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RainbowWarrior
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posted April 10, 2002 07:58 PM      Profile for RainbowWarrior      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Hmmmm, my intuition tell me that this whole "is this gonna be a reprint set" is a whole lot of bunk [NoNoNo] . I think there may be a "Base 3" that will reprint for Neo-Champ modified, but I belive that this is gonna print stuff from the Vending Machine [Evil Smirk] Think about it...... I have scrolled through some of the stuff in the VM set, and I think it fits the 110+ card profile perfectly, and then take this into consideration, if there are this many complaints about the brokeness of some cards&combos in Base-Fossil, and the fact they have already rotated out those sets, why in their infinte knowledge and wisdom would they reprint those sets [Bored] . I just belive that all of this stuff is a bunch of bupkus and this is gonna be the English VM set [Razz]

For example, Vulpix is a popular 1st Set (001-151), and look at one of its VM cards

<BP> Vulpix 50 HP

(R)(R) Foxfire [10]
Before damage is dealt, you may switch defending pokemon with one of opponent's benched pokemon.

=[Weak]= (W) =[Resis]= ( ) =[Ret]= (C)
[Cool]
Now looks at one of its "ancestors":

<BP> Vulpix 50 HP

(R)(R) Confuse Ray [10]
Flip a coin. If heads, the defending Pokemon is confused.

=[Weak]= (W) =[Resis]= ( ) =[Ret]= (C)
[Frown]
....

As I reinterate, why would they rehash whats old, aren't they trying to revamp the game? I belive we are about to get an infusion of the Vending Machine cards, instead of a rehashing of old cards [Wink] (and who knows, it may be a mixed set, we really don't know [Roll Eyes] )

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posted April 10, 2002 08:50 PM      Profile for Bo_Dragon   Email Bo_Dragon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by Skywolf1:
There has been much speculation about the upcoming next set for the Pokemon TCG. Like any of the previous expansions that have been released, I am excited about getting some "new blood" into the game.

But with all the speculation, is this set a wise business move on the part of WotC, or could this set be a mistake, working on the assumpion that the cards introduced are going to be mere reprints of older cards, that are not legal in the current "Mofified" format?

Here is my take on the "Champions" situation:

1. Expansion Size: Rumoured to be about 113 cards, and as Pokemon expansions go, this is a decent size. But, what matters is QUALITY here not QUANITY. WotC, I really don't think, are going to release cards, that are so overly powerful, SER, OAK, GOW, etc., that the game is going to be thrown into a even BIGGER state of imbalance than it already is. Because it was as a result of these "BROKEN" cards, that the "modified" format was put into place to begin with.

Draw Power - I think that most people here will agree that the current environment leaves the card pool very limited in respect to what can be put into a deck, as far as cards go. Do I think the card pool is limited? To an extent, yes I do. However, I am STILL able to build original decks that are quite effective against most competition. I would like to see some old school cards re-introduced sure. But what I DON'T want to see is the "Haymaker" and "Raindance" days re-visited. Come on folks, we have twice as many cards now, as we did then, I really don't think that "re-inventing the wheel" is necessary here.

Randomization - Now THIS area, is what needs some DRASTIC improvement, and I do mean QUICKLY! Pokemon is supposed to be a game more of SKILL than of CHANCE, and NOT the other way around. What would I like to see? Cards, with costs placed on them, and attacks that are not so reliant on the "flip of a coin" and such. This will accomplish wonders in my opinion, and bring back players who are on the verge of leaving the game because of this, or ones who have already left.

I agree drafting is WONDERFUL, I am a huge supporter of the draft, and always will be, but more still needs to be done, the playing field here needs to be leveled, this means, a balance between old-school cards getting reintroduced that will balance out the environment, and cards less reliant on the current randomization method, if this is what is introduced in the next set, this will definately be a BREAKTHOUGH for the Pokemon TCG, however, just "re-inventing the wheel" as some have speculated that this set will merely do, could prove to spell disaster for the game.

What are YOUR thoughts? Could "Champions be a BREATHROUGH or a BUST?"

Please remember to cite reasons for your position, and also remember that everyone on WizPOG has their own opinion, so I would like this to be a debate of sorts as to why, and NOT a flamefest.

I look forward to hearing your comments.

Take Care,

Skywolf1

After reading some posts, I guess I will be inclined not to buy into the Champions set. Another set like Base 2. It would be good for some people who are just getting into the Pokémon TCG for the need of deck building.

I guess I consider myself the only person who would like to have VS (I guess the Neo Gym) set in the US. Will there ever be some Neo Gym set in the US some day? I must end there.

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posted April 11, 2002 10:51 AM      Profile for Skywolf1   Email Skywolf1    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Well, all we have now is speculation what is going to be in the set, nothing more. So, time will tell. I am looking forward to have more holo cards available though.

Take Care,

Skywolf1

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posted April 11, 2002 02:19 PM      Profile for Alaka-Deka   Email Alaka-Deka    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Actually, it's been well quoted as the best of Base - rocket. A few new cards would be nice, of course.

~Deka

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posted April 11, 2002 08:48 PM      Profile for Golden Suikun      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Well, I do agree that we need less coin-flip cards with horrid drawbacks (tails-end turn = harsh) or anything with a bad drawback, but some drawbacks are needed to keep cards from becoming too broken, such as shuffling a card from your hand into your deck. We also need more cards that depend on status. For example, cards that let you do stuff depending on how many cards you have in your hand rather than a coin flip. Drawbacks I can live with, but some are just plain rediculous. For example, there is a card in Neo 4 that discard Energy, but depend on useless coin flips, have a drawback of ending your turn and it is a rare! Imagine getting one of these in a booster pack; this doesn't deserve to even be an uncommon. This card should be written like this if it deserves to be a rare:

Choose one of your opponent's Pokémon and flip as many coins until you get tails. For each heads, discard an Energy card from that Pokémon. If you flipped no heads, shuffle one Energy card from that Pokémon into your opponent's deck.

See. You have the bad coin flips, but you do get a positive effect if you flip no heads; shuffling one Energy from your opponent's Pokémon into their deck. Still annoys your opponent, only your opponent wouldn't have to use a Nightly Garbage Run or Energy Charge to get it back.

To get back on topic, Champions would be a great expansion, but I would see what is in it before I buy it. If it has decent cards, I'll buy a few cards, however, if it doesn't, the only place this set would be going is the unused commons and uncommons collecting dust in my binder and box...

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