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metrodj
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posted November 05, 2002 12:11 PM
I didn't know where else to put this. It's alarming news I got from another CCG game board...
http://board.btvsccg.com/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=31&Topic=3810
I'm hoping that someone in the know here can respond or let us know what's going on at WoTC in regards to leagues.
metrodj
[edited title for clarity - Pop]
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posted November 05, 2002 12:37 PM
I was all ready to post, "of course there is still League, they've just changed the name to BattleZone"...when I followed your link and read the whole thread... ![[Eek!]](../tcg/eek.gif)
Doesn't someone here on the boards run a League up at WotC Brea? if so...any news you can share with us? And I know there has been something lately over on Tourneys, about events at Westminster being cancelled; can any of you OC people shed any light on this?
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posted November 05, 2002 12:41 PM
Technically, the no league thing is true, but regarding the context of that thread, it isnt.
Yes, there will be no league anymore because it is being replaced with Battlezone (plenty of threads with info on that)
However, the cease of Pokemon League/Tournaments is false. WOTC stores may choose not to do league at their own will, but Wizards has not stopped to the program.
Basically, because that was from a Buffy board, and *most* people who play TCGs and don't play Pokemon really have no clue whats going on with it. (I just spoke to someone last week who said that WOTC had given up on the Pokemon TCG completely, months ago)
So no need to fret, Pokemon will be here ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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posted November 05, 2002 12:52 PM
SoSlow: I'm sorry, but I think you're missing the point here. The point isn't that WotC is not supporting League/Battlezone...it's that with dwindling chain-store involvement with the Leagues (Toys R Us, anyone?), the WotC/GameKeeper stores are allegedly stopping their support of ALL in-store gaming. And if a game store chain won't support leagues/tourneys...
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posted November 05, 2002 01:19 PM
Here is an e-mail that I had just sent to Mr. Gills regarding this issue:
Hello again Mike:
I have just come across something that I am very concerned about. Below is an person who claims to be an "EX-WotC" employee who was told that all league activities for all games were going to be ceasing indefinately in the Orange Couty/LA area.
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Hello, let me introduce myself, I am a former Wizards of the Coast employee, and I worked at the Brea location which MrApollinax is speaking of. I am here to give you rumor control.
The district manager of the LA Wizards and Game Keeper locations, has said and I quote "There will be no more people sitting in the back (of Wizards or Game Keeper Stores) playing games." All I can tell you guys that my former District Manager currently controls all stores in the Orange County and LA area as far as I know.
I don't know which member of upper management said this but this is also a quote. "We can sell a $40 game like Cranium in 60 seconds. But it takes us 4 hours, and costs the company $60 in payroll (for the Employee running the league) to make $20 from a league." Now I know the Buffy league didn't have an employee running it so that does not directly apply. However you can see from these Quotes, that the Upper Management of Wizards of the Coast is not interested in supporting gamers. They have said and I quote "We don't want people hanging around playing games anymore, we are becoming a game store now." Which seems really illogical to me, but what can you do.
I can also tell you that partly because of this, but mainly for other reasons. The ENTIRE staff of Wizards of the Coast at the Brea Mall has quit their job as of November 4th 2002. What does this mean to you? Well right now Wizards Retail is REALLY paying attention to Brea, and the stores in general. Also the Wizards and Game Keeper stores are looking at ways to expand their business, to which they believe cutting back in instore gaming will do. However nothing has been set in stone, so now is the time to tell Wizards just how important leagues are to them, before what has happened in Orange County and LA expands to all Wizards stores. Because instore gaming may not come back at the beginning next year, without you demanding that they bring it back. Lastly I will tell you this, to reply to Xandroz, as far as I know (it's been this way for the last 2 years I have worked at Wizards) the ending of instore gaming for the Holiday season happened the weekend before thanks giving, not at the beginning of November.
You can send your E-mail to [email protected] to voice this.
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I understand that it is customary for WotC stores to suspend their leagues and TCG events during the busy "Christmas" season, however, this message paints a much more disturbing picture.
This Gentlemen goes on to say that the District Manager for the Los Angeles/Orange County area wants all leagues discontinued because the gaming area used for such activities is, as he put it a "Waste of Space!".
Here is another message from this former WotC employee on what the District Manager had to say in regards to Leagues and such.
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Okay first off, I have another report from the league front. The Director of Wizards stores (He basically is in charge of all the District and Regional Managers, one step below our president of Retail), has said this on Wednesday October 30th 2002, when he visited our store to make it more profitable. Mike said "You know where your wasted space is (in the store), its back here (in the League/Open Game Area)." This is from the guy who RUNS Wizards stores, he thinks the area set aside for gaming is wasted space. Think about that! The guy who makes ALL decisions for Wizards and Gamekeeper stores, thinks the play areas are Wasted Space! I'm gonna be alarmist and tell you that the canceling of ALL leagues is coming, and coming soon. My guess is they will quit play for a month or two saying "We don't have time with the holiday rush coming up." Then after you have gotten out of the routine of coming to the store on league day, they will hit you with the "No more leagues allowed" thing. It is VERY odd that they have canceled leagues so early in November. As far as I know company policy was to end them the Weekend before thanks giving, which unless I miss my guess is November 24th. Ending them now is VERY strange, and goes against what I have experienced as a Wizards Retail employee for the past two years. I am gonna come out and say it, I believe they will cancel all Wizards in Store Gaming, and I believe it will happen by the beginning of 2003. Why, because the DIRECTOR OF RETAIL STORES THINKS GAMING AREAS ARE A WASTE OF SPACE! If they have not canceled your league yet, I think they will. So before they get a chance to, write in and tell them how much you enjoy the space they provide, and how much money you spend EVERY time you go in to play in a league. Make them see EXACTLY how much money is coming off the bottom line for doing this action. The new bosses at Wizards do not understand that in order to grow a game buisness, especially a card buisness, you need to give people a reason to play. Most people do not collect cards to collect cards for very long, that is a little kid Yu-Gi-oh/Pokemon thing. Most older people Collect Cards to help make their decks better. Ask youself a question, how many boosters are you going to buy for the Buffy CCG when you dont have anywhere to play anymore? (Hint hint, the makers of the Buffy CCG should perhaps write a letter) The new Wizards management worked in Macy's I believe, and don't understand what it takes to build a game buisness, MAKE THEM AWARE!
Okay, for those of you quite alarmed right now (as well you should be), I'm gonna let you in on a little Wizards secret. Wizards of the Coast is owned by Hasbro. Hasbro is VERY angry at Wizards of the Coast (didja hear about the guy who stole MILLIONS of dollars, from Wizards printing budget???). Hasbro thought that Wizards was... I dunno... a well run company when they bought them for like 500 Million plus. Hasbro has cut the staff of Wizards by a HUGE percent, something like 200 people work there from a high of 700. BTW this is all stuff you can find on www.gamingreport.com I would have posted links to the stories, but I don't have the time to search all their news Archives for two or three small stories about wizards. In any event, Wizards is REALLY afraid of Hasbro. So for those of you just pointing the finger at Wizards, please let hasbro know. I cannot find an Email address for customer service, they have like this account/message board system which sucks.
http://www.hasbro.com/pl/page.customer_help/dn/default.cfm
However I did find an address for letters on their web page, so please address all letters sent to hasbro to this address
Hasbro, Inc.
1027 Newport Avenue, Mailstop A906
Pawtucket, RI 02861
Please remind them that league play is good for the gaming market. That lack of league play makes you not want to buy gaming product. And that leagues make money. Also please mention that the District Manager of the LA/OC area, and the Director of Wizards Stores doesn't want league play anymore, and you are VERY mad about it.
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Mike, I SINCERELY hope that these allegations are NOT true. Wizards of the Coast is a GAMING store, as you know, and SHOULD have areas for fans of TCG's to have league activities (as long as it doesn't interfere with business operations at the particular store) so people have a place to play.
Very Concerned,
Marsh Schneidau
(aka Skywolf1)
[email protected]
I will let you know his response as soon as I receive one.
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posted November 05, 2002 02:39 PM
Welcome to the world according to HASBRO! 
The management of Hasbro would much rather you bought a $40 board game and played it at home. The "new management" of WotC has no clue what a hugely shortsighted view that is. I'd have to buy 14-15 board games every six months to equal what I spend on Pokémon. Like THAT will happen. 
Lemme guess... the Challenge Series is a waste of marketing dollars better spent elsewhere... 
Why do I get the sense that another huge corporate bungle is in the offing? 
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posted November 05, 2002 05:47 PM
Thanks, Skywolf, for your help in trying to figure out what is going on.
I'm an active, adult Pokemon player....I'm also the "Watcher" (Buffy equivalent of Gym Leader) for my area for the Buffy CCG, I recently started playing MtG, so I guess I'm a pretty active gamer here, 3 or 4 nights weekly. The atmosphere at our local store, and the attitudes of ALL the employees are WONDERFUL! I don't know where else I would go to play if WoTC takes this course
Seeing as how I play both games, I thought the information would be of some interest to the Pokemon players as well. I want to thank the moderators here for leaving the link to the other board intact.
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posted November 05, 2002 09:14 PM
OMG, my apologies to ... is it *dalmuti* in Tourney/League... HE heard about this BREA, CA mess.
WELL I LIVE in the LA area; CHRISBO lives in the OC area... I'll make a few calls.
I WANNA BELIEVE that it is an IDIOT Hasbro exec... OH YEAH... cuts @ WotC are ALL TO REAL ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif)
No way, THEY are going to kill FRIDAY Night Magic? Drafts? I see SO MANY people plunking down $$$ to draft magic, to play magic...
DAMN coroporate politics AND *masked my comments*
The Block of Orange WotC is kind enough to KEEP their SAT league going through the holiday season... Wesminster stopped theirs...
THEY used to have Ca$H prizes for ALL tourneys and after Feb or so of this year it stopped. IT REALLY disappointed a bunch of us... Hmmm seemed like the manager was NOT to blame after all...
WELL if so... I have NO PROBLEM finding somewhere else to play (but sure I'll email CUSTserv on this)
BE tactful and courteous please...
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posted November 05, 2002 09:32 PM
Sounds bad. I don't know what can be done (we have our own handful of problems with WootC here as you all know) but you have my sympathy and support.
Good thing there are no WotC stores in Europe...
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posted November 05, 2002 11:19 PM
All I know about Brea is over this last weekend, before the store quit apparently, they canceled all the leagues, saying something about the District Manager of Southern California saying that leagues were a thing of the past in all Wizards stores. I went to the Brea store the other day, and somebody I recoginized from the Block store was there, and the tables were all shoved in the back, with hardly any room for people to sit. What was once an open game area had a modeling display sitting in the middle of it. Oh well, I guess I won't be getting into Warhammer there after all.
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posted November 05, 2002 11:53 PM
Hey Freddy dont't forget tho'
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The Delegate program will initially be open to any Pokemon Professor age 18 or older in North America. Before those of you who are 15-17 or who outside North America get upset, look further down for more information for you.
and that info was ...
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As for other regions outside of North America, the distribution system for BattleZone and other Pokemo products and events is different than it is done here. We ship our products directly to stires whereas they go through different channels (such as distributors) in other markets. I am talking with the various WOTC offices to see if they will want to participate with this program in their areas.
So does that mean that if the UK doesn't do BattleZone.. and it's not like they have done leagues that well, than we get nothing.
By that I mean the UK, it seems that as a Master Professor I am alright but what about everyone else in this country?
Trust has to be earned and all that WotC UK have shown us in the past is that they can not be trusted .. do I think the UK will get battlezone.. NO I do not...
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posted November 06, 2002 12:11 AM
Never say never.
MTM is DOING what he can right now.
I do believe... LIPS will REMAINED sealed now... in ANY or ALL future workings of pokemon in WotC
I suppose some will HAVE to TO/Head judge more events... not a bad deal to European Master Profs...
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posted November 06, 2002 01:47 AM
Not a bad deal at all, Lee at WotC UK has said he is trying to get battleZone for next year and we would dearly like to believe him ...
Never say it is so .. cos sometimes it just isn't.. and remember "we can't always have what we want"
As to lips being sealed well that's a great way to encourage rumour and scare stories. Tell us what you can, tell us what you can't just don't tell us nothing!
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posted November 06, 2002 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by SD_PokeMom:
(Toys R Us, anyone?)
Actually I run a league at a Toys R Us. Toys R Us as a company will allow the leagues, it is up to the store manager. So if a store manager tells you otherwise, email me the the store phone number and manager name and I will make sure they know they can do them. But ultimately, it IS the store managers decision. ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
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posted November 06, 2002 07:54 AM
Here is Mr. Gills' response to my e-mail:
Hi Marsh,
I am not aware of any of this (except that I know the game space is usuallly gone during the holdiays for product). I have passed this along to the Reatil VP here at corporate. I will be gone for the rest of the week at a Mgic event so if you don't hear back anything until next week, that is why.
Thanks for bringing it up.
Mike Gills
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posted November 06, 2002 05:15 PM
Okay this is my 2 cents for this whole thing. I know the Game Keeper were I use to work at is keeping that they are keeping the league open though out the holiday season which is the first time they have done this since the Pokemon league started a couple of years back. The sad thing is because players come and play Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh there, so it has increased sales and league players for that reason of the other game which shall not be spoken. I also know as long as the league is supported by players it will stay around. So maybe all you need is to show the store manager that a league at their store will bring in players.
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posted November 07, 2002 09:12 AM
Hello Southern California Players:
This morning, I had received an e-mail from Freddi Scott, Director of Marketing and Events for WotC. This is in response to the e-mail that I had posted to Mr. Gills a few days ago regarding this very disturbing rumour that had been circulating regarding WotC ceasing all leagues all together. His e-mail to me, is below.
Thank you for taking the time to email your concerns, and allow me to take a minute to address your comments. Traditionally, the Wizards of the Coast and The Game Keeper stores run our Organized Play in our stores from January thru mid November. During the holiday season, the crowds and inventory increases that we experience in our stores for fourth quarter shopping are such that it inhibits a play area in most stores. We have done this since the inception of our retail business. You will notice that most TCG manufacturers also realize this trend, which is why most Seasonal Leagues end by November and start up again in January. 'Interim' kits which provide additional play and prizes are often available to stores which are large enough to accommodate both holiday shoppers and league/tournament play, but do not 'punish' those players who participate in a store that is unable to continue a play area in the fourth quarter.
Due to the square footage of some of our locations - namely most of our Game Keeper stores and several of our Wizards store such as Brea and Crossroads - we must end leagues and tournaments for the 'season' earlier than mid or late November to accommodate the large increase in products that arrive for holiday shopping. Those stores end in-store play the first week of November.
Wizards of the Coast retail division is fully aware of the importance of in-store leagues and tournament play to the TCG and miniature community, and has no plans to discontinue supporting it in the future. The temporary cease in scheduling is for the holiday season, and you can anticipate January events in all of our stores which have supported leagues and tournaments in the past.
For Southern California TCG players, our Wizards of the Coast locations at both The Block at Orange and Mission Valley in San Diego have the square footage to accommodate both players and holiday shoppers, and are currently continuing with scheduling events at this time.
Thank you for allowing me the time to address your concerns!
Freddi Scott
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Retail Division
HTH,
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posted November 07, 2002 09:54 AM
Skywolf, if you see my handle you'll see that I'm the one that started this thread over at the Buffy board.
As far as the email you recieved, I recieved the exact same one. So it is not in response to the email you sent out, rather than a blanket email it seems.
Myself and Freddi have been exchanging emails all morning long but in the end this is what I said in response:
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Thanks again, but you say from the corporate level. But that doesn't mean that the choice can be made by a regional/district manager, based on their individual busniess plans for each region and the expected numbers that they are given. I know from experience that if a business model that was accepted proves to be successful one quarter, it usually holds over to the next quarter as well.
From my experience with Wizards the closing down of the game area, this usuallly happens a week before Thanksgiving. With the economy the way it is right now, you cannot possibly tell me that projected spending this quarter is going to be so much higher than that of last year to justify closing the gamming area three weeks earlier.
This is where I am basing my complaint. The coments were given to my by someone who was there first hand. I feel that any district manager who makes comments like this does not know who their target demographic is nor do they care who they are. In turn my confidence in the stores under the influence of this manager drops considerably since I feel now that these stores really do not care for me as gammer, just me as a consumer and therefore would not understand the needs I have as a gammer.
The store in question is the Brea store, located at the Brea Mall in Brea, Ca. The staff of that store, the one that was very supportive of me and my actions, is gone. They probably had their own reasons but I'm sure this was one of them as well.
So with this in place I still stand by my opinion, the opinion that I am passing on to others to consider, until I am given justified proof that in-store gamming is not going to be phased out of the Wizards chain. I have since found a new retailer who will house my events and community and I am telling others of the same reatiler. With me and the others comes the revenue that I, as well as many others, used to spend at Wizards of the Coast.
I just want to thank everyone here on this board for showing concern and support for what is happening the gamming community in this area. Like I said before, the staff of the store in question was very supportive of my efforts but were forced to shut down due to orders that came in from above them.
If you like in-store gamming, tell Wizards that you want to keep it going. You can make a difference. However as is my confidence in the chain has dwindled due to this and I am not going to support the chain until the above reasons are met.
Again, thanks to everyone who listened and for allowing for an open mind on this issue. It is not my intent to say that all Wizards chains should be boycotted, but rather that the decision of discontinuing all leagues/tournement play is not a decision that should be made on a district level but by a store by store basis. What generates revenue for one store does not necessarily apply to another.
Again thank you for your time.
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posted November 07, 2002 10:10 AM
Mr. Apollinx:
I want to thank-you for bringing this matter to the forefront here.
Please keep us updated as to the situation in regards to leagues and such in your area.
As you saw from my earlier post in this thread, I had e-mailed Micheal Gills on this very matter, and he knew nothing about it.
Please, keep us updated as to the situation over there.
Thanks again.
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posted November 07, 2002 10:45 AM
WHAT did I tell you WOtC @ the BLOCK comes through... I LUV that place!!!
THANKS to BOTH Skywolf (indefatigable Pokemon Proponent) & THANKS to you MrAppolinax FOR getting this to our attention.
Westminster's shortening of November schedule did frighten me (and a recent LOSS of a very dependable & Knowledgable TO also sent chills up my spine, HE was not fired, he just moved on with life)
BUT it is smaller than the WOtC @ the Block.
Don't be a stranger, WE here are known to MAKE waves and Bring on TSUNAMIS if need be!!!
THANKS to MTM who forwarded any revelant emails!!
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From: The here, BUT WHERE shall we go? | Registered: Feb 2001
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Gordon Kane
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posted November 07, 2002 07:55 PM
Don't bother with mass protests -- Hasbro will be closing the remaining WotC stores after the holidays (my local stores has even quit accepting personal checks as a payment method -- a sure-fire sign that a store is closing soon and doesn't want to jack with NSF / bounced checks. If you want to buy, it is only plastic and currency at the WotC store in North East Mall in Hurst TX).
The enemy is not WotC - the enemy IS Hasbro.
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posted November 07, 2002 09:10 PM
Why do I feel like I'm behind on prizes and desperately trying to ram an Elm past 4 Slowkings? 
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posted November 07, 2002 09:25 PM
Because you're not playing Muk, LizardOTC. ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
Anyway, I know what it feels like to not have a place to play, especially when you know that people will go. I am so glad that we have two stores in our area that are going to support Battlezone(2X the fun!). Good luck to anyone out there trying to set up a league or trying to keep a league in existence. I really hope this turns out OK eventually, and that card game stores keep supporting the interest of many people, including me and my friends. Thanks for the info about MTM and what he is doing, Skywolf1.
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posted November 08, 2002 11:38 AM
I'm not sure about what they have said. I dropped back by Brea the other day. The gaming tables and chairs are GONE, like they weren't even there. Plus the entire store has been changed around (and looks really really crappy, and far to loud in my opinion). The only gaming table I saw was something they were using to hold Kids Games in the front window. It just seems to me like the leagues are LOONNNGGGG gone. Why would they be using former gaming tables for displays (what seems to be a perminate display), if they were gonna bring leagues back in the Winter.
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MrApollinax
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posted November 08, 2002 12:12 PM
Dalmuti, if you are looking for another place to hold tournements and leagues I have since found another retailer in the area who is gaming friendly and has a much larger dedicated gaming area that any of the local WotC stores. If you are interested in the info send me an email.
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