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Zoroark "Foul Play" ruling question against Typhlosion

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dustinahardy

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I couldn't find an answer to this Zoroark "Foul Play" question.

Zoroark's foul play attack reads
"Choose 1 of the Defending Pokemon's attacks and use it as this attack."

I know when Zoroark copies Reshiram's "Blue Flare", Zoroark is only required to discard energy if it has fire energy attached.

What about Typhlosion and Quilava?

Typhlosion
Flare Destroy - "Discard an Energy card attached to Typhlosion and discard an energy attached to the defending Pokemon."

Quilava
Flamethrower - "Discard an Energy attached to Quilava"

Because it says to Typhlosion and to Quilava does that mean Zoroark does not need to discard an energy?

Thanks
 
Zoroark would have to discard nrg for copying typhlosion or quilava's attack. When a pokemon refers to itself in its attack, zoroark must do as much of that attack as possible and is to be read as "Zoroark" instead of the attacks "named" pokemon. If you foul play a typhlosion, say goodbye to one of zoroarks nrg, same with quilava. Also, if you copy blastoise attack(reurn 2 water to your hand), then you must return 2 water if you have them.
 
You still have to discard. If a card references itself by name like that, when using it with zoroark, treat it as a self-reference.
 
The Compendium doesn't answer the question. Pokepop may be right, however the question is because it says "to Typhlosion" or "to Quilava" do you have to remove one. Under the second link, you are told to do what you can...you can't discard an energy attached to Typhlosion because Zoroark is not Typhlosion.
 
"to quilava" or "to typhlosion" is the card refering to itself in 3rd person.
this is one of the reasons why cards now say "to this pokemon" instead of "to <insert pokemon name>"
 
dustinahardy said:
The Compendium doesn't answer the question. Pokepop may be right, however the question is because it says "to Typhlosion" or "to Quilava" do you have to remove one. Under the second link, you are told to do what you can...you can't discard an energy attached to Typhlosion because Zoroark is not Typhlosion.
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"When a Pokemon refers to itself by name, interpret that card as though the text reads "this Pokemon". This has the practical effect of not including other Pokemon of the same name. If a Pokemon copies that text, it refers to itself, not the original Pokemon. (Apr 17, 2008 PUI Rules Team)"
 
dustinahardy said:
The Compendium doesn't answer the question. Pokepop may be right, however the question is because it says "to Typhlosion" or "to Quilava" do you have to remove one. Under the second link, you are told to do what you can...you can't discard an energy attached to Typhlosion because Zoroark is not Typhlosion.
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One of those tricky little rules in Pokemon was that for a long time when they translated the cards into English instead of writing "this Pokemon" they would actually write the name of the Pokemon. This caused a lot of confusion for a long time because of Pokemon that copied those attacks. Starting with Black & White, however, the wording on all translated cards changed to say "this Pokemon" which means you would copy them correctly. So let's break down what the cards you are talking about say, and what they really say:

Typhlosion said:
Flare Destroy - "Discard an Energy card attached to Typhlosion and discard an energy attached to the defending Pokemon."
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CORRECTED Typhlosion said:
Flare Destroy - "Discard an Energy card attached to this Pokemon and discard an energy attached to the defending Pokemon."
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Quilava said:
Flamethrower - "Discard an Energy attached to Quilava"
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CORRECTED Quilava said:
Flamethrower - "Discard an Energy attached to this Pokemon"
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Do you get what we're saying? When a card from before Black & White references its own name what it's saying is "this Pokemon" instead of the name of that Pokemon. So when Zoroark copies those attacks what he's really copying is the corrected version which says "this Pokemon."

Also, PokePop is always right.
 
dustinahardy said:
The Compendium doesn't answer the question. Pokepop may be right, however the question is because it says "to Typhlosion" or "to Quilava" do you have to remove one. Under the second link, you are told to do what you can...you can't discard an energy attached to Typhlosion because Zoroark is not Typhlosion.
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It's in there, you just have to look.

Q. Please explain Metronoming attacks where the attack mentions the specific name of the opponent's Pokémon.
A. Anytime an attack is self referencing (meaning it mentions itself) and you copy that attack with Metronome or Ditto, you replace the self-referenced name with the name of the Clefable/Clefairy/Ditto, etc. (Dec 14, 2000 WotC Chat, Q66)

Q. Do I have to meet the energy requirements for the attack I choose with Zoroark's "Foul Play"?
A. No, you do not have to meet the energy requirements for the attack. However, if the attack says you must do something or the attack does nothing, that part still has to be done. (Black & White FAQ; Apr 28, 2011 PUI Rules Team)

This combination of rulings indicates that you would treat the word "Typhlosion" as "Zoroark" when Zoroark copies one of Typhlosion's attacks. Because Zoroark has energy attached to it, you can do the "something" that Flare Destroy requires, and so you must do it.


espeon200 said:
Also, PokePop is always right.
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:lol:
 
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