Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

What is your opinion on SP Pokemon?

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Fact of the matter is that they have an amazing amount of support that has absolutely limited drawback. Our Bebe's search is a Supporter, their SP Radar is a Trainer; they can cancel out any powers they want, and all of their Pokemon are already Basic to begin with. Not even to mention that they have energy reducing Tool cards. We don't have any of that. If it wasn't for all of that, they wouldn't be so overpowered.

They think bumping the weakness up to x2 is enough to even out the playing field, but really, it's not.
 
toxictaipan said:
They think bumping the weakness up to x2 is enough to even out the playing field, but really, it's not.
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And even then, they have Lucario GL to remove that drawback... Their low HP is not really an issue since the more used SPs even have the same or more HP than some Stage 1's (Dialga G, Palkia G, Luxray GL, Infernape 4, etc). If you add in the tremendous support in the form of Trainers, Supporters, and Tools, it's no wonder that there aren't really any Stage 1's seeing any play.

SPs are formidable in a sense that they diminish the chance of the opposing deck to set-up and realize the goal of that deck, by dragging out helpless basics. There's nothing more annoying than pouring out all your time and effort thinking out a great combo between cards and making a decent list, and not even see your evolved Pokemon hit the field and demonstrate the synergy between your attackers and your techs. SPs win by disruption and speed.

IMO, I think the skill really shows in an event that both decks are set-up (for instance in a match against 2 Stage 2 decks) and that both have an EQUAL capability to show their stuff and to show which combos are better, effective and efficient. SPs tilt the outcome of the battle in their favor by not providing this opportunity to set-up decks.
 
Yeah, it's a shame that SPs are trashing the format. Thank goodness there's no hard or soft counters that are running rampant in this format to prevent them from being so over widely played. That way we all know to play SP for the easy win. Things like Gyarados, Beedrill, Flygon, Machamp, Gengar, Dusknoir DP? Mewtwo? Come on, no one runs that.

Thank goodness, I might add. That way we can focus on BDIF SPs like Rayquaza C and Charizard G and Electivire FB!
 
Right now, the format is healthily balanced between Stage Two, Stage One, and Basic-themed decks.

Given that, and given how well I've done with SP, I think I'm in love (no homeaux).
 
I have to ad in my two cents here. I like sp's, and feel they add a versatility that wasn't available before, new strategies, etc. BUT, I also don't use most of the cards everyone complains about (Power spray and Luxray GL X). There is a synergy between the SP cards, and they do have their drawbacks as well. I feel it's all pretty even.

Above are listed at least 7 good techs against SPs which are EZ to tech in to most any deck, not to mention relicanth, and a couple others from SV as well. I think it's all fair, and we should stop griping and just enjoy what we are given to play. If you hate the new stuff so much don't play it. No one is forcing anyone to play SPs, I still have several stage 2 decks I like, and I do plan on trying to run the AoA C-Zard, that ability is a built in SF Cherrim Sunny Day for Fire Pokies! This is all just IMHO.
 
How can everybody say SP's are so overpowering and it's easy to just build a deck and win when a simple glance at the "What won BR's" thread indicates Flygon, Gengar, Machamp and Gyarados are all top decks?
 
Because people want to find a pokemon/game mechanic to hate. Last time it was the holon engine, now it's SPs.
 
Mewtant said:
How can everybody say SP's are so overpowering and it's easy to just build a deck and win when a simple glance at the "What won BR's" thread indicates Flygon, Gengar, Machamp and Gyarados are all top decks?
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Cause they're the only decks that can actually stand up to SP. IMO all of those decks are actually pretty bad and would loose to most non sp decks, but since sp just beats these decks they never see the light of day.
Sp can increase damage at will, can drag up whatever it wants, can block powers, it can break all game mechanics so easily. But people already adjusted and stuffed their decks with a bunch of consistency cards and ways to fight off sp. But what is left are SP decks and decks that can attack for 1 nrg (so they have SOME kind of way to fight on par with SP).
Whats left are Machamp (the dice / donk deck), Gengar which just lives cause SP have no reliable way to play around Fainting Spell, Kingdra (which is speedy but still I dont see why this sees any play nowadays), Gyarados which is just about cheap slapping around and cheap prices and Flygon which is like the light of hope for me.

And even when SP doesnt win everything (which is certainly true) I just hate the randomness it puts on the format. Having that Power Sprays T2 WILL decide games all by itself.
Sp is nothing but game denial, Power Lock, Setup destruction and I just hate this kind of deck with a passion.
even when you have a positive matchup against SP it all comes down to chance, if the opponent has that Spray / Luxray / Crobat T2 and shuts down your Claydol and you dont draw into anything you need by Chance you loose. Nothign you can do about it.

The longer the game goes the less the opening hands start to matter, the more one can get access to everything your deck has etc. But sp just cares about the opening hand. If you have a good opening hand SP will probably loose but if you cant get a powerless setup with your opening hand SP will rip you to pieces.
If SP plays against non SP with one look at the opening hand you know who'll win the game most of the times.
Sp just is so speedy and disruptive that everything comes down to chance.

Yeah their ARE counters to SP but whats the point if SP can just run Uxie X to Counter your Machamp? Yeah its 40 DMG short of the ko, but we're talking sp, damage increase / weakness *2 is no problem for these decks.
Mankey will just get revenge KOed and if you struggle to stay in the game it wont help you since sp will just send up somethign new to rip it to pieces. Same with Relicanth.

And this is why I love the new spiritomb, it finally puts a stop to the random rushing locking stuff, stops power spray from denying you a place in the game, stops your opponent from just dropping 5000 crobats to donk you, stops your opponent from always having everything out by t2 (sp radar) and just rushing you to death (nrg gain)


e:/

DarthPika is compaining because people whine too much...
Did I miss something?
 
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I forgot about the AoA spiritomb, that really does shut down SP's, with no trainers being able to play, but that also hurts S2 with candy, but that's where BTS comes in, right?

So, as I stated earlier, it is balanced. Mewtwo X with AoA Spiritomb, and an SP deck is pretty much shut down. Just MHO
 
SP is my favourite Deck typ in the TCG atm.

Why?

Because I never played the Holon Engine. I played Delta Pokemon in 07-08, but that's not the same. I always WANTED to use some sort of Engine, and then we got SP. It reminds me of my good old days where I used to play YGO and always used the hated Burner Deck.
 
It will take the SP player a few turns to get that Dialga G Lv.X on the field without the use of Poke-Radar, Luxury Ball, Great Ball, Poke-Turn, Switch, etc. That time will be precious time that stage 2 decks didn't have before.

SP decks were getting going turn 1 with Energy Gain, and were stopping setup turn 1 with Power Spray. At least with Spiritomb, setup decks will have a few turns in the beginning to setup peacefully and use a few of their poke-powers.

I see Spiritomb becoming a staple 3-4 of in setup decks, like how Dunsparce SS was. Setup decks will need to start with Spiritomb in order to have a better chance of setting up.
 
The only complaint I have with SP pokemon in general is poketurn - they should have to flip for the right to scoop up a pokemon like everyone else has to.
Scoop up afterall was far too powerful and thats why they made Super Scoop Up. I'm just glad they didnt go completely stupid and print a Gust of Wind SP only trainer (Luxray is a pokemon afterall).
 
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