amphy#1
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I see somebody knows what I'm talkin about. :lol:
What WILL Win States?
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I see somebody knows what I'm talkin about. :lol:
Not sure why I'm posting, but here goes....
^^Gardevoir Gallade gets ownified by CurseGar, which is one deck you can definitely expect. The steady KOs is more than Gardy can take.
SPs will do well. CurseGar will win a few. Dialgachomp will win a few. Good LGs will win many. Gyrados will win a couple. Jumpluff will see play. Raichu may/not see play. Charizard will see play. Donphan will see play. Gatr will see play, and Typhlo.
okeball:
^^Gardevoir Gallade gets ownified by CurseGar, which is one deck you can definitely expect. The steady KOs is more than Gardy can take.
SPs will do well. CurseGar will win a few. Dialgachomp will win a few. Good LGs will win many. Gyrados will win a couple. Jumpluff will see play. Raichu may/not see play. Charizard will see play. Donphan will see play. Gatr will see play, and Typhlo.
okeball:I think the point is to practice against these top decks-gengar, luxchomp, gyarados with whatever deck you want to bring-I think many people want to create something new that can make the cut. there has got to be some new combinations out there with the DCE etc you know Mamoswine can do 180 damage for only 3 energy cards but many might say " oh it is too slow " but really until you try you don't know or these other attacks around that can do 120 as long as it meets a condition of some kind there will be some suprises
Dragonite15
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Gardevoir/Gallade will dominate. Trust me I have a version teched against everything and it's consistent.
TheDarkTwins
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GG isn't as good as many think. It's good, but not Tier 1. The fact is GG has some serious issues if it falls behind or has a bad starts. I think that you might see it win one or two states, but I think the majority are going to be won by big 3, plus maybe a rogue deck that no one expects.
Drew
JPN Gallade
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As of right now, I can imagine that these decks will win states.
Gyarados
Cursegar/Spiritomb
Luxchomp
These three decks are currently the decks that really shine at this very moment. I'll explain why each would have the most potential.
1. Gyarados- Although not really #1, Gyarados has really seen some success lately, and will likely see lots of play in states. It can be a very effective early game attacker, as well as mid-game and late game. It has very useful ways of recovery, mainly Combee SF and Pokemon Rescue. With Expert Belt, Gyarados can now One-shot Luxray GL, and it Luxray were to have expert belts, it has either Pluspowers or Crobat G for backup to do more damage. It can even utilize cards like Regice to get through Spiritomb or Mr. Mime MT, as well as discard Magikarps. That's where the second concept comes in. The big strategy of this deck is often to discard 3 magikarps to the discard pile, and have 1 to go to Gyarados. Once you manage to fully do so, you bring Gyarados to do 90, or 110 of there's expert belt. Further more, no energy is needed for the attack. Gyarados also easily goes through Donphan, so the only matchup I imagine it suffers is just Cursegar. Otherwise, everything else it does pretty well against other decks, so I won't be surprised if it wins lots of states.
2. Cursegar/ Spiritomb- Although a bit slow, it seen lots of play in the Benelux Cup. That's because currently, it is the best decks to utilize Spiritomb, better than even Glistomb and Magnezone/Spiritomb. The strategy is simple. Use Gengar Ar's Shadow Skip to do 60, and then switch to Spiritomb to trainer lock. Repeat this for several turns and this can really lock or oopponent from using trainers. Futher more, it can take advantage of Gengar SF and Gengar Lv. X to bring more potential. It easily takes down GG, as well as some SP decks, and even Gyarados, despite Regice goes through Spiritombs. Because of this, I also won't be surprised if this deck will win a lot.
3. Luxchomp- Currently the most dominate SP deck. The deck utilizes Luxray GL to take down important pokemon like Claydol, and Garchomp C to heal and also hit, mainly on the bench. Now with DCE, Luxchomp has pretty much become the best SP deck to use DCE. DCE allows Luxray to be given some speed without energy gain, and thus it takes good use of Expert Belt, meaning it can do either 70 or 90 most of the time, making it far more dangerous. Garchomp also loves it because this means Dragon Rushing is way to easy, and it can do so for almost 1 energy. With many techs to aid the attackers, it virtually does well against many matchups, not counting machamp. It came first place several times in the Benelux Cup, so it is no wonder this deck is having success.
So these three decks will likely have the highest ratio of winning states. Of course other will be played, but I can imagine that Gyarados, Cursegar, and Luxchomp will most likely be winning the most states.
Gyarados
Cursegar/Spiritomb
Luxchomp
These three decks are currently the decks that really shine at this very moment. I'll explain why each would have the most potential.
1. Gyarados- Although not really #1, Gyarados has really seen some success lately, and will likely see lots of play in states. It can be a very effective early game attacker, as well as mid-game and late game. It has very useful ways of recovery, mainly Combee SF and Pokemon Rescue. With Expert Belt, Gyarados can now One-shot Luxray GL, and it Luxray were to have expert belts, it has either Pluspowers or Crobat G for backup to do more damage. It can even utilize cards like Regice to get through Spiritomb or Mr. Mime MT, as well as discard Magikarps. That's where the second concept comes in. The big strategy of this deck is often to discard 3 magikarps to the discard pile, and have 1 to go to Gyarados. Once you manage to fully do so, you bring Gyarados to do 90, or 110 of there's expert belt. Further more, no energy is needed for the attack. Gyarados also easily goes through Donphan, so the only matchup I imagine it suffers is just Cursegar. Otherwise, everything else it does pretty well against other decks, so I won't be surprised if it wins lots of states.
2. Cursegar/ Spiritomb- Although a bit slow, it seen lots of play in the Benelux Cup. That's because currently, it is the best decks to utilize Spiritomb, better than even Glistomb and Magnezone/Spiritomb. The strategy is simple. Use Gengar Ar's Shadow Skip to do 60, and then switch to Spiritomb to trainer lock. Repeat this for several turns and this can really lock or oopponent from using trainers. Futher more, it can take advantage of Gengar SF and Gengar Lv. X to bring more potential. It easily takes down GG, as well as some SP decks, and even Gyarados, despite Regice goes through Spiritombs. Because of this, I also won't be surprised if this deck will win a lot.
3. Luxchomp- Currently the most dominate SP deck. The deck utilizes Luxray GL to take down important pokemon like Claydol, and Garchomp C to heal and also hit, mainly on the bench. Now with DCE, Luxchomp has pretty much become the best SP deck to use DCE. DCE allows Luxray to be given some speed without energy gain, and thus it takes good use of Expert Belt, meaning it can do either 70 or 90 most of the time, making it far more dangerous. Garchomp also loves it because this means Dragon Rushing is way to easy, and it can do so for almost 1 energy. With many techs to aid the attackers, it virtually does well against many matchups, not counting machamp. It came first place several times in the Benelux Cup, so it is no wonder this deck is having success.
So these three decks will likely have the highest ratio of winning states. Of course other will be played, but I can imagine that Gyarados, Cursegar, and Luxchomp will most likely be winning the most states.
darkrai947
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You know, JPN Gallade is really right on. I think there are some gyarados that will win, a bit cursegar (although I think there will be a few places people will tech around it), and some really good luxchomp decks. IDK, we just got one more day until we find out!
Cursegar will see play, but will not be the best. Gyarados is overhyped and will fail, together with alle the new pokes from HGSS, formely Donphan, Jumpluff and Typhlosion builds. SP will dominate, especially LuxChomp and DialgaChomp, winning the most states. GG will see play, but are too slow compared to SP. Flygon varients can actually make it. Other decks will fail.
... Just theory, but sounds right to me.
... Just theory, but sounds right to me.
Ok so... what deck always beats luxchomp etc and does ok among others? are we going to see a lot of sp mirror matches?
In my opinion Flygon Variants with the old and very well known "3SW-and-1RR-Trapinch-Line!" will do extremly well,
because Trapinch locks Spiri and locks your oppenents without spiri....
so just a counter angainst SP´s and you have one of thev best decks in our format!
(Memory Berry - Nidoqueen - Dusknoir - DCE - Trapinch - Techs - More - They´re all so good!!!!)
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Oh and Flychamp normally beats LuxChomp
because Trapinch locks Spiri and locks your oppenents without spiri....
so just a counter angainst SP´s and you have one of thev best decks in our format!
(Memory Berry - Nidoqueen - Dusknoir - DCE - Trapinch - Techs - More - They´re all so good!!!!)
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Oh and Flychamp normally beats LuxChomp
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swampert97
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Not if you know how to play pokemon.
pokemonrocks777
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ok new deck that everyone will hate machamp/ dolphan prime hahahahahaha
swampert97
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Depends on both sides, if flychamp has a good list and is prepared it should have a positive matchup, especially with the release of dce. I know that good Luxchomps beat average Flychamps but if flychamp knows what hes doing he should win.
smacktack15
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I thought FlyChamp was a bad match-up for LuxChomp but, I beat it in the finals of my SPT because of speed and disruption. LuxChomp has a basic 50/50 w/ every deck atm.