Yugioh, decline and cheating?

[Pokemon Trainer Char]

I question when Japanese players was able to use cards in their deck not released in the U.S., I will go research it, but I am pretty sure one point in time Japan and the rest of the world had to use only what was in the U.S. meta, but what was in the U.S. meta is pretty much what is in every meta around the world outside of japan since the distribution of the cards in the U.S. is the same in every other country outside of Japan.

Perhaps that has changed, but I am pretty certain years ago that is how it was done.

If that's how it was then its not how it is now. I don't think you realize how game breaking one or two TCG exclusive cards are to Yugioh. That's how stupid the game is now.

 

[hunter994x]

Good point, I didn't really clarify that, original series was great...personally I enjoyed GX though (well, the fansubs anyways, the American dub got dumb after season 2). Personally I don't get why GX gets bashed so much, I personally thought it was a pretty fun concept, it's just after Season 2 (White Light movemet saga) and going into that Jubel saga that things just got weird/dumb.

Yeah I was talking about DDS, nice to know I have a $70 card lying around

Don't suppose you know the price of the rest off hand?

No, I only recall the Blue Eyes.

Speaking of which, there's a couple of DDS BEWD on eBay that are $100+ one of which is $149. Not sure what condition those are in although a NM one was listed for $89.

EDIT: I'm going to ask my YGO friends that I have on another site to see what they have to say about YGO's state.
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[darth_vader]

Used to play some YGO when BEWD was still the DECK. I don't like YGO because only certain cards are playable. YGO is all about comparing numbers (ATK, DEF, whatever). In recent years, they have added more special abilities but the basic concept of comparing numbers is still there. I remembered that back when I played, I would auto-lose if my opponent gets a BEWD. My best card was Dark magician, and Dark Magician lacked the high attack of BEWD.

For Pokes, there are more cards that are playable. Like, theoretically, even a weaker pokemon can beat a Reshiram if the Reshiram player lacks energy, etc. Granted, the odds aren't good but at least it is not close to 0% like a YGO matchup between some weaker guy and BEWD. There are also lots of rogue decks for Pokes since day 1, making the game more interesting.

 

[Crinus]

Their is just no diversity in yugioh like pokemon or any other game.

I got into it already over the issue on another forum and it seems yugioh stays in a state of chaos constantly from looks of it, down to people blaming Konami, but to tell you how bad the problem is, yugioh players seem to have low intelligence or something, they actually think Konami uses a "proven" successful business model and believe their is nothing wrong with the game.

Its like...........really? they dont see a problem with Konami?

Then make a comment that decks close to the higher money higher tier can compete?

it cant, best deck wins, their is no watered down higher tier, its not going to win, it never has.


Konami is a big problem.

 

[hunter994x]

I'm going to bring up expensive cards again: If someone spends $400 on the current top deck but then it gets beaten by something else and that becomes the top deck, people will have to buy that too and they got screwed over the last time. No card game should require that much cash to play.
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[Crinus]

What leads me to believe their is such a low intelligence into the game is people spending the kind of money they do in the first place.

but its the fact IF they had to modify a deck or come up with a new strategy outside of what was working, 90% of the players cant do it. Well they do do it but it fails.

On the flip side, their is some very nice unique strategies in yugioh that SHOULD be viable in competition, but fails in competitive play.

Say like Zombie/Warrior I use to run in the day, put down Marauding Captain, put out Goblin Attack Force all on the same turn.

I cant remember how I ran the deck though if it was both Warriors and Zombies or just Warriors and I had a deck for Zombies to, all in all it was some of the best strategies in the game that made yugioh be called yugioh, but fails to compete on large scale tournaments where bigger cards and decks with little strategy to them thrive, its basically going back to the idea the best decks winning and their is no skill in the game.

 

[hunter994x]

I found my second mention of Yata-Garasu returning next year while searching the web.

2012 will really be doomsday but for Yugioh. We all know if Yata comes back, Yata Lock will come back too.
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[darth_vader]

I'm going to bring up expensive cards again: If someone spends $400 on the current top deck but then it gets beaten by something else and that becomes the top deck, people will have to buy that too and they got screwed over the last time. No card game should require that much cash to play.
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I agree. As I mentioned before, only a few YGO cards are even playable. So, if you want to win, you must get those cards (at $400 or some other high price).

 

[Crinus]

Yeah their is no alternative competitive deck or cards either.

Its those same expensive cards, same deck.

yugioh players will tell you different, but I know better as it was like this in the beginning when I was playing.

 

[hunter994x]

Yeah their is no alternative competitive deck or cards either.

Its those same expensive cards, same deck.

yugioh players will tell you different, but I know better as it was like this in the beginning when I was playing.

I seriously wish more YGO players would realize how ridiculous this game is like you did. PTCG is probably the best alternative TCG.
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[Carvanha]

I only play the game semi-casually now. The game has become ridiculous, with $200 cards controlling the meta. I plan on playing evols after the rabbit craze turns out to be a fluke.

 

[Crinus]

I seriously wish more YGO players would realize how ridiculous this game is like you did. PTCG is probably the best alternative TCG.
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Unless they want to go the MTG route which has been around the longest and probably has more support out there, but some say MTG is expensive as yugioh is to.

So really its no wonder why Pokemon is becoming a more go to game now, cheaper, more diverse, fun, better people, and I would even venture to say way better prizes without even having to really spend much money.

MTG though is for people more serious in making a career at a TCG IMO though.

 

[hunter994x]

Unless they want to go the MTG route which has been around the longest and probably has more support out there, but some say MTG is expensive as yugioh is to.

So really its no wonder why Pokemon is becoming a more go to game now, cheaper, more diverse, fun, better people, and I would even venture to say way better prizes without even having to really spend much money

MTG though is for people more serious in making a career at a TCG IMO though.

Well, YGO players who do quit will probably look at PTCG as they probably would want to play something less fragile and cheaper than YGO.

I would have gone as far and have said that even Naruto CCG would be a good alternative but Japan is way ahead of us and I don't see anything regarding other countries other than the U.S. so Worlds may not even happen.
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[Crinus]

Naruto has issues with its distribution "less products being pushed out" into stores like Walmart and Target, its there, easy to miss.

What makes yugioh even popular is the anime, what makes Pokemon anime popular is the TCG.

What will most certainly make the Naruto TCG popular is the anime, their is the problem, because the only place you see the Naruto Anime is on Disney XD which is majority of people who own Digital still wont have that channel in their lineup, people like me who want to watch Naruto has to get it off the internet, I given up on english dubs of it and went English Sub way.

the company in the U.S. who does Naruto and the TCG are doing horrible jobs with putting both of them into the public.

Naruto anime and TCG had real potential to be the next coming of Pokemon of 1999 and they fumbled the ball on it.

 

[hunter994x]

Many Naruto fans gave up on the dub because Shippuden dub airs on Disney XD and the dub is really slow now. fans(me included) stick to the manga. It's funny because card game is ahead of the dub because it seems now it focuses on the manga. Good move by Bandai. The thing with Naruto and Pokemon is their spread out over different things while YGO tends to solely focus on the TCG/OCG.

They did mess up big time as we didn't get the anime until 2005(Japan got it in 2002 or 2003). However, the Naruto franchise is WAY better than Yugioh IMO. It's also full of stuff related to Japanese culture(including folklore and mythology) so people dont quite understand the concept.

Back to YGO since that's the topic. Knowing Komani, expect the emperor dragon, Raigeki and other stuff to get unbanned -___-
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[Crinus]

Bleach is just as slow, I dont know why the U.S. dont just skip the fillers since they are still like 300 episodes behind Japan anyway.

Naruto is more caught up but who can watch it half the time on a channel so few gets?

Onepiece, another popular anime has no following in the states because it aint pushed, its not even on TV.

Kevin Tewart as I said one time already is the problem behind yugioh in North America, its why its a mess.

 

[hunter994x]

Bleach is just as slow, I dont know why the U.S. dont just skip the fillers since they are still like 300 episodes behind Japan anyway.

Naruto is more caught up but who can watch it half the time on a channel so few gets?

Onepiece, another popular anime has no following in the states because it aint pushed, its not even on TV.

Kevin Tewart as I said one time already is the problem behind yugioh in North America, its why its a mess.

Also, like you said, other YGO players rip off younger ones. To be fair though, a lot of the younger ones don't really care about meta cards.

I'd also like to point out that YGO TCG wasn't booming until 2003(when I became intrested) while PTCG was a hit since Base Set.
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[Crinus]

I dont think Pokemon was too popular once WOTC lost the license though, I think WOTC had put the TCG in a hole of its own prior to the release of the Legendary Collection, which is why PUSA took over and they had to clean up a mess to put some regrowth back into the game that took a while to do. WOTC was destroying the game because they was using Pokemon for nothing more than a stepping stone to their very own MTG game, if you notice how much support and prize payout MTG gives over Pokemon at just about any point in history when WOTC had Pokemon, you see why PUSA didnt renew their license.

As for yugioh, I was talking about the need for Junior and Seniors division. Good idea, more I think about it, it wont work.

It wont work because age separation aint solving anything when what is winning is the best deck around anyway, 10 and 11 year olds are able to win with the best deck possible over someone thats 30 years old. Even though I will reference the 11 year old who won Nationals some years ago, I was right when I said Roy St Clair was probably a cheater and this was prior to his first ban, I would go as far to say that 11 year old is probably a cheater to.

Dont mean a 11 year old cant win at the game though, just had to throw that out there.

Ive seen some 11 year old luck sack in Louisiana win several tournaments and it wasnt his skill that won it, it was his deck, even though he had the nack for pulling the best possible card out of every pack he opened.

use to, Upperdeck when they was licensed to run the game, they ran the ban list based off what was on the Japanese ban list, I dont know if they still do that, but if they still doing it, the game is a mess world wide.

The only way you clean the game up is start fully banning (not restricting) any darn good card that even shows itself.

I think its ridiculous over powered cards run the meta over a unique well thought out strategy.

 

[goldberg123]

its kinda funny how u want to start a topic about another card game on a POKEMON website. of course everybody on here is going to bash on YUGIOH because they like pokemon better. this is basically a biased thread right here. yes there are some flaws in yugioh but also in pokemon as well. pokemon only has like 2 events every year so u play all tht time to be the best and u only get 2 tornaments out of the year to prove urself tht ur a good player. but at least in yugioh, they have something just about every month so players dont get bored and only play locally.

And to be completely honest if ur going to compare card games, this format has probably been 1 of the worst formats i have ever play in pokemon in my life. this game used to be fun and really enjoyable for making new and creative decks, now its all about who wins the dice roll and sets up first. this format is a dice rolling format. it stinks to think to urself, i lost because u went first. now tht doesnt seem fair or fun tht u dont have a chance to do good in a tornament because u called the dice roll or coin flip wrong. And also money wise, yugioh may be a little expensive, but at least only cards get banned and not complete sets packs. you can still use cards in yugioh tht came out like 7 years ago, and pokemon u can only use cards tht have only been out for about a year or 2. then the next format u gotta dump another few hundred dollars just to start up another collection and deck to be competitive.

i just thought having another opinion tht isnt to biased on pokemon should be on this topic

 

[Crinus]

Because if this was started on a yugioh site it would be shut down because they simply know all of this is true, matter of fact its already been shut down.

But most yugioh players on those sites when this is bought up fail acknowledge their is a problem with their game and will swear that their is more than 1 deck type that can compete and win, which is false.

Yugioh players are simply living in a lie about everything, thats why a topic like this would never survive on those other sites and why its bought up on every other site but a yugioh site.

Pokemon does have its problems, but its far and few from the problems yugioh has.