Will Nationals be in St.Louis in 2010?

[Wergoheb]

I am FAR more likely to take a trip if it is taking place at an actual Con, or something... I just couldn't see my self traveling all that way to play in one event.

I was AT Origins last year, but didn't yet play the Pokeymans. I was too busy scrubbing out of Vs System worlds. Best seventeen hours in a car EVER... I... think.

 

[The Gorn]

I luv ya Vince, you and your staff did a great job, but I wont be back to St. louis .Unless PUI insists on coming back there.

I didn't go because I really like Origins (which we attended).

If the event had been somewhere good (Chicago, Dallas, New York, DC, etc.) I would have considered it.

But I don't like St. Louis. And I don't like Kansas City either.

If Nats is going to be a stand-alone event next year, at least put somewhere that is a good vacation spot.

 

[psycodad]

I do have one suggestion though. In the future, try not to schedule Nationals the same weekend as Origins, and Worlds the same weekend as Gen Con. There are players who'd love to attend both. I'm sure it wouldn't ruin the scheduling of events to shift it off by one weekend. I know other players who'd greatly appreciate this as well.

I agree, it would provide more opportunities to play the game.

 

[Croatian_Nidoking]

Personally, I think PUI should move US Nats around like they do Worlds. Miami would be a good place to host one, as would New York, Seattle, or anywhere in California.

I wasn't at Nats, but it sounds like St. Louis, although a logical place to put it, wasn't exactly the best venue. I know PUI's had a good track record of learning from its mistakes, so maybe they will move it again.

- Croatian "nationally renowned" Nidoking

 

[Colts8729]

Personally, I think PUI should move US Nats around like they do Worlds. Miami would be a good place to host one, as would New York, Seattle, or anywhere in California.

I wasn't at Nats, but it sounds like St. Louis, although a logical place to put it, wasn't exactly the best venue. I know PUI's had a good track record of learning from its mistakes, so maybe they will move it again.

- Croatian "nationally renowned" Nidoking

California?? That would be pretty hard for people on the east coast to get there! Like New York, Boston,Philly, all those places would have a long ride there! Personnally i think they should keep it kinda in the middle of the US like Chicago, St.Louis, and other big cities in that area!

 

[homeofmew]

Pros:
Different place, more people there. Better for kids and no weird people at conventions (roll eyes).
Great place over all, plenty of room, and space to move about.
Rounds went by fast and had little problem with the actual event.

Cons:
Well the Hilton was a bit much walking was really annoying, no where to eat Saturday except that Cafe.
- NO FAST FOOD PLACEs ANYWHERE-
Gathering Grounds being weird like Paying $5 for Victory Medal and $1 for Rotoms/Pikachus. But I am not going to complain much. They much had a Monopoly being the only vendor there. Unlike last year where I could sell Pachrusu/Phione for $7.
- WAY TOO HOT
- Not Much to do- Yeah the side events were there again but not other games. For some reason it seemed they didn't give as much out at league as they did last year.
- NO POKEMON LEAGUE PIN/NUMBERS- I liked those sorry
- Cheaters- OK sorry... But a Shiney Empoleon in a Premier Ball in the VG Tournament?
~_~;

OH they Could have had the VG people in another room, JIMO. Sorry that was done really... bad....

 

[icemelter1001]

I never had trouble finding food, but getting to it was the hard part. Everything was really far to walk in the insane heat.

Sure there were plenty of places like Waffle House, White Castle, etc. But those are not walking distance and about a 10 minute drive. Some of the restaurants closed at 6 p.m.

As most I enjoyed Origins so much more than St. Louis. They posted pairings in the center isle, where do you think people are going to stand? Posting them along the wall might have fixed it but with 700+ masters I don't anything would have helped. This was my girlfriends first nationals and said she felt bored the whole time at the convention center. I'm positive she isn't the only new player to think that.

The judges were really strict with everything. Moving the Lv x off to the side, straightening your deck(which I now understand, thanks Heidi), and not being able to reorganize your prizes after using Time-Walk. Seriously? We've been aloud to do it all season.

It just felt like the only thing to do in St. Louis was go up the arch and attend a baseball game.

 

[thechubbss12]

Well In Gathering Grounds defence... They have been dealing with the typical whiny pokemon player for a solid 2-3 day perioid... I know its not to much to ask from someone but you all need to take into consideration that this kind of exposure can put alot of stress on someone. Thus making it alittle easier then usual to act alittle more "course" at times.

My overall experiance was great with the Grounds... Team OK all showed up on wedsday and had a blast talking to them while they were setting up. Realy great stand up guys ready to have alot of fun. But 1 point does need to be made. If you were selling cards on say Sunday after the event as hit its climax.... How do you expect to get the same offer on a card as someone who sold it before saturday? The low bid offers that GG was putting out was nothing more then smart buisness and even with other vendors competeing that wouldnt change. To put up an example.. Team OK had 4 or 5 guys walk out of the vendor hall with 2-3k checks in thier pockets from selling "As Advertised Priced" cards. So keep in mind that its important when you chose to sell your cards.

Lastly I think St Louis was an epic fail on Nintendos Part... Hands down the worst Nationals location possible. City was disgusting if you were out past night or even if you drove 10 miles in either direction. I cant tall you the number of times i got begged for money from a drunk or tweaked out guy. That and food was a pathetic fail or lack there of.

In all honesty this is not a city I would ever desire to take my furture children too.

 

[vanderbilt_grad]

This was my first Nats so I have no real basis for comparison, but if it were up to me I would have to say that I hope that they either a) move the event or b) make major changes in the way things work at St. Louis.

First the good. The city was easy to get to even with a 12 hour drive. St. Louis had some really neat stuff for folks to do outside of the event including the FREE Zoo and the (too expensive but really cool) Arch. The event itself seemed to go smoothly to me and I had nothing but great interactions with the staff even when we had to deal with a minor deck crisis for my son. I had a ton of fun meeting folks and doing things at the convention center.

The bad is pretty much what’s been reported above.

The Holliday Inn was TERRIBLE and I wouldn’t ever go back there. They were gouging folks $15 for parking when there was $5 parking on the other side of the building. AC was terrible in the building. Staff quality was really uneven with some being super helpful and others being pretty rude. Clearly change #1 if the event is held at St. Louis again is to avoid the Holliday Inn at all costs and use one of the other nearby hotels.

The food issue was a huge problem. Few restaurants or even bars were open on evenings or the weekend so finding food was a pain. Friday night we literally looked at 8 closed places & 3 fancy places that were open before finding someplace that looked even a bit kid friendly ... and as it turned out they were clearly understaffed for the number of people there. During the event Saturday we had to walk 5 blocks (past a closed subway and quiznos) to find an open place to eat ... and THEY told us that they normally only stayed open until the baseball game started and that we rushed them just as they normally would have closed. Had we had lunch break 10 minutes later they would have been closed too. The places we did eat were great, but it was just too much effort for what should have been something easy. Change #2 should be something to remedy this. The easiest would be to get 2-3 places like Subway to set up temporary stands in the convention center itself … though even that doesn’t really solve the larger problem of finding food before or after the event proper.

The vender was a problem. I’m not going to recap the deals and whatnot but I did think that the prices they offered were really iffy. My biggest problem was that just having ONE vendor meant that the line was HUGE. It was really hard to get what we needed when we needed it. Clearly just having one vendor for so many people just wasn’t going to work. Change #3 would be to have at least 3 vendors on site.

The convention hall was not big enough. I think that if you moved the side events and video game stuff our of there it would have been fine, but stuffing all that into one room was simply too much. Change #4 would be to rent more than one hall.

I don’t know if anyone else noticed it but the local Sunday paper had a blurb about the Video Game event but not one word about the TCG. It was like we were invisible and they city had no idea that all of us were there.

Overall I would prefer to try someplace else, but if the event gets held in St. Louis again I hope that there are major changes.

 

[Lawman]

I never had trouble finding food, but getting to it was the hard part. Everything was really far to walk in the insane heat.

Sure there were plenty of places like Waffle House, White Castle, etc. But those are not walking distance and about a 10 minute drive. Some of the restaurants closed at 6 p.m.

As most I enjoyed Origins so much more than St. Louis. They posted pairings in the center isle, where do you think people are going to stand? Posting them along the wall might have fixed it but with 700+ masters I don't anything would have helped. This was my girlfriends first nationals and said she felt bored the whole time at the convention center. I'm positive she isn't the only new player to think that.

The judges were really strict with everything. Moving the Lv x off to the side, straightening your deck(which I now understand, thanks Heidi), and not being able to reorganize your prizes after using Time-Walk. Seriously? We've been aloud to do it all season.

It just felt like the only thing to do in St. Louis was go up the arch and attend a baseball game.

Let me address the Time Walk issue. You are allowed to reset your prizes after doing the time walk. It was the WAY in which you replaced those prizes that became an issue. Staff and POP, after watching some of the games in the side events, in the lobby, etc. noticed that many people would go from a "normal" set up of 2x2x2 on prizes (think playmat style) to making a stick figure w/ the re-ordered prizes. That my friends is MARKING your deck! That is ag'st the rules and we (staff) went with a uniform rule. You can place them back down where you want to, just in the same PATTERN as you started the game with. If yopu start w/ a fan pattern or a stick figure, that is what you returned to. Understand?

Keith

 

[Hiro]

I honestly hope we are NOT in St.Louis again. I am happy to see that many people feel the same way I do. Let me go into some details.

First off location. St. Louis, when you just hear it and have not been there, honestly sounds like a great idea. Centralized, and a big city, so bunch of things to do. Well they got the centralized part down. Apart from the Arch(which you can spend only so much time at) and Forest Park(Museum was very nice, I loved it) not much to do. The Heat was too much, so the Zoo was out. I can't blame St. Louis for the weather, but the stuff to do was slim pickings. Yes there was baseball, but to go to that would cut out a huge chunk of your day and you would miss the Event itself so that idea is thrown out the window.

My friend bombed in Nat's and dropped after round 5. He had nothing to do. He was dishearten with Pokemon at the time and didn't want to do league or the pick up events. SO he went back to his hotel and watched TV. At Origins their was ton's to do. Not only the vendor hall but other card game to watch and try out. Also Downtown Columbus, OH was a lot more lively then St. Louis by far.

Food was another issue. I don't think POP scouted the Location that well. It reminds me of a Great Lake Regional a few years back where the room where we were playing in had mirror's on the ceiling. So the rule was no looking up during the match or game lost. The PTO did not scout the location. I think POP did go to St. Louis and took a look, but not enough of a look. The Convention Center itself did not have a food court, just a small cafe, and a few vendor carts of junk food(Not a real meal). Most thing's within walking distance were not open Saturday. To add to that POP didn't even KNOW nothing was open. After they announced the Lunch break they came back and said they were extending the Lunch Break longer for people to find food. They didn't know. Plus I heard that when they booked the America Center they didn't tell them how many player's they were expecting. The Convention Center sent out the information to the surrounding business's that there was a event for the weekend but on Attendance, it was put TBD or To Be Determined. That is code for 100-300 people attending, so most places decided to not even bother being opened.

Next the vendor, Gathering Grounds. It was said before by someone else, they had a Monopoly. $6.00 for a Baltoy, SIX DOLLARS FOR A BOLTOY! WOW. That's a rip. I really hope no kid bought that, but I have a feeling someone did, and wow I hope they feel happy with themselves. For the most part the card's were ether over or under price. The Toxicroack Promo went from $9.00($1.00 less then the promo and the book) to $12.00 a few hours before closing Friday Night. Most(not all) had no idea what cards they were being asked about. A friend spent a good two or three minutes pointing out a Uxie. UXIE! One of the most used cards in the game and someone who was working for GG had no idea what it was. I would have assumed that the people working at a Pokemon National Event as the Vendor would know what a Uxie is, maybe I ask too much? Some people working their were rude as well. Although some people talk about the bald guy, I personally had no problems, but others yeah I did.

National Event itself. 1204 players! WOW! Fantastic. I am so happy that the game is growing. I mean this was just great. Now the Size of the room. It was about the size of area we had for Origins(for Pokemon, not the whole hall). It was just not big enough. The area we had last year was not big enough, why did POP think they could use the same amount of space? At least with Origins people could spread out, but we were cluttered, and that was not our fault, but we were giving empty threats like 'Were violating Fire Code's they will shut us down' or 'If you don't move out of the walk way no one is going to Worlds'. That's not right. It's not the players faults that they literally have NO WHERE TO GO! Again poor planning on POP's part. They needed to pay for a bigger room. It's not like they don't have the money, the game is on the rise. I think they did pay more for the room this year then past years. At Origins they are going threw GAMA(Origins) to get the space. This year they go straight threw the Convention Center.

Don't get me wrong, I had a great time. But I am not sure about going back to St. Louis myself, and I know many others fell the same. Pokemon NEEDS to be at one of the big conventions. People at Origins were wowed at the fact Pokemon had near 1000 players for a National Event. This gave them the thought it might be a game worth getting into, or a way to get their kids in to the world of gaming. I know Pokemon was my portal into the TCG World, and I bet many of yours as well. Without exposure how will people know about us? Why are we not at Origins anymore, because Origins let more then POP wanted into National? What's wrong with that? Why have a player cap? What is so wrong with having everyone play? It is what we did this year. I didn't hear that anyone was turned away from playing, and we had over 600 Master players. I don't see the problem, so why was it a problem for POP?

I am a firm believer that we need to go back to Origins. We need Convention exposure But at the very least we need a better City for Nationals. More to do, and more option for food please.

 

[ApachePrime]

Personally, I thought St. Louis was a terrible choice for an event this large. The city did not accommodate us at all. This is saying nothing about the local people that helped out, simply the city itself. The city shut down on Saturday and did not have anything for tourists available. No amenities, no nothing.

The convention center was also poorly staffed by rude people.

 

[hitmonchan93]

In my humble opinion, St. Louis is probably one of the worst cities they could have chosen to hold this event at. Restaurants should have been easy to get to; instead, it was a hassle just to find one. Combined with the humidity, it made going to try and find somewhere to eat not worth it at all. Another thing about the restaurants is they closed at the WORST possible times. 5pm... 7pm... what? On that note, it made the city completely dead at night, with nothing to do after the main event was done. The city was meant for more business purposes than tourism purposes. Overall, it was a very bland and boring city with little to do but play Pokémon in a small, rented-out, space in a lonely convention center. I hope to GOD they don't hold it here again.

 

[Prime]

I guess I was lucky and didn't have too many problems with GG. I sold some cards, which I knew what to expect thanks to their thread, and was happy with the cash. None of the guys seemed rude to me.

St. Louis downtown was interesting to look at for a few minutes. It was quite empty, with a bunch of corporate buildings around it. Like many others, I had no success with food around the convention center. I had to order out food for every single one of my dinners.

I didn't have many problems with the Holiday Inn people, but I didn't hang out that long in the lobby every day either.

My attention was taken by helping the league, but the event seemed to run super smooth and there seemed to be a lot of happy people.

Did VGS really do what I thought they did? Did they only allow a percentage of the players to play in Nationals and give everyone else just a shiny milotic? I was talking about that all weekend. If that is true, then that is just horrible and the pokemon name doesn't deserve to be put on such a low ball event. 'Thanks for traveling across the country, you don't get to play, here is a shiny pokemon, bye!' :/

I missed the vendor hall and all the different options. I think people really missed the 'options' part of it. If you didn't like one vendor's prices, you could go see what the other 10 booths were selling those cards for. Some vendors would lower their prices just to push out the competition. It was great to just walk around and see all the stuff for sale, even if it wasn't pokemon. Rubber sword fighting FTW!

The convention center staff didn't seem that excited to be holding the biggest pokemon event ever. They seemed to be focused on riding the buffer around and pushing pokemon players against the walls. Water machines, which were often the poor man's access to hydration, were warm. The building wasn't open on Thursday; just to even walk around the inside would have been nice.

Thankfully I didn't have to pay for parking.

The Arch was LAME. But TPCi can't control that.

I thought the event was great, but a better location is entirely possible. More vendors would be nice too. An official store with souvenirs would be nice too.

 

[meganium45]

Man, is Vince going to come on and defend?

Nope.

I thought the weekend went well, but the logistical problems we had at Nationals would have been realized at most every other venue selected.

We had the EXACT same problem at our first Stadium Challenge in Texas with the food choices...and lack of after-hours...it it something I learned from there, and has been talked about with Pokemon for a correction next time, be it in St. Louis, or wherever it is held.

The other issues, are issues wherever we land.

The nice part here is that the ideas are getting out and being discussed, so that we know what needs to be improved next time around, either in St. Louis or elsewhere.

The issues that appear to need to be addressed at the next Nationals are as follows:

1. Availability or direction to reasonable food. Maps to food venues would have been nice. A vendor in the hall selling water/sodas/gatorade and hot dogs/chips, other foods at decent prices would have been nice. Especially after 7:00 or whenever they closed. None of us have a problem paying $8.00 for a REALLY GOOD SAMMICH, problem is we all have trouble paying $8.00 for an eh sammich. And no other food choices without getting into the summer sun...well...that should be improved.

2. The hotel issues need to be addressed. I know there was a room crunch in St. Louis this weekend, well before the weekend of the event.

3. Vendor issues. I know there were some unhappy people, but a lot of people were thrilled to get cash for cards they can't get rid of in their hometown. I heard positives, and I heard negatives. They did have a great selection of a lot of stuff, and don't think they ran out of ANY card. As for their buy prices...when you have 100 uxies in your case, do you really want to buy more? They made the offer, you refused, you weren't forced to sell. There you go. Just as you aren't required to sell, they aren't required to buy. They certainly aren't required to buy everything.

I am just glad all decisions are not made by the squeaky wheels of a few complainers on the 'gym.

Vince

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

I'm not going to comment upon the "Gaming Goods Monopoly" until I've seen a well-reasoned advocacy for it to weigh against my personal thoughts, but there are some other issues.

As a sixteen year old kid, who went having to pay my way along the trip, food expense and all, the lack of McDonalds and other fast food within walking distance was awful. In order to stay on budget in the city, I skipped breakfast every day but one where I bummed some Pop-tarts off of a friend, because the Holiday Inn did not offer any sort of breakfast buffet, and there was nowhere close enough to maintain schedule. I also skipped lunch and dinner alternatingly, opting to instead eat some granola bars and drink a Slim-fast from the hotel vending machine to tide myself over.

No offense to PUI, the convention center itself was clean, tidy, and I personally had no problems with their staff, but the dearth of cheap food in the city definitely renders me hoping for anywhere but St. Louis.

Also, I should like to point out that requests for the center to be moved to one's individual state without solid justifications for doing so are just absurd. Yes, Florida is a third to half the length of a drive that STL was, however, that is in no means equitable to the players from Oregon and California who now are forced to buy plane tickets rather than chip in gas money. Absolute centrality of location may not be attainable, but it must be considered to some degree in relocating from St. Louis.

1. Availability or direction to reasonable food. Maps to food venues would have been nice. A vendor in the hall selling water/sodas/gatorade and hot dogs/chips, other foods at decent prices would have been nice. Especially after 7:00 or whenever they closed. None of us have a problem paying $8.00 for a REALLY GOOD SAMMICH, problem is we all have trouble paying $8.00 for an eh sammich. And no other food choices without getting into the summer sun...well...that should be improved.



3. Vendor issues. I know there were some unhappy people, but a lot of people were thrilled to get cash for cards they can't get rid of in their hometown. I heard positives, and I heard negatives. They did have a great selection of a lot of stuff, and don't think they ran out of ANY card. As for their buy prices...when you have 100 uxies in your case, do you really want to buy more? They made the offer, you refused, you weren't forced to sell. There you go. Just as you aren't required to sell, they aren't required to buy. They certainly aren't required to buy everything.

1. I'd like to have the ability to choose to pay two bucks for an "eh sammich" or eight bucks for a "GREAT SAMMICH," rather than have that choice made for me by lack of selection.

3. I'm fairly certain they ran out of Poke Radars Friday, I found a PokeMom hunting for a playset that evening. I also saw that they ran out of Luxray GL X's saturday night or sunday morning. That being said, you're fairly right. There were a lot of things they did commendably - liquidating collections, Bebe's Searches for fifty cents, etcetera. However, there are anecdotes which reveal an underlying pattern of some less than savory practices which ought not be swept wholly under the rug.

Edit: I saw some tournament results mentioning the deli place, the something cafe within the Convention Center. Was I the only one who couldn't buy from that store due to the thick scent of acrid smoke?

 

[Prof Clay]

I am a firm believer that we need to go back to Origins. We need Convention exposure But at the very least we need a better City for Nationals. More to do, and more option for food please.

We do not need convention exposure...the convention needs us to increase their overall attendance and profit. We could do as Yu Gi-Oh did for their Nats and hold them the week prior to Origins in the same venue.

Granted there were problems with St Louis outside of the overall tournament, but there is no way a major convention is going to give Pokemon International free reign to run things as they want. You forget that the Video game championship will continue to be part of the event...Pokemon Events will continue to be FREE!!...it is contrary to this policy to have the players come and have to PAY to simply enter the building.

Origins should pay US to return to Columbus to save their dying convention...if you disagree with this well then you are misinformed as to the relevance of Origins in the general gaming world these days.

There are things that need to be addressed if we are in St Louis again...The Holiday Inn was terrible. and there was a lack of food on site. These things can be addressed and corrected. We probably do need additional space inside the venue...but that can be fixed as well.

If you want to go to a major convention, please do...there are many fun things to do there...but Pokemon does NOT need Origins or any other Con...OP for pokemon had HUGE growth last year again...I am positive that we will easily survive, adjust and thrive.

 

[Hiro]

We do not need convention exposure...the convention needs us to increase their overall attendance and profit. We could do as Yu Gi-Oh did for their Nats and hold them the week prior to Origins in the same venue.

Granted there were problems with St Louis outside of the overall tournament, but there is no way a major convention is going to give Pokemon International free reign to run things as they want. You forget that the Video game championship will continue to be part of the event...Pokemon Events will continue to be FREE!!...it is contrary to this policy to have the players come and have to PAY to simply enter the building.

Origins should pay US to return to Columbus to save their dying convention...if you disagree with this well then you are misinformed as to the relevance of Origins in the general gaming world these days.

There are things that need to be addressed if we are in St Louis again...The Holiday Inn was terrible. and there was a lack of food on site. These things can be addressed and corrected. We probably do need additional space inside the venue...but that can be fixed as well.

If you want to go to a major convention, please do...there are many fun things to do there...but Pokemon does NOT need Origins or any other Con...OP for pokemon had HUGE growth last year again...I am positive that we will easily survive, adjust and thrive.

I never said we would die by not going to Origins or any other Con, I just said it was good exposure, and it gave a variety of things to do. Yes Origins Needs Pokemon, badly. I really can't stress how bad, lol. But I do think a lack of exposure at a large Con(Origins or even Gen Con) MIGHT have a effect in the LONG TERM. but of course this is my opinion. I still stand behind St. Louis was not the best choice, but not the worst. POP needs to find a new location IMO

 

[ApachePrime]

Thankfully I didn't have to pay for parking.

Surprisingly, the lot directly in front of the Center was not so bad. The guy working there was friendly and the lot always had spots right up front. $8 for the days we showed up at 8:00AM, $5 for the others. Not free, but definitely not terrible.

 

[the_sniper]

Man, is Vince going to come on and defend?

Nope.

I thought the weekend went well, but the logistical problems we had at Nationals would have been realized at most every other venue selected.

We had the EXACT same problem at our first Stadium Challenge in Texas with the food choices...and lack of after-hours...it it something I learned from there, and has been talked about with Pokemon for a correction next time, be it in St. Louis, or wherever it is held.

The other issues, are issues wherever we land.

The nice part here is that the ideas are getting out and being discussed, so that we know what needs to be improved next time around, either in St. Louis or elsewhere.

The issues that appear to need to be addressed at the next Nationals are as follows:

1. Availability or direction to reasonable food. Maps to food venues would have been nice. A vendor in the hall selling water/sodas/gatorade and hot dogs/chips, other foods at decent prices would have been nice. Especially after 7:00 or whenever they closed. None of us have a problem paying $8.00 for a REALLY GOOD SAMMICH, problem is we all have trouble paying $8.00 for an eh sammich. And no other food choices without getting into the summer sun...well...that should be improved.

2. The hotel issues need to be addressed. I know there was a room crunch in St. Louis this weekend, well before the weekend of the event.

3. Vendor issues. I know there were some unhappy people, but a lot of people were thrilled to get cash for cards they can't get rid of in their hometown. I heard positives, and I heard negatives. They did have a great selection of a lot of stuff, and don't think they ran out of ANY card. As for their buy prices...when you have 100 uxies in your case, do you really want to buy more? They made the offer, you refused, you weren't forced to sell. There you go. Just as you aren't required to sell, they aren't required to buy. They certainly aren't required to buy everything.

I am just glad all decisions are not made by the squeaky wheels of a few complainers on the 'gym.

Vince

Vince, you and your staff were FANTASTIC! I appreciate all the effort of the volunteers as well.
Events like this don't happen without all of you and I personally want to say thanks for all your efforts.

I don't consider myself a "squeaky wheel" at all. Like Chris, I am just trying to point out things I didn't like or enjoy so they can be addressed and changed. Nothing else.

I understand we may have outgrown Origins, I miss Columbus but have no issues with nats. being it's own event at all.

I had a great time this weekend,overall it was an amazing event run smooth as silk. But there where issues that players didn't like.

I am not asking you to defend yourself at all- I have far too much respect for you to do that here or even in person( and knowing you I know how that would work out for me ), I am just pointing out things I think need to be addressed and fixed.

If that upsets you, I am sorry my friend.

John