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Hairy Clefairy
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posted October 05, 2002 09:56 AM
Gosh NoPoke, one player already has the complete set? I don't even have any of the cards... apart from a Japanese Rattata delivered by Michel from MT Jean-Marc Schosse...
We're getting new players coming in all the time and I find it easier to talk about the cards available in the shops rather than ones that only a select few can acquire online.
It is a much needed injection of play into the game but I am going to wait and I'd encourage others to wait too - there is still lots of play in the format of New Modified pre P:Exp. There is little point I can see either, preparing for any future tournaments before April 2003 with DCI not including P:Exp for sanctioning.
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(NoPoke) I wish that we did represent a larger fraction of sales because then our 'voice' would be stronger.
One way of doing this is to wait for P:Exp to come out in Europe rather than getting it in from the US.
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(Michel) Could you explain me what a 'regular' player is ?
Sure thing Michel, I'm just referring to the average player that attends league, who doesn't go online and who plays for fun in-between doing homework and going to school. A more casual player than say us older guys who run leagues, who keep a national and international eye on the scene, and who have a presence online on the boards and who are pretty much in this game for the long term (Professors & Master Professors).
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(Michel) I think we had two solutions : wait and watch players stopping, or do something to keep the players in the game.
Some of us have chosen the second solution, and we've decided to try to find cards in the USA for the players who were interested.
True.
But. Making people aware of some of the new things that will be possible in the game upon the release of the new cards, well, personally I don't need to have the cards in order to be excited about the game's future. We are all talking about the new cards at league and none of us have any of them.
Also, once new cards appear at league, well the 'value' of the older cards shoots down. Casual players may feel they can't keep up, I view that as more risky in terms of keeping players in the game which is why I'm not going to welcome P:Exp at league until April.
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(Michel) Ask that nobody play Expedition cards ? If they want to do it, they'll go somewhere else
True ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif) Thankfully at our league the atmosphere is such that just turning up and playing a few games before and after lunch with plenty of laughs, is enough to keep players coming regularly once they find us. There is nowhere else locally to go, so I'm confident they'll keep coming even with the blanket ban on P:Exp in league games.
Besides, I have all the promos
Say 'Hi' to Laetitia & the Schosses for me,
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posted October 05, 2002 12:25 PM
Yep He has the complete set in both standard and reverse holo.
I think that he is selling his excess unwanted rares at 1 pound each.
When I get my boxes delivered I shall be running an Expedition draft, 10 pounds for 5 boosters, that should be fun as we will probably all be rare grabbing like mad ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
Why not come and join us once I've got the cards in?
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posted October 05, 2002 01:15 PM
Freddy,
Hello from Laetitia and JM too, we've played together this afternoon
I wanted that any player had the opportunity to have as many Expedition as he wants.
I've asked the players how many boosters they wanted me to import for them, and I've imported the boosters, as easy as that.
Some asked me for 2 boxes, others for 2 boosters, but everybody who asked me to import cards has the cards now.
I've also imported some extra boosters for the players who hadn't made a preorder.
With that system, every player, rich or less rich, has the possibility to have the amount of boosters he wants, just like in a shop.
Freddy, I think we disagree on a basic point ... you still have fun with the format without Exp, I don't
Some of the Belgian players (Laetitia, Jean Marc, Jerome, myself and many others) have clearly said that, without a new set, new decks to play, new strategies, ... they would stop.
Do you know that Jerome hasn't wanted to play 2 of the last 3 Modified tournaments I've organized ?
The game is already far too much based on luck (Babies) in my opinion. Where's the strategy in winning or losing games because of good or bad flips ? That's the game like we have to play it now, and I do accept it, even if I think that a system of restrictions on the babies could be very interesting until Neo 1 is out of the format.
I've won a game today because my opponent has flipped 6 tails against my Pichu ... he had 2 Typhlo and 2 Charizard fully charged. 4 prizes during the same turn and all his powered Pokemons in the discard.
Do you know how I call that ? Stupid and unworthy of a tcg.
OK, I'm now out of topic
You say you have fun with this format without Exp, me and some other players don't. If we may not add cards to the sets available now, and if we may not do it now, we'll leave the game because it's not funny anymore.
We don't always see things in the same way, and our conclusions are different. That's not the first time, ... and that's why I really like to talk with you
Please Freddy, be honest !
You don't want Exp for one single reason ... you want your baby to learn the game with as few sets as possible ! ![[Bounce]](../tcg/graemlins/jump.gif)
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posted October 05, 2002 02:07 PM
Nopoke, No-one overhere will pay 15 Euro (10pound) to play draft even if it's Expedition.
And i have tried out all the cards on the e-reader. But i also see no need to delay the cards because of the "gadgets" the e-reader brings.
There is no store overhere selling Pokemoncards, and 1 a few miles away and they have Legendary and sometimes base and jungle starterdecks(eeeeK).The big profit is out of it so they dropped it.( and some more reasons)
So if i can get my players cards i will do so.
None of the stores even started a gym.
So i started one this summer and the kids are having fun playing Base, Jungle and Fossil.
But they also found out that on internet there are much newer cards and ask for them.
I even heard another good reason to get Expedition.
Someone said: If i'm going to the worlds again next year i have to know how this set plays.
Good reason because at that time they also have aquapolis out in the USA.The american players will have beside not facing a jet-lag problem also the advantage of knowing this set by playing it in tournaments.
Don't know if there is going to be a change for European player to get to the worlds, but i like the argument.
I also remember when Legendary came out, one of wizards staff said on this board that players are not their main part of buyers, so don't think we players have a vote in getting Expedition in a normal way in Europe.
Now they are realizing that a lot of their Expeditioncards are being shipped to all over Europe and who are buying them??? Yes the players and some collectors, all legal because if you pay taxes etc. you can let ship almost everything from alover the world to you.
I even heard that Expedition is more wanted in Europe than in the States.
My points still is: if my players like to play with cards i can get only by buying on internet i will get the cards for them.
They can play with them in the league but not in DCI tournaments.
Next week í'm going to make a few decks with the expeditioncards in it and they can all play with them. Most of the kids are playing with my cards, so this way they can also try out the newies.
If i should run a league were everyone has to play with only the cards they own i had no league.
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posted October 05, 2002 02:33 PM
i'm totally agree with Michel, new sets let us creating new strategies and funny+ playable decks (and some cards have some beautiful pics)
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posted October 05, 2002 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by Apolonia:
Nopoke, No-one overhere will pay 15 Euro (10pound) to play draft even if it's Expedition.
Why Not?
15 euro's for 5 packs of cards seems like good value to me???
What am I missing???
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posted October 05, 2002 04:44 PM
People are spoiled overhere i think. Or just Dutch. You know what they say about Dutch people - never spend a penny to much.
Parents are not willing to pay so much for their children to play, even when they are allowed to keep the cards.
Some of them use the league as cheap babysit service.
For me personal the price is oke.
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Michel
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posted October 05, 2002 05:53 PM
NoPoke, 15 Euro for 5 boosters for a draft is of course an excellent price ... and a lot of fun ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif)
I think Apolonia and you do not talk about the same kind of players.
Seems that Apolonia has new players at her league, players who don't have their own deck, ...
The people at your league are more 'OP orientated', like you are more involved in OP than Apolonia.
I've run a tournament this afternoon, and some players have asked for a draft. We'll do it in a few weeks, but all the players are not interested.
Some others don't want to buy 5 boosters on the same day, and I understand that.
I think there are different kind of players, and you and Apolonia are not talking about the same
Apolonia, you're talking about Worlds ... I would go further than you on that point.
I've been with my daughter at 2 STS and 1 Worlds. Going to Worlds if the US players have 1 or more sets more than we have is like having a free holiday in Seattle.
What would a player do in Modified with Neo 1 and 2 against players who have all the sets, LC included ? What would a player do in Constructed if he plays without Neo and Gym ?
Of course there are side events at Worlds, and playing in side events is a lot of fun.
But if I have to be honest, I would say that if my daughter goes to Worlds, she will not play the main tournament.
Would you seriously propose to the Renton College team to play the Seahawks in an official competition ? ![[NoNoNo]](../tcg/graemlins/nonono.gif)
French players have lost the Fench Championship (STS qualifier) last year because Belgian players played Neo 1 for some weeks and the set was not released in France (it has been released on the day of the Championship).
Belgian players have won everything in Paris that day ... where's Pokemon in France now ? Was it funny for the French players to play against players who played cards they had never seen ?
According to what they said, the answer is clearly no.
I don't want that the same happens to European players in Seattle next year.
We, as players, maybe don't make the biggest part of Pokemon sales.
But what would be a tcg, even if it's called Pokemon, without players ? Wizards could sell stickers instead of cards !
Let's imagine that there are no people like us anymore, that there are no people to run tournaments or to take care of a league.
Let's imagine that because nothing is organized anymore, players quit the game, cards are sold to people who don't play and to nobody else.
Easier for WotC, the new Gengar could say 'Eat 3 donuts every morning or I'll put you in box with Sneasel'. TPC will find that funny (maybe !) and will want WotC to release a card Potion with 'Use this if you've eaten too many donuts. Flip a coin, if heads you're ok now, if tails run to the toilets'.
Maybe funny, and nobody will try to find a combo (except if there is a card 'Bill : put you cards on the table and go to the toilets then flip a coin, if tails the toilets are occupied') because nobody will do anything with the cards except putting them in a box (without Sneasel).
Pokemon is a trading card game ... game !
No players, no game ... we maybe don't make the biggest sales, but I wonder if we're not really important in another way
Last news : TPC has refused Gengar, they want 'sushis' instead of 'donuts'. Bill is ok, there are toilets in Japan too. P ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
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posted October 06, 2002 12:55 AM
Just reading through…
Michel – oh no!!! You saw through my plan for Pokémon World Domination!! Yes, baby Cleffa over here has just mastered shuffling and has already learnt all the cards up to Jungle! By the time she’s 5 she’ll be defeating Laetitia on the beaches of Hawaii!!!
It’s true what you say though, I do have fun with the pre-P:Exp format. I’m still trying to see whether Dark Gengar will work. I’m adamant that the deck ‘Laetitia’s Revenge’ can be improved upon to win even more quickly over the likes of Espeons and Murkrow/Crobat decks. My guess is once I really have found ‘the deck’ that wins in this format like Gatr did and Slowking/Sneasel did before those formats were cycled out, I can move on. Of course, I look at the new cards and drool, they do look very exciting. But this time I don’t want to be the first kid in the block who has all the cards. Working (playing?) within the circumstances we are subjected to with TPC/Nintendo pulling us one way, and the WotC branches pulling us another way is highly annoying, that we are all agreed on and it’s something of no surprise looking back over the last few years post-Harlan and pre-Worlds 2002. Maybe though, someone in the WotC offices will look at this somewhat positively and think, ‘well okay we screwed for now but at least we can regroup and get right our marketing in the interim period and which Challenges we can run before April 2003 comes along’. Maybe things are more complicated than that, who knows.
Has Jerome not played because it’s the same players? If it were a European Qualifier would he have declined in the same way? For me the best thing from this game has been travelling across the country and world. Like yourself, I have so many great memories from this game away from the playmats. I love going to different venues, different places, to play different people and to get to know them. There is a community of us around Europe just linked by the thrills of this game. I wouldn’t want to get bored from playing it whatever the circumstances. Jerome has done well to continue for the second year running victory for Europe at the TMB, as well as regaining back – and rightly so – pride for the Schosse family who in my opinion should have been INVITED AND FLOWN TO Worlds 2002 to represent Europe.
LOL anyone who plays Typhs and Charizards deserves to lose to a Pichu – that’s the ‘dark’ side of me thinking that.
Apolonia – good to see that you started the Gym for the kids who wanted to play. I also think that those who win a place at Worlds 2003 need to get ahold of P:Exp to avoid ‘set-lag’, but as there are no such trips *sob* for us older players it’s less of a concern for me. WotC-Europe have been kind enough in the past to send out to STS winners packs from the new sets so that they are used to them (Harlan was WONDERFUL back then!). The difference between your league and mine is that I still have players who still play with Wigglytuff decks and I’d rather keep these players, mostly parents who play with their kids, than exclude them by introducing new cards and new rulings from cards that they cannot yet afford.
Adamis – what is the Pokémon scene like now in France, will you be getting any chance of a French P:Exp prerelease tournament? What a great opportunity it would be to hold it in France next April, a pre-release European Stadium Challenge in Paris! I wonder what Ann feels about this idea…
Last point to Michel (again) – I played many French players with Neo1 cards in their decks at the Paris 2001 STS, but I know now why the Belgians really swept the podiums!
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posted October 06, 2002 01:23 AM
freddy, you dont have to look for that perfect deck anymore.
*coughjumpluffcough*
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posted October 06, 2002 05:09 AM
Freddy, first I didn't thank you for the name of your deck ... it's done now
Baby Cleffa shuffles ? Great, but what about flipping ? It's the most important in the game now ! ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
Of course we have so great memories with the game and the community, of course I don't want to lose that aspect of the game ... but that's something different. I say I'm bored with the format Neo1/LC, that doesn't mean I'm bored with the game itself.
I've looked at the cards, and tried to imagine decks with Exp and without Neo Genesis ... or with limitations on some Neo Genesis cards.
It's only my opinion ... but it could be GREAT !
I'm bored with the format (and I know the format will change in the future), I'm bored to have to constantly fight for the game too
All the time and energy you put in things like this Expedition question could be used for more valuable things, like preparing special tournaments, special activities for the players, ... or preparing new decks
I really prefer to spend time on helping the kids, or Wizards, to do something constructive.
Your idea about France is just great, and if something is done that way, I'll be there to help ! Just one thing ... why do the cards have to be in French ? I think that WotC will not make French translations in the future anyway.
Jerome hasn't played because it's the same players, but because it's the same format. We're still a 'big family' in our little Pokemon Belgian community, and the fact that we often meet the same people is more positive than negative. Just a question of cards and decks.
I don't have the answer about a qualifier, Jerome could answer to that. But qualifiers are not what we play the most
You want the 'ultimate deck' ? You could try the Venusaur/Meganium/Exeggutor deck.
Laetitia played that yesterday and had 8 energies on Exeggutor. Flipped 16 times against a baby and dealed 220 damage (I gave her a warning for unsportive conduct - you have to respect the babies !!! ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif) ).
And imagine the same situation with 3 minutes left ... instead of rolling dices, you flip 16 coins ... time is over and you win thanks to that. Isn't it a great strategy ? ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
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posted October 06, 2002 09:04 AM
Well it's nice to see everyone here. It's been some time but now im back..
Well I think Neo -> E-card is just great.. I have tested it a bit and it looks great. Everything we need is in it.. But the only thing bugging me is that the other players at our shop does not seem to buy any ecards. Why?
I can't understand it, ok it's nine cards instead of 11 and the same prise. But ok it's a new and great set. Why don't they buy it? ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif)
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posted October 06, 2002 09:52 AM
cuz maybe they feel this game isnt worth spending money on anymore...
great to see ya back. stay here, =/.
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posted October 06, 2002 11:48 AM
Hmmm, seems like we got off topic a bit but I will add to off-topic a bit as well.
Michel and FreddyK: Exped, IMHO, doesn't add much except more flipping to the game. Michel and Jean Marc will most likely agree. As competitive players, flips can loose you the game, unless you are able to flip more heads than tails, not a skill we have master in our household.
We, our family, just finished playing two drafts of using Exped. Based on our fun games, we all came to the realization that there are so many cards requiring flipping or status effects that full heal trainer will be required in each deck or trainers to allow you to search to evolve to heal your Poke. Again, flipping is part of the game but it appears to be more flipping than in the past. Also, we felt that there are not too many good cards in this set for competitive play. That's ok, we had sets like this before. However, I agree with Michel that looking forward, I don't see a good format. Again, WotC will most likely surprize us with another set.
Now, what I do see is a lot more potential viable competitive decks than before. This causes a problem for many competitive players because to be able to compete, a deck must be able to win against most other competitive decks. With the current format, Slowking with almost anything is viable, allowing too many decks to be played. Oops, we went too far. So, now we have to go the other way. Exped doesn't help this issue at all.
Again, we are looking at how this set helps OP and its formats. Not what is does for collectors or players who like to trade (I love my Exped Alakazams and the box top Alakazam).
So, I hope Europe gets Exped released soon in its market. Perhaps after playing it, you can tell us what you think of the set.
Oh, I do agree with Michel, unless a competitive player will use proxies and make decks, not having the cards available for playtesting in their markets "might" cause a slight disadvantage to that group, especially in obtaining sufficient cards for making competitive decks to play at major events like Worlds or Challenges.
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posted October 06, 2002 01:19 PM
i said expert and rich players because we must remember that the bigger part of players(buyers)are children thatbuy just one booster pack per week ,not one box,and through the net...
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posted October 06, 2002 02:24 PM
hairy clefairy: i'm not french, i live in Belgium... but it can be a good idea
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posted October 06, 2002 02:25 PM
I like to say something
We have a Great lady here in Holland who buys a lot of boxes Expedition and then sell it for reasonoble prices
I even have my set complete
but that is not the point
She let the children buy the single cards they need for a deck for litle money
Now there is gonna be a tournament 20 of Octobre and then they don´t allow us to play with our New Expedition decks because it isn´t DCI legal
We want to keep up with you States peaople then let us play our decks in a formal Tournament
I didn´t buy my extra cards to throw them away or so
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posted October 06, 2002 02:27 PM
I've talked about a box with Sneasel ... and here's Pokidad
You're right, we're now out of topic, and I think I was the first to talk about the format ![[Blush]](../tcg/graemlins/blush.gif)
But you're right too when you say that Jean Marc and myself prefer strategy instead of coin flipping.
I know what will be answered to this ... it's a kid's game, flipping is part of the game, you may built a strategy on flipping or not, ... but it will not change my opinion.
I'm not an excellent player, and I don't care if I lose against a better player or a better deck.
But I hate to lose against a deck full of babies just because my opponent has luck.
Do we have to train on coin flipping ? Yes we have, excellent European players do. Sorry but I'm too old to play with coins for hours, it's bad for my articulations
I've already prepared some new decks, and modified some old ones, with Expedition. We'll test that next week, and I'll tell you what I think about the set.
But even if we test like that or, like you say, we could prepare a main event with a few friends, it will never be the same as playing decks in tournaments.
Werner, please read the posts carefully
Nobody said that players have to buy boxes on the web.
I've imported boosters myself for players who only wanted 1 or 2 of them.
If you, or someone else, ask the players how many boosters they want, see how many boosters are needed in total, and place an order on the web ... who has to be rich or expert ?
I've imported more boosters than that for the players who hadn't reserved, so I have boosters to help everybody. Is that so difficult ?
Please don't tell me that nobody in Italy can make the sum of the boosters needed, can place an order on the web, can make a little effort for the other players
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posted October 07, 2002 06:27 AM
Just want to let you know, that here in germany, players are also waiting to buy and to play with the new cards!!!!
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posted October 07, 2002 07:25 AM
I don't think Expedition adds more flips to the game. This set has everything players want of a new set!
*New Basics Pokémon which improve older decks*
Bulbasaur has 10 more HP and boosts Venucenter decks, Totodile's Lightning weakness helps Dark Gatr decks to survive VS Grass decks.
*New Effects*
Burned, TM, Supporters... this is what we want from a new set. New stuff. We haven't seen that since Genesis.
*Powerful Evolution lines*
Venusaur, Tyranitar, Arbok: they are great cards, and depend minimally on luck. IMO all the luck-dependent cards are bad anyway, so they won't see any play at all.
*Trainer cards*
Everyone loves set with many Trainers. Neo 2 - 4 had a low number of Trainers, and finally we get some more. Now we also get more speed in MMF, exactly what everyone wanted.
*New weaknesses and resistances*
The Gengar line and the Darkness Pokémon no longer are without weakness. Some Pokémon also have weakness to Metal or Darkness, which really makes them "real types".
*Reprints*
Switch, Warp Point and Master Ball are back in business. These are definitely cards that players wanted in MMF.
*Easier to get many Rares*
You can get up to 3 Rares in one single boosters. Now it's much easier to get the cards you need. Any complains here?
*Lots of cards*
Everyone asks for more cards in the set. That's what we got.
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Golduck
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posted October 07, 2002 07:36 AM
And btw, Slowking isn't popular in MMF here. People play Kingdra/Muk, which Slowking decks have about 1 % chance of winning against.
The metagame here (before Expedition) is Dark Gatr/Steelix, Espeon decks, Kabutops/Steelix, Typhlosion/Ninetales, Entei/Ninetales and Muk/Kingdra.
Out of these, Steelix/Dark Gatr and Kingdra/Muk are the winning decks.
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Super Psyduck
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posted October 08, 2002 02:42 AM
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Originally posted by Golduck:
And btw, Slowking isn't popular in MMF here. People play Kingdra/Muk, which Slowking decks have about 1 % chance of winning against.
The metagame here (before Expedition) is Dark Gatr/Steelix, Espeon decks, Kabutops/Steelix, Typhlosion/Ninetales, Entei/Ninetales and Muk/Kingdra.
Out of these, Steelix/Dark Gatr and Kingdra/Muk are the winning decks.
Well Goldie it is also just the Kingdra variant too.
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Golduck
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posted October 09, 2002 04:10 AM
Yeah, but Mono Kingdra never won a tourney.
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Originally posted by Golduck:
And btw, Slowking isn't popular in MMF here. People play Kingdra/Muk, which Slowking decks have about 1 % chance of winning against.
The metagame here (before Expedition) is Dark Gatr/Steelix, Espeon decks, Kabutops/Steelix, Typhlosion/Ninetales, Entei/Ninetales and Muk/Kingdra.
Out of these, Steelix/Dark Gatr and Kingdra/Muk are the winning decks.
Well Goldie it is also just the Kingdra variant too.
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Michel
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posted October 09, 2002 04:36 AM
Sorry Golduck
I won a tournament in Aalst (14 players) and another one in Antwerp (32 players) with a mono Kingdra deck.
With that deck I've been 2d at the prof event at GenCon UK (lost in top8) and 4th in Charleroi (14 players).
Lost with this deck against an Entei/Magcago (2 times - too much speed), a Venusaur/Exeggcute/Meganium (1 lost) and a mirror match (really close lost).
Problem with this deck is speed. You can do 30 quickly (turn 2 or 3), while Magcargo can deal 100 damage or Exeggcute 80 or 120 at the same time.
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posted October 09, 2002 07:09 AM
Yeah, but Mono Kingdra never won a tourney.
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Gotta agree wit Michel that you are a bit behind the times.. Nitish ran wild with a 60+ Card Kingdra deck at UK GenCon.. Now okay he had too many cards in it but I have tried Kingdra/Centre decks since and they are very very good.
Pichu takes care of slowking and other powers, Centers, Focus Band and Scoop Ups the rest and Elekid is in there for Mirror Match and Status effects.
But getting back to exped I know our boxes are on the way.. GREY IMPORTS that is..
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