deck, there's a clear goal to achieve and there's a lot of choices you'll have to make while playing and building it. No idea why people find it so oppressive. It's not near the power level of Gyarados SF and not half as easy to set up.

 

[PMysterious]

Weavile/Eggs DOES have several good things going for it. However, a well-built list for it will have to solve the following issues.

1. Run enough basics to mitigate donk issues.
2. Be able to consistantly take three EX OHKOs
3. Be able to attack every turn from 2 on
3a. Be able to get two energy attachments turn 2/3 on
3b. Be able to recycle discarded and knocked out pokemon quickly
3c. Be able to keep extra sneasel on the bench every turn
4. Be able to keep up a prize exchange with non-ex decks/attackers
5. Have room for everything listed above in a 60 card list
6. Have an answer to Garbodor
7. Have enough pokemon search to ALWAYS evolve every single turn past T1

Okay, my point to these problems.
1. Run EXs in the deck like Darkrai and Tornadus. Both HELP this deck. Sure, the deck can win without them, but they will deal with this problem.

2. Um, read Point 1 to get how to deal with this problem.

3a. You don't have to do that in 1 turn. That would require a speeding ticket in order for THAT to happen. So, if you think it works like that, where is that ticket?

3b. Well, play cards which do that. Cards like Revive, Recycle, and Super Rod would do the trick. Its not a hard thing to do.

3c. Revive. Thank you very much.

4. That's not hard UNLESS they play Lugia EX. Then, its fair game.

5. Space is the only concern that the deck will have. Thus, this is the most unarguable point and I do agree with this statement.

6. Tool Scrapper.

7. This is not necessary. However, it is a good point to bring across. Unfortunately, this point is flawed by the fact that its not fully needed to happen. I mean, it DOES happen with the right build.

There's simply not enough room to run laserbank and dark claw and pluspowers and colress machine and dark patch etc. You'll need every slot you possibly can.

If a deck builder can mitigate these issues (And I really like the 2-2 electrode idea for some of these issues) then it'll work as a high tier deck. Otherwise, it simply won't be enough to cut it.


Let's look at a basic list for starters.
4 : Weavile
2 : Electrode
2 : Emolga
2 : Voltorb
4 : Exeggcute
4 : Sneasel
4 : Pokemon Catcher
2 : Super Rod, DRV-20
4 : Dark Patch, DEX-93
1 : Tool Scraper, DRX-116
4 : Ultra Ball, DEX-102
2 : Switch, BLW-104
3 : Level Ball, NEX-89
1 : Computer Search, BCR-137
2 : Bianca, BCR-147
4 : Professor Juniper, DEX-98
2 : Colress (Team Plasma), PLS-118
3 : N, DEX-96
10 : Darkness Energy, BLW-111

That's 60 cards. Laserbank takes up 6 slots. What six cards would you cut?

The answer to your question on the deck skeleton is simple. Take out the unnecessary stuff that you won't have to worry about. Also, there are too many Ultra Ball in the deck. Weavile/Exeggcute only requires about 3 Ultra Ball. Not 4 as EVERYTHING in the deck is Level Ball searchable. The skeleton's weakness is that its not a skeleton but more to say a bad version of the deck.

In conclusion, its back to the drawing board with that basic list as its nothing more than one of those crazy things which make the deck LOOK bad. We're all looking at the deck the wrong way. Of course we are not going to get off a 150 Scapegoat every turn. We are taking an unrealistic approach and need to move to the realistic side. Weavile can not win on its own and a majority of us are not noticing this. I found bad things to argue about, but this one should've been set in stone a long time ago. I don't even know WHY we're arguing in the first place.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

Wow this conversation is disturbingly negative, but unfortunately normal. A few things I want to note

1.) Yes 90 HP is low, but keep in mind Weavile is worth only one prize as opposed to two.
2.) Energy isn't that much of a concern as the deck has access to Dark Patch, and if it really needs it EXP Share.
3.) You don't need to KO 3 EXs, as you have plenty of chances to take smaller prizes.
4.) Once you get the 4 Exeggcute in the discard you don't need to worry about them anymore about them at all

Seriously guys stop being so critical of a deck that isn't even out yet, the deck has plenty of potential answers to the meta and writing it off only harms the meta, not help it.

 

[FSULugia]

Wow this conversation is disturbingly negative, but unfortunately normal. A few things I want to note

1.) Yes 90 HP is low, but keep in mind Weavile is worth only one prize as opposed to two.
2.) Energy isn't that much of a concern as the deck has access to Dark Patch, and if it really needs it EXP Share.
3.) You don't need to KO 3 EXs, as you have plenty of chances to take smaller prizes.
4.) Once you get the 4 Exeggcute in the discard you don't need to worry about them anymore about them at all

Seriously guys stop being so critical of a deck that isn't even out yet, the deck has plenty of potential answers to the meta and writing it off only harms the meta, not help it.

Its easy to be critical of anything that has to face Keledo. Mewtwo, Darkrai, Lando, Tornadus, and even soon to be Lugia, Deoxies,Thunderus, etc. All these high powered monsters have established the meta over the last year. When people make new decks, usually these decks have to be able to stand on per with these with similar cards usually.

When people try to claim that something thats nowhere on that power level can win, people are gunna be critical and question it. And when the only defending argument is "I tested it and its good so there for its a tier 1 deck" who is really going to believe them?

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

Its easy to be critical of anything that has to face Keledo. Mewtwo, Darkrai, Lando, Tornadus, and even soon to be Lugia, Deoxies,Thunderus, etc. All these high powered monsters have established the meta over the last year. When people make new decks, usually these decks have to be able to stand on per with these with similar cards usually.

When people try to claim that something thats nowhere on that power level can win, people are gunna be critical and question it. And when the only defending argument is "I tested it and its good so there for its a tier 1 deck" who is really going to believe them?

What part of it's able to OHKO EXs when necessary makes it unable to compete with said EXs? Also I'm sorry if I find that approach rather silly, as there are plenty of completely viable options that get ignored because of said overly critical analysis.

Also who said anything about tier 1? Not to mention that people are giving completely legitimate arguments other than I've play tested it and they only say it in response to the ambiguous retorts that don't trust it's enough.

 

[FSULugia]

What part of it's able to OHKO EXs when necessary makes it unable to compete with said EXs? Also I'm sorry if I find that approach rather silly, as there are plenty of completely viable options that get ignored because of said overly critical analysis.

Also who said anything about tier 1? Not to mention that people are giving completely legitimate arguments other than I've play tested it and they only say it in response to the ambiguous retorts that don't trust it's enough.

If it isnt obvious still, its not only the fact that the deck has low HP Pokemon, but its also consistency. Its a huge combo deck. We arent talking about a deck that just needs some basic + a rare candy + an evolution and then can pump out massive amounts of damage or have immunity to half the meta, this deck needs a lot of specific cards to really get going and to really keep up with your opponent. Most dominant decks in the meta have a lot of good stand alone cards, they can take a lot of hits from other decks, and their combos are not as specific as this deck.

Theres many people claiming that its going to be tier 1 and that its a dominant deck. People are not giving any good arguments and are just saying the same things over and over again.

I feel its just going to be Empoleon 2.0 in terms of its success and how competitive it will be. Thats not a bad thing, but it is what it is.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

If it isnt obvious still, its not only the fact that the deck has low HP Pokemon, but its also consistency. Its a huge combo deck. We arent talking about a deck that just needs some basic + a rare candy + an evolution and then can pump out massive amounts of damage or have immunity to half the meta, this deck needs a lot of specific cards to really get going and to really keep up with your opponent. Most dominant decks in the meta have a lot of good stand alone cards, they can take a lot of hits from other decks, and their combos are not as specific as this deck.

Theres many people claiming that its going to be tier 1 and that its a dominant deck. People are not giving any good arguments and are just saying the same things over and over again.

I feel its just going to be Empoleon 2.0 in terms of its success and how competitive it will be. Thats not a bad thing, but it is what it is.

The problem with your approach is that you won't know how consistent it will be until it's released. Exeggcute you need to get once and then never have to worry about it once it hits the discard, (not to mention that it can then become fuel for cards like Ultra ball) so in general you don't need a horrendous amount of set-up.

Again I haven't seen anyone saying it'll be tier 1, and the arguments I keep seeing aren't half bad, such as it being able to run some EXs as back up (ie Darkrai) which can be used for Weavile or used on its own in bad situations.

 

[FSULugia]

The problem with your approach is that you won't know how consistent it will be until it's released. Exeggcute you need to get once and then never have to worry about it once it hits the discard, (not to mention that it can then become fuel for cards like Ultra ball) so in general you don't need a horrendous amount of set-up.

Again I haven't seen anyone saying it'll be tier 1, and the arguments I keep seeing aren't half bad, such as it being able to run some EXs as back up (ie Darkrai) which can be used for Weavile or used on its own in bad situations.

The thing is that getting the Exeggcute all together, setting up the Weaviles with energy, and to keep them coming back consistently is quite a task. It doesnt sound like something thats simple to do in this meta. Its a huge combo deck, again Im not sure if you understand how different that is compared to what has already been winning. We would see Raticate decks winning (a deck thats very similar) by now if combo heavy decks were more viable in this format.

I suggest you read some of the previous posts. Some guy said they should add fossil Pokemon to the deck (no offense to whoever that was) and everyone else is just saying "i tested it and its good". The decks im seeing out of Japan arent playing EX's either, so its really a mystery to how good it can be.

Either way im not interested in finding out if this deck is good or not since i have better things to do than to care if some wildhorse deck can win or not in the format. The deck is obviously playable but its not hard to tell based on previous non EX decks how they contend in the meta. It will make tops, nobody is arguing that. Its just all the people who are on the t1 bandwagon that are kinda not getting it.