Why so few Kyurem?

[Darkrai*]

They probably thried a new way to order the packs before they go into the boxes.
I´ve seen someone pull 5 regular Eviolites + 1 Rev from 1 Box. Something definitely messed
the pack ordering up. Just look how they´re in the boxes:

There are four pack designs: a,b,c,d

Normally they´re packaged this way: a,b,c,d,a,b,c,d,c,d,a,b,c,d,a,b,c,d

In NV it´s like : a,c,d,a,a,b,b,c,d,c,a,b,c,d,a,b,c,a

A real mess...

And btw: All Reverse Rares are 1 in 121.

 

[baby mario]

Opened my case and got 5 holo and 4 reverse holo.

Oh noes!

TPCI is putting more than one in a box and killing the secondary market!!! :lol:

 

[SMP88]

I got 2 regular and 2 RH in my 2 boxes. I also didn't get any Chandelure but had both boxes have the exact same RH. Baby Mario explained the whole thing very well, there is no short print.

 

[espy87]

I've only pulled 1 Kyurem and I had to trade for the rest.
He is actually a very, very good card.

 

[espeon200]

I love how we talk about a single card being mildly unobtainable when this set has more playable cards in it than the past two sets combined...

Also, keep in mind that this is the Christmas set, just like Triumphant was last year. This means not only will it be bought like crazy as Christmas gifts, but it'll be the reward set for cities. I doubt very much that there will be many problems getting a few Kyurem by next year, even if (like most other foil rares) they're limited to 1-2 per box. I'm more saddened by the fact that there's no Kyurem FA in the set.

 

[TheDancingPeanut]

I opened three cases, and got exactly the same number of Kyurem as every other holo.

 

[K2theAblaM]

I've witnessed 2 box openings so far for noble victories and in both cases, a regular AND reverse kyurem were pulled. I don't think it's any more rare than the other cards in the set.

The difference, I think, is that Kyurem is MORE rare than the other two dragons making is seem more valuable. Couple that with the hype of a new set where nobody knows what the "chase" cards are yet and there you go.

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I love how we talk about a single card being mildly unobtainable when this set has more playable cards in it than the past two sets combined...

Also, keep in mind that this is the Christmas set, just like Triumphant was last year. This means not only will it be bought like crazy as Christmas gifts, but it'll be the reward set for cities. I doubt very much that there will be many problems getting a few Kyurem by next year, even if (like most other foil rares) they're limited to 1-2 per box. I'm more saddened by the fact that there's no Kyurem FA in the set.

Black and White has a lot of playable cards man. It's on par, if not more than Noble Victories.... it's just that so many of its trainers are reprints that we take them for granted, but as far as pokemon go, BW gave us:

Reshiram
Zekrom
Emboar
Cinccino
Zoroark
Reuniclus
Bouffalant
Professor Juniper
Energy Retrieval

It also doesn't help that any card worth a damn in this set was reprinted in a box or a tin, but still a very good set nonetheless.


Also, I completely agree with you on the lack of Full art Kyurem. It just doesn't feel "complete" without a matching full art set for the 3 dragons, when there have been a complete set of the three dogs already... in a single set.

 

[Hippowdon SaveSand]

Bought 3 boosters, pulled a reverse-holo Kyurem

 

[ALEXARD]

It's not a safe assumption at all. Not based on 2 boxes and the people you know. You would need to know the contents of hundreds, if not thousands of boxes to get near a 'safe' assumption.

I got 3 Chandys and 4 Haxorus out of 1 box and 8 packs. Should I go around saying that Chandy and Haxorus are over printed (or whatever the equivalent is)? On the other hand I didn't get any Ability Conkledurr, while shortybronx12 (post #12) has 6. Are they short printing Conkledurr for the UK and stuffing boxes full of them wherever he lives? Of course not, but that's the kind of ridiculous conclusion you get if you base it on a relatively tiny sample size.

Until there is actual proof that TPCI makes a conscious decision to short print some cards, people shouldn't start throwing those words around. The rarity of Kyurem is easily explained by the fact that normal printing will result in 0-2 copies in a box, they've only just been released, and players are very reluctant to sell or trade them. Like most conspiracy theories, there is no need and no real evidence for this one.

By summarizing all of the evidence shown here, we had seen up to 4 to 8 equally printed Eelektross/Bisharp/wichever in 2 boxes, while Kyurem barely reaches 2 from 2 boxes, for a 1 out of 121 rate for reverse landorus I got 3 in 2 boxes, I might missed Hydreigon, while others missed Conkeldur, but the so called equally printed Kyurem is not showing that often, disregarding the size of the sample, the result speaks for itself, thanks to the "conspiracy/sales strategy" is true that most players won`t like to trade or sell their Kyurem, but the low pull rate still persists.

You guys got some upsetting pulls.
At the pre-releases I went I pulled 2
My friend Tyson pulled 3
His daughter pulled 2
Our friends PJ and Patrick pulled 2 and 1 respectively.

Prerelease Packs can`t be used as a valid evidence, because even under an strict distribution control, you get random boosters from 2 or 3 different boxes, the odds might be earthcore low, but you might get the only Kyurem from each box... or even 4 FA, wich is not a rare sight at pre-release events.

 

[psycodad]

2 boxes and we pulled zero!

 

[baby mario]

By summarizing all of the evidence shown here, we had seen up to 4 to 8 equally printed Eelektross/Bisharp/wichever in 2 boxes, while Kyurem barely reaches 2 from 2 boxes, for a 1 out of 121 rate for reverse landorus I got 3 in 2 boxes, I might missed Hydreigon, while others missed Conkeldur, but the so called equally printed Kyurem is not showing that often, disregarding the size of the sample, the result speaks for itself, thanks to the "conspiracy/sales strategy" is true that most players won`t like to trade or sell their Kyurem, but the low pull rate still persists.

Sorry, but 'disregarding the size of the sample' effectively invalidates any conclusions you want to draw. Credible evidence for short printing cannot be derived from a small sample.

I mean, if we are going to disregard sample size, here is evidence that Kyurem appears in the same numbers as every other holo

I opened three cases, and got exactly the same number of Kyurem as every other holo.

Or, why don't we use this example to 'prove' that Kyurem is in fact a relatively easy holo to pull with an average of 1.5 per box?

Opened my case and got 5 holo and 4 reverse holo.

Interestingly, both of those posts are based on a larger sample size than yours.

The short print theory needs a lot more evidence than a few hard luck stories.

 

[psychup2034]

By summarizing all of the evidence shown here, we had seen up to 4 to 8 equally printed Eelektross/Bisharp/wichever in 2 boxes, while Kyurem barely reaches 2 from 2 boxes, for a 1 out of 121 rate for reverse landorus I got 3 in 2 boxes, I might missed Hydreigon, while others missed Conkeldur, but the so called equally printed Kyurem is not showing that often, disregarding the size of the sample, the result speaks for itself, thanks to the "conspiracy/sales strategy" is true that most players won`t like to trade or sell their Kyurem, but the low pull rate still persists.

A simple review of sampling in statistics would show why using a sample size of one leads to insignificant results. You're over-extrapolating the results from your one box to see only the results that you want to see.

To show you why you're making a logical error, I'll give you an actual example:

In the 2 boxes of Noble Victories I have, I pulled 3 Kyurem (2 holo, 1 reverse holo) in a box, while I pulled 0 Kyurem in the other. If I had used your logic after I opened just one of those two boxes, I would have either concluded that Kyurems are much more common than all of the other holo rares, or concluded that Kyurems are much less common than all of the other holo rares.

Sample size is really important when making inferences. A sample size of one is never enough to be able to draw meaningful conclusions.

 

[JimboPro]

in the box I have opened so far I got

5x Kyurem (2x RH)

1x Durant (its RH) <----- uncommon

0x Conkeldurr w/ ability

2x Rocky Helmet <----- uncommon

so judging upon my small sample.... Kyurem is the over printed card !

This is all ridiculous, all boxes are different, they don't short print it on purpose, it only seems that way because that is the card most people are looking for, so even if there was tons of them pulled it still wouldn't be enough !

 

[Shishio]

in the box I have opened so far I got

5x Kyurem (2x RH)

1x Durant (its RH) <----- uncommon

0x Conkeldurr w/ ability

2x Rocky Helmet <----- uncommon

so judging upon my small sample.... Kyurem is the over printed card !

This is all ridiculous, all boxes are different, they don't short print it on purpose, it only seems that way because that is the card most people are looking for, so even if there was tons of them pulled it still wouldn't be enough !

Man, so much jelly

 

[Mystery Thing]

In my first three boxes of EPO, I got 1 Gothitelle. Does that automatically make its print count low? Of course not.

As said, the sample size you would need to effectively determine if a card is indeed having its print count messed with is so large it's practically impossible to prove.

 

[Charranitar]

I don't have my collection with me right now, so I can't check for sure on these numbers (I'll asterick where I'm not sure), but this is what I pulled in two boxes.

-1 Kyurem
-2 Hydreigon
-4 or 5 Coballion
-1 Fliptini
-1 FA Virizion
-1 FA N
-2 FA Coballion
-1 FA Terrakion
-2 SR Meowth

Should have bought Kyurem when it was like $5 on Troll n Toad. Oh well, won't make that same mistake with Mewtwo EX and others in the next set. I figured I would get at least 3 Kyurem in my two boxes, but I didn't, oh well. I'm probably just going to buy one more before cities so I can run 2 as a counter to Donphan in my decks.

I only got 1 Fliptini in two boxes too, and 0 Landerus. On the flipside, I go ta ton of Coballion, which will be a very playable card going forward.

 

[lilszamora]

Out of 2 boxes I pulled 3 Kyurem and 1 hydreiggon but everything else was also about 3 for holo rares. Again if it wasn't so wanted it wouldn't have even been noticed that there "aren't enough" of them.
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[bluenation]

I don't believe that they print more or less of any particular card. But, I have noticed (starting with EPO) that the pull rates per box has been very skewed. At least it seems to be for the cards everyone wants. jmo

 

[JandPDS]

Have not noticed them being super rare

what I cant pull is Conklledurr (the one withthe ability) My family (3 of us) pulled 3 Kyurem at the Prerelease we went to; 2 reg and a RH. I traded one for a RH Chadelure. Then my daughter pulled a 4th in her 6 packs she won at Regionals.

 

[JimboPro]

I don't believe that they print more or less of any particular card. But, I have noticed (starting with EPO) that the pull rates per box has been very skewed. At least it seems to be for the cards everyone wants. jmo

It may sound skewed because the people that get the boxes with 6 catcher or 5 Kyurem dont come on this site to complain about it! Also again, I pulled tons of Kyurem in my box but no Conkeldurr or lilligant...

SO NOW I POSE THE QUESTION... WHY SO FEW LILLIGANT!
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