If they weren't secret rares then it seems like they would be the only FA cards in the set (excluding Radiant Collection and any possibility of FA Pikachu). If the pull rates for FA cards remained somwhat constant then people would be pulling one per box or one every 2 boxes and we all know how rare they were in the japanese sets. I'd prefer it if full arts were secret rares in the western version since the pull rates are so low that getting a compete set is harder than it previously was.
What will be the two cards they add to Legendary Treasures?
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rileysill32
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Energy switch or I quit.
rivershock
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I'm leaning towards Reshiram/Zekrom being the two. If not, then yeah, either Fennel/Oak or reprints of some still-legal cards. If the latter, Double Colorless and Bianca seem like the prime candidates. (Most other possible recent options were in Boundaries Crossed.)
Scizor Master CLR
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I'm hoping for Skyla to be one of them. It has gotten ridiculously expensive to get a playset. =\
Otaku
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Energy Switch has a strong probability of breaking Energy acceleration that goes off first turn and doesn't end your turn (whether because it was in the form of an attack or ending the turn is part of the effect itself). We still have Dark Patch so... yeah, I would rather not see it return.
Bianca was in Boundaries Crossed as well. Not the regular print, but the full art version keeps the regular print legal.
Otaku
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I would prefer they not reprint Double Colorless Energy anymore, as the card designers seem to refuse to take it into account when designing cards with appropriate costs. Think of what Mewtwo EX would have been like without Double Colorless Energy, for example.
As such I am now almost certain it will be reprinted. =P
TheRolesWePlay
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I don't see what you're getting at. Sure Mewtwo was able to abuse it, but that was likely intended as it was printed alongside DCE. Since then DCE has been appropriate with most cards. Keldeo can use, but doesn't get the full effect of its attack, Lugia can use it, but still needs Plasma energy, and a number of other cards CAN use it, but it isn't worth it. It isn't really an abusive card right now, and unless the direction changes to a DCE heavy format (like HGSS) I don't see that changing significantly.
There's a thread for that.
Not likely. PE cards were exclusive to Japan because the show is japan only. Same with Imakuni. If they are released here, people have no idea what they are about. Plus I think there were a more than 2 of those cards in EBB and they were secret rares.
Most likely we'll get trainer reprints. Fingers crossed for Tropical Beach haha
HoLoN_TrAiNeR
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Tropical Beach can't be in the set.
That would make it legal for 2 more years.
That would make it legal for 2 more years.
TheRolesWePlay
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I don't really see why that matters. Worlds Promos have been known to be reprinted a lot. Tropical Tidal Wave got revived not to long after its rotation and has had very long runs in the past, while Tropical Wind was consistently in the game since 04 (even longer counting the earlier Japanese printings) and was only rotated with the move to HGSS a few years ago.
However I would argue that it probably won't be printed in the set since it's, y'know, a Worlds Promo.
Otaku
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In spite of not understanding it, you come pretty close to grasping it.
It is turn 1 Energy acceleration, which I believe is very bad for the game. If you hadn't noticed elsewhere, I don't care for the new first turn rule because it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater (to use that old expression): attacking first turn isn't the problem it is what attacks are available. Factor in how we were told that the current first turn rules (essentially the original first turn rules) were instated because it was too "complicated" having different rules and how "set-up" attacks actually improve the game's pacing (slower than instant offense, faster than depending only on Trainers) and hopefully you can understand that position.
So for Double Colorless Energy to be "safe", no card should be able to use it to attack first turn, which should be accomplished by pricing the attacks correctly and not erratum or rules modification. Further, all cards need to be designed with it in mind regardless - it is simply quite potent and as we saw, dictates much of the game. Is it an immediate problem right now? No. Has it been a problem? Yes, as you stated. Have you considered why it isn't much of an issue now? It simply isn't useful to enough of the more potent cards in the format. You brought up Mewtwo EX yourself; what would that card have been without Double Colorless Energy?
If something is prone to causing problems, it is best to eliminate it from the game, at least until stability has been achieved and there is room for such experimentation.
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Explain to me why this is a problem.
My criticism of it is merely its rarity; the effect is reasonably well balanced, and even the rule changes will not make it an issue. Though I once opposed "staples" vehemently, my stance has softened as sometimes there are only so many ways to execute a mechanic well, and it seems silly to waste time reinventing the wheel just so each deck can do it in its own way.
HoLoN_TrAiNeR
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WC cards have never ever been printed as a non-tournament promo, and I doubt they'd dare to include it in a regular set.
On another note, I believe japanese players are in an even worse condition than any other country, because japanese beach is way harder to get than the english one, let's see if they reprint it first.
I've really ignited the fire on this one. The tropical beach thing was a joke seeing how people were complaining about the price despite it being a reasonably balanced card. I do believe that we will get trainers as the 2 cards but they'll be things like energy retrieval or other regular trainers. Maybe not energy retrieval since it was in the last set but you get the idea.
Otaku
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Yes... and that needs to change. This is a Trading Card Game; when you want exclusive promos as prizes for an event you make them "exclusive" through things like alternate artwork, holographic treatment, foil stamping them, etc. That or you make them illegal to play. Anything else and you risk creating a card significant to the environment but overly scarce in supply; something that should be a "deal breaker" to players.
Let's not.
I must word this very carefully lest it sound callous; the scarcity of Tropical Beach were it useless for competitive play would still be irksome because of the precedent it sets... which is why the similar promos before it were a problem. As it actually stands, this is the exact foundational aspect of the game that tells me it isn't worth playing. I was willing to tolerate the rarity scheme used for the last too many years because of things like re-releases plus that is still an easier to access, larger supply.
If the card is even harder for Japanese players to obtain... there is no reason to punish others. Ideally we'd see a reprint in Japan and outside of Japan. I must confess I am tired of a Trading Card Game, where the initial card supply is controlled by the manufacturers of the game, acting like it has to have so much scarcity when we are told time and again that the mass retail sales, purchased primarily by non-collectors and non-players, sustain the game's market. If that is true then there is no need to make players chase after higher rarity cards. It becomes a scam.
rileysill32
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With the recent rule changes, I was thinking they made throw in a couple ace specs. What if they create a no flip ace spec catcher?
Otaku
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*shrugs*
Seems pretty pointless. A single Gust of Wind (just referencing it this way to reduce confusion of old/new Pokémon Catcher) is useful, but in place of your only Computer Search? Your only Dowsing Machine? Your only... whatever else are top Ace Spec cards? XD It won't disrupt the Bench enough to matter, will it? The Bench-sitters I am concerned with aren't much worse off if you have to luck into/Skyla for Ace Spec Gust of Wind and take out one. Some games that might matter, but not enough to justify making it your Ace Spec.
Again, all pure theory and speculation on my part.
rileysill32
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Which was very obvious that you are only speculated lol.... Securing a KO with a Lugia or any other pokemon on another EX is game changing. I would run it, opposed to a scramble switch. Catcher single handily wins games in the late game phase of matches because you can pull up damaged ex's for easy kos.
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