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Wai-Lam
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posted November 25, 2002 02:43 PM
Ofcourse I understand that flipping is a part of Pokemon. It has been around since the Base Set. But back then, it was actually possible to create a powerful deck without "flippers".
Sounds like another whining about the "they don't make strong cards anymore"-topic. But what I wanted to point out was that there was another reason why people want to leave (or already left) the game. Sadly, these usally are the better players.
Sure, they had to slow the game down bit. Otherwise Pokemon would still be Trainermon (which would be fine with me, but probably not the way TPC would want it to be). Rocket On was a great period in which evolutions were playable without reducing the game to an "Elm/flipEek/Trader/Elm/flipEek/Trader/Elm/flipEek/DoubleGust/KillStage2"-game.
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ShadowCard
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posted November 25, 2002 05:16 PM
Well, for those who argue that coin flips are out of control and say they are at their limit with battles whose outcomes are resolved over one coin flip, i say, worse things can happen. I know how that coin flip game decider can be fusterating. Some of those other things include you and your opponent left at 2 cards per deck and they manage to pull an elm. Or the no bench for either player and its all up to whose faster to KO the opponents active. Trainermon would probably become the result of bringing down the flips, as it was in the past. Why have stadium cards disappeared from the gamescene? what's with that?
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Pokesensei
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posted November 25, 2002 07:30 PM
Voltorb:Scythking pretty much summed how I feel in his post on your opinions so I`m not going to go through another long list of rebuttals.I agree 100% with his answers.
So,to sum this up into where this all stemmed from,I`ll quote you from an earlier post:
...is that I got 10 STINKING TAILS IN A ROW...
Would we be having this discussion if you had gotten 10 heads in a row?
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RaNd0m
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posted November 26, 2002 02:12 PM
Sensei, we wouldn't be, but not because he wouldn't mention it.
Because it wouldn't happen.
We all know the only way to get 10 heads in a row is if you're playing against RaNd0m, and A.) He's having horrid luck, or B.) He's tyroguing you.
Regardless, =)
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posted November 27, 2002 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by RaNd0m:
Sensei, we wouldn't be, but not because he wouldn't mention it.
Because it wouldn't happen.
We all know the only way to get 10 heads in a row is if you're playing against RaNd0m, and A.) He's having horrid luck, or B.) He's tyroguing you.
Regardless, =)
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I didn't know that you were in Iowa that much. ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif) I have gotten several heads in a row. I believe I have reached 10, but am not 100% ure. I have gotten 110 damage on Promo Scizor's Metal Pincer (its late, forgive mif I buggered up the name). That's a flip until tails attack. I got 8 heads.
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mysterioustrainer
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posted November 27, 2002 10:49 PM
I would be glad if the 15 and up division came back, but who is going to be there to judge it if all of the 15s and up are playing it. Would the professor program still be up if the 15 and up is brought back? If not, who will judge the players. Those Stadium Challenges are going to need help, but I will be there.
I am a person who voves to do whatever possible to get to every Stadium Challenge, Origins, and Worlds all to simply help volenteer as a Professor. I consider this the great challenge. I am a good Pokemon player, I proved that at the last worlds (top 32 in Prof vs. WotC Challenge) That means something to me. It was my goal last year, and I completed it. My Pokemon TCG Training is now complete.
Now I must use my skills to continue to keep the game alive to new generations. Like Ash promises to become one of the greatest Pokemon Trainers of all time, I now want to become one of the greatest Professors of all time. My goal is to prove something to everyone, I don't know what yet but 2003 is going to be a interesting year for me.
So overall I accept the current conditions of our game and I am glad we have MTM and the Professor Association, I believe that 15 and up should try to take the next step in the game, but who am I to choose for you.
As a Trainer overall my journey takes a new step, its to prove to become the best in everything Pokemon, not just playing. I am now a Professor, I would even be a delagate for Battlezone, but there is no need. I will become a Master Professor this next year.
So hopefully this means something to you all as in what I think of the whole 15+ deal. I am sorry if I offended anyone, but these are my honest opinions and thoughts. However I do wish you luck for those who seek what they desire.
Now on to flipping: I agree with DMTM on this one, its just a challenge to the game, Pokemon was built on challenge. Challenge of catching them all, challenge of becoming the best trainer, challenge of not laughing so loud about how Team Rocket gets blasted off again. Get the idea? Challenge is the life of the game. Flipping is challenge, risk, fairness, and variety.
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Golduck
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posted November 28, 2002 03:43 AM
I lost a semifinal in a tourney because my opponent got heads with Thundershock 6 turns in a row. 6 heads!
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mysterioustrainer
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posted November 28, 2002 08:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Golduck:
I lost a semifinal in a tourney because my opponent got heads with Thundershock 6 turns in a row. 6 heads!
Are you assuming that flipping is a good thing or not in this example? In other words, whats your feedback on this event?
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posted November 28, 2002 10:24 PM
Luck is part of the game.
Deal with it.
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IPGeek21
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posted November 28, 2002 11:07 PM
Base Set was awesome.
Something had to give for the DRAWING power.
Flips came to be.
This IS A KIDS GAME.
NOT one expected to be SO scrutinized.
I wonder IF because the GAME's dynamics ARE NOT CHANGED... yes the game gets boring yet has grown in complexity.
OTHER games DO NOT have drawing power.... BUT game WIN STATES change, strategies change with each NEW set, GAME RULES updated.
I REALLY TRULY do feel WotC MASTERS of the TCG to some degree can do LITTLE to satisfy WHAT THEY KNOW (and they do) TO MAKE this a GAMER's game.
NO blame... just an opinion about the game and where it has been, where it is... where shall it be? That is for US to decide.
I am so bummed about Voltorb43's decision... if its true... I hope he at least enjoyed the company and the game... ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif)
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LuMaga1
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posted November 30, 2002 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Pokesensei:
So,to sum this up into where this all stemmed from,I`ll quote you from an earlier post:
...is that I got 10 STINKING TAILS IN A ROW...
Would we be having this discussion if you had gotten 10 heads in a row?
`Sensei
I don't mean to intrude here, but didn't WOTC ban the electronic flipper of doom already?
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RaNd0m
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posted December 01, 2002 07:53 AM
More and more I realize that people who complain about luck in pokemon obviously haven't played other card games.
Pokemon, luck wise, makes it where a comeback can occur almost anytime. In Magic, and other games, once you're down, it's over. At least usually.
So Pokemon's "luck factor" isn't as bad as some make it out to be.
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posted December 01, 2002 08:40 AM
Pokemon is a 'flipping' good game
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posted December 01, 2002 10:19 AM
isn't the term "flippymon" given to a deck that relies on flips to win as a trainermon uses trainers to win? Anyway, i know cases where tails is a good thing, like dark hypno. I've actually gotten almost 15 heads in a row. of course, then followed a streak of 15 tails in a row (lol!). I like the flips, it challenges your skill level on how well you and your deck can adapt. Just as long as at least 1/4 of the set doesn't have a coin flip requirement, i'm alright.
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posted December 03, 2002 09:17 AM
My two cents: I've been tired of the constant flow back and forth. Really, I haven't touched cards in a good 4-5 months but I've kept up with the game and ideas going about on the noob level to not lose it completely. The 15+ thing has killed off a lot of the good arguing and idea flinging that was going on last year and a lot of the players who've dropped out, good friends of mine as well, have dulled it for me online and IRL. So until I see an interest in discussion and such, I'd perhaps be in it again.
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posted December 05, 2002 10:07 AM
I don't mean to intrude here, but didn't WOTC ban the electronic flipper of doom already?
Ray,it`s still legal for public use.I haven`t heard of any changes.
mysterioustrainer:I think Golduck was just referring to that you can get many heads in a row just like you can get many tails in a row.
Also,your main post was really good and had many good points.Alot of us are going to do what we can to make this game survive(and with some of WotC`s bad decisions not helping...) and will accept whatever we are dealt with.I just hope WotC can start a new trend by making the right decisions for a change... ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif)
I,like you,will do whatever I can to make the Stadium Challenges,etc..but I do not mind helping out.I lovehelping people,especially with the game I love.The friends,the memories....Good Times!
I may not agree with everything WotC has done,but I`ll never quit the game. ![[pumpkin]](../tcg/graemlins/pumpkin.gif)
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posted December 05, 2002 12:32 PM
Im really sick of hearing all this flippymon crap i really am.
For real you guys who complain about flipping did you ever play crobat when rocket on existed? You trusted the flips enough then so what is wrong with them now.
Really you have to think what else do you think you could use for flipping or should cross attack just do 80 damage=/
For those of you that hate flipping really think about it there are so many decks that dont need flips to run perfectly one of these is Entei/Magcargo. That deck only has to flip against babies so why not stop complaining?
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posted December 06, 2002 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Pokesensei:
I may not agree with everything WotC has done,but I`ll never quit the game.
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Amen to that Sensei! I'll never quit either! ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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Golduck
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posted December 06, 2002 10:09 AM
Yes, what I was trying to say is that someone can be extremely lucky and get many heads, but others can be very unlucky.
It can be very annoying for the person who gets paralyzed 6 turns in a row, but the opponent would probably never complain that the game is too flippy. Unless he got 6 tails in a row... that would make him complain how luck based the game is.
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Originally posted by Pokesensei:
I think Golduck was just referring to that you can get many heads in a row just like you can get many tails in a row.
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Pokesensei
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posted December 09, 2002 08:28 PM
Exactly.
I just played in a TeamPlay tourney over the weekend and we couldn`t get most of the flips our way, whether it was our flips or our opponents, for the life of us.When they did go our way,it was usually too little,too late.It was just one of those days though.
Should I quit the game because of that?
Hell no!
I had a blast as did the rest of us.I(we) may not have won that day,but I(we) have won many times before and will win again.
We all have our share of wins and losses as we all have our share of getting the flips and not getting the flips.(I just think I get more than my fair share of bad coin flips... ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif) )
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posted December 09, 2002 08:32 PM
I think fate has a lot of people's futures in this game resting in a coin flip. Although, most are choosing tails (tails being to quit) before that coin is tossed though. mines bounced back to heads ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif) ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
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posted December 10, 2002 04:45 PM
There is a difference between quitting and taking a long break. Many of those you guys think have "quit" are only sitting on the sidelines waiting to jump back into the game. They are just finding other things to do with their time now.
That's not a bad thing. It's normal for an off-season.
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posted December 19, 2002 04:22 PM
I agree Random,sometimes people need to take a break.We all get burned out sooner or later,no matter how much we care for something.Sometimes I don`t play as much and other times I`m going gung ho for the game.It`s all good.
Taking a break isn`t quitting the game and is perfectly acceptable.Quitting the game for selfish reasons is not.
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LizardOTC
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posted December 19, 2002 07:30 PM
Yeah, I'm quitting too! 
I mean, everyone else is, right? So then I should too!
And I can do it.
Really.
I can! 
I'll just put these 7 decks in this box, and I'll never touch them again! 
OK, there.
Wait... I need to count the cards in each one to be sure I didn't lose one last night at BZ...
Oh that's right, I was gonna tweak this one against Magcargo... maybe I'll just do that, and then put them away forever...
OK... forget it! Anyone up for a game?!!! 
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posted December 19, 2002 10:22 PM
Yeah, I'm using my break to actually start doing homework.
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