MinnesotaFTW
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Yes, I was born in Minnesota. Thus I am from Minnesota. So MinnesotaFTW!!!!:biggrin:
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Whicker's Bickers - Round 2 (2007 Edition)
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Yes, I was born in Minnesota. Thus I am from Minnesota. So MinnesotaFTW!!!!:biggrin:
5 more people that are in attendance then. How does that hurt?
Plus, you ignore the scale of the event. Regionals carries much more prestige and weight than any State Championship, so more will be compelled to go.
Team Cook said:
Show me what's wrong with my logic then. I have yet to see any of that addressed.
super goku ken
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say Mike sry for not comeing to State but I will not Miss this one......
Team Cook Mom
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It hurts because you are expecting us to give up our huge attendance numbers locally to accommodate those 5 players from Oklahoma.
I don't feel like going back and rereading everything, but didn't you say that Oklahoma players want to play to earn premier rating points? So, why did the others miss the chance to play at Texas States -- only 3 hours away? Or are those 5 players the only OK players you were talking about? Please don't tell me all this arguing is about 5 players! :wink:
Whicker said:
Okay, so, what... twice as many? three times as many? four???? That's still a small number in the whole scheme of things.
Whicker said:
I'll let the numbers speak for me:
The Woodlands City Championships (2006-2007) -- 122 players :clap:
Gym Challenge in The Woodlands (2006) -- 175 players
Hopefully, you'll see that Mike doesn't NOT care about Oklahomans. He just likes HUGE events. :tongue:
Arcanine 274
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Well, for me, my parents had other plans, so I couldn't go.
I'm pretty sure I've countered all of your arguments already. I advise you read the thread if you care to find out what they are, but I will tell you that no one has yet to refute any of my arguments.
Not to mention, this:
Not to mention, this:
essentially proved my point for me...Team Cook Mom said:
HornetsBasketballFan
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Well lets see...
Brian and Chris couldnt come due to Car Troubles
Savvanah and her 2 Siblings coouldnt go due to Previous Comminments
Same with Susan and her Sister
Troy and Lucas's parent's were to busy
There are 9 people...There are more, I just dont know why they didnt go.
Dont base the amount of people wanting to play on one Tourny. Also, Even if it was just one person from Oklahoma, we still deserve the oppertunity to play in an permir event, which isnt possible with the location of regionals. IMO, there really isnt much arguement valid to counter the idea that moving the regionals to D/FW wouldnt accomidate to everyone. 3 Hours for every>7 Hours for few.
If you can't see a valid argument to counter the idea, yet the decision still stands, perhaps you're missing part of the equation.
The decision is made. Dates are set, venues reserved, plans made. Any further attempts to offer 'persuasion', whether it be logical or otherwise, really doesn't serve your cause in a positive manner.
S.
HornetsBasketballFan
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We are argueing for next year, not this year. This year is already set in stone...We know this. Maybe you should read the posts before saying we are trying to change this year.
Given that the location for next year hasn't even been announced, your statement has no validity. Additionally, nowhere in my post did I even state that I thought moving this year's Regionals was your goal. I can, upon review, see how that could be inferred (unlike some people, I am able to recognize that regardless of my intent, it is how my statements are interpreted that matter).
Nobody disagrees with the assertion that geographically, Arlington is superior to Houston with respect to providing more equitable access to all Southern Plains Regionals players. Nobody.
Given that fact, along with the fact that Regionals will now have been held in Houston two years running, it should be fairly obvious, even to the most casual observer, that there must be some other criteria, some 'X' factor, if you will, that causes Arlington to not be the locale.
It boils down to this. If I were PUI, deciding where to farm out the S.P. Regionals next year, and I saw you relentlessly deriding my PTO without a clear understanding of all factors that went into the decision, acting in a manner which is counterproductive to the cause you are championing, I'd be looking for a venue in Brownsville. We know Oklahoma players are unhappy about it. But continuing to be abusive will not in any way add positive value to your argument.
Case in point. Do you honestly think this statement will in any way endear me to you and perhaps persuade me to coming around to your way of thinking?
S.
HornetsBasketballFan
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Spotter said:
No, I had assumed you thought that we were arguing over this year's regionals, when after your last post, I see you were not. I apologize if I came off as rude.
MrMeches
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Whicker, my apologies for calling you a bad apple. A little over the line and I retract the statement. However, do not pick apart the statement you want ot qualify and not the entirity of the post.
If you look at the beginning of it, I actually did agree that DFW is more Centrally located for the Southern Plains.
If your arugment is solely based on the inclusion of Players, then I expect to see you defend why Nationals is held in Ohio and not a more centrally located venue in the US so everyone can attend. It is the same principal as the Regionals being held in their locations across the US.
The point you are still missing here is that what you are typing is not being RECEIVED as a formal complaint, but as a threat. That is what I basically posted to you.
Flame me if you like, but you know I will engage you face to face, and it will still come down to, you are just not getting the whole picture of things. If you had a business, and could put it on street corner A that brought you 25 customers a day buying only $5 of product or street corner B that brought you 75 customers a day buying only $5 of product, where would you put it? This is the simple truth, nothing more and nothing less.
MinnesotaFTW, be at OK States, I would love to engage with you in conversation, if you can muster the fortitude to do so. PLease I encourage you. I wold like to get your insight, nothing mor, nothing less.
It is simple, do not post subjective statements, whether you are Whicker, JKwarrior or anyone. What you write may not be embraced by how you intend it to be. Civility does not include idel threats as has been done here by multiple parties.
See you in OK States!
If you look at the beginning of it, I actually did agree that DFW is more Centrally located for the Southern Plains.
If your arugment is solely based on the inclusion of Players, then I expect to see you defend why Nationals is held in Ohio and not a more centrally located venue in the US so everyone can attend. It is the same principal as the Regionals being held in their locations across the US.
The point you are still missing here is that what you are typing is not being RECEIVED as a formal complaint, but as a threat. That is what I basically posted to you.
Flame me if you like, but you know I will engage you face to face, and it will still come down to, you are just not getting the whole picture of things. If you had a business, and could put it on street corner A that brought you 25 customers a day buying only $5 of product or street corner B that brought you 75 customers a day buying only $5 of product, where would you put it? This is the simple truth, nothing more and nothing less.
MinnesotaFTW, be at OK States, I would love to engage with you in conversation, if you can muster the fortitude to do so. PLease I encourage you. I wold like to get your insight, nothing mor, nothing less.
It is simple, do not post subjective statements, whether you are Whicker, JKwarrior or anyone. What you write may not be embraced by how you intend it to be. Civility does not include idel threats as has been done here by multiple parties.
See you in OK States!
Prof Clay
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If the Oklahomans wanted to show that Regionals should be held in Dallas, then they should have shown that they can travel there for such a "small" event such as a State Championship.
This weekend was the opportunity for the Sooners to prove that Dallas would be the better choice than Houston. Prove to the PTO's that they WILL travel to events there in decent numbers...
It had been argued that Oklahoman should be given the opportunity to they in "Premier Events"...As I understand it, States fall in that category and there was money, ranking points and trophies to be won...sounds like a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY...if you were too busy to attend this weekend, what are the odds you won't be busy the next time.
This weekend was the opportunity for the Sooners to prove that Dallas would be the better choice than Houston. Prove to the PTO's that they WILL travel to events there in decent numbers...
It had been argued that Oklahoman should be given the opportunity to they in "Premier Events"...As I understand it, States fall in that category and there was money, ranking points and trophies to be won...sounds like a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY...if you were too busy to attend this weekend, what are the odds you won't be busy the next time.
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Based purely on the numbers that you posted...
That means that there were ~80 Texans at Regionals 2005.
Since there were *not* 30 OKs at Regionals 2006, I'll give that number at around 10-15.
That means that there were ~240 Texans at Regionals 2006.
Assumption: A large portion (say, over half) of that 160 difference in Texas players in Regionals came directly from the location being changed to Houston.
Are there enough Oklahoma players that are willing to travel that would make up that ~80 player gap? You have to remember that PUI is a business, and they essentially control what POP can do. If you can get an event of nearly 250 at one specific location, but you have seen that you really can't get it at another location, then which location would be better suited from the company's standpoint?
That means that there were ~80 Texans at Regionals 2005.
Since there were *not* 30 OKs at Regionals 2006, I'll give that number at around 10-15.
That means that there were ~240 Texans at Regionals 2006.
Assumption: A large portion (say, over half) of that 160 difference in Texas players in Regionals came directly from the location being changed to Houston.
Are there enough Oklahoma players that are willing to travel that would make up that ~80 player gap? You have to remember that PUI is a business, and they essentially control what POP can do. If you can get an event of nearly 250 at one specific location, but you have seen that you really can't get it at another location, then which location would be better suited from the company's standpoint?
Whicker, I didn't have a whole year to find a venue. WHERE did you get that? (This is what I meant by "another uneducated comment". You keep talking about things you know nothing about).
The reason that I was silent for a long time on this thread has to do with me not wanting to put Birch in the middle of this. He has now spoken out on this, but regardless of what he says, it ISN'T his fault either.
A few months ago, we were notified by PUI that we were getting States and Regionals in Texas, and a States in Oklahoma. PUI was happy with the arrangement we had last year -- with OK and Dallas getting States, and Houston getting Regionals. (Like Vince mentioned, there was some balance to it). Fortunately for us, Birch didn't want Regionals because we DID (and DO), so there was no conflict, and no need for us to put bids in and compete with each other for the event. There was no need for PUI to step in. Things have a way of working out....
So, now you understand why *I* have regionals. And I want you to know that I understand why you want it in Dallas. But just because you want it in Dallas, doesn't mean that Houston is the wrong place for it.
Yes, some of you are acting like Houston is SO wrong for Regionals. Even going as far as calling our Junior players "brats". Last year, with Regionals going to a new PTO (me), and to a new city, there might have been some justification for some concern. But, after the success we had at last year's (250 player) Regionals, there should be no doubt that that Houston is the best place for Regionals.
We've done our best to show why we feel this way. It's NOT personal. It's just business.
My post and the many other posts on this thread answer the two burning questions: Why *I* am running Regionals, and why I am running it here (The Woodlands/Houston).
It's over folks. Let's drop this... and move on.
The reason that I was silent for a long time on this thread has to do with me not wanting to put Birch in the middle of this. He has now spoken out on this, but regardless of what he says, it ISN'T his fault either.
A few months ago, we were notified by PUI that we were getting States and Regionals in Texas, and a States in Oklahoma. PUI was happy with the arrangement we had last year -- with OK and Dallas getting States, and Houston getting Regionals. (Like Vince mentioned, there was some balance to it). Fortunately for us, Birch didn't want Regionals because we DID (and DO), so there was no conflict, and no need for us to put bids in and compete with each other for the event. There was no need for PUI to step in. Things have a way of working out....
So, now you understand why *I* have regionals. And I want you to know that I understand why you want it in Dallas. But just because you want it in Dallas, doesn't mean that Houston is the wrong place for it.
Yes, some of you are acting like Houston is SO wrong for Regionals. Even going as far as calling our Junior players "brats". Last year, with Regionals going to a new PTO (me), and to a new city, there might have been some justification for some concern. But, after the success we had at last year's (250 player) Regionals, there should be no doubt that that Houston is the best place for Regionals.
We've done our best to show why we feel this way. It's NOT personal. It's just business.
My post and the many other posts on this thread answer the two burning questions: Why *I* am running Regionals, and why I am running it here (The Woodlands/Houston).
It's over folks. Let's drop this... and move on.
Team Cook Mom
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But if you MUST continue to debate this, please do it HERE (as you can see the thread has been renamed as it was last year).
Mike started a new thread for the SPR because this thread has clearly gone way off topic again, and all the bickering has over-shadowed the true purpose of the original post, which was to inform players of the SPR and give updates as necessary.
okeball:The new, official Southern Plains Regionals thread.
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I guess the more recent "proof" was the whopping 5 Okies that went to TX states on saturday, eh?? I can guarantee you that more than 5 Texans will travel to OK for their states this weekend! I would venture to say that TX states will draw more ppl than OK states. So....who should host regionals??? TX Where??? Houston....the numbers say so....not "guessed upon" by Whicker and others. As the saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. The proof here is that OKies "had" a chance to bolster their argument that they will travel well to a nearer part of TX for Reg's and completely whiffed on TX States w/ only 5 in attendence. Last I checked, States was on the tourney locator list for some time....didnt just "spring up" overnight and surprise everyone with dates, locations, etc!!
Just a Tennessean agreeing with the Texans and Vince (MO) and SD_Mom (Cali). BTW, there were more tennesseans traveling more than 3 hrs 1 way to compete in several states this weekend. Lots of West TNs went to MO and several east TNs went east and south to SC & NC. Heck, at NC states, we had about 18 FL players in attendance, with at least 8 that traveled there overnight AFTER playing (and Heidi running FL event) in FL on Sat. Now...THAT IS DEDICATION to the GAME!
Keith
Arcanine 274
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Lol. It is kind of a funny name for the thread...;0
And also about the Florida people, how many of the players that came were under driving age? If there were some of them, how many of them have parents that play the game? Meh I'm tired of arguing, even with my whopping 3 posts (lol). I'm out unless I get bored ;O.
See y'all at States...hopefully noone on this thread will make me have an "accident". =D
And also about the Florida people, how many of the players that came were under driving age? If there were some of them, how many of them have parents that play the game? Meh I'm tired of arguing, even with my whopping 3 posts (lol). I'm out unless I get bored ;O.
See y'all at States...hopefully noone on this thread will make me have an "accident". =D