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Topic: Delegate RH Prof. Elm on eBay...opinions?
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SD_PokeMom
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posted January 28, 2003 01:20 PM
Another fellow Professor just IMd me with this link to an auction for a Delegate promo RH Professor Elm.
Opinions?
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Professor_Sharkie
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posted January 28, 2003 01:24 PM
I think it is wrong but than again they did earn it by working for it....
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IndigoMaster
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posted January 28, 2003 01:32 PM
I don't think its such a bad thing, i know the seller, and they did earn it.
And besides, i think a few of them should make it to ebay, some people aren't able to get the elms...this is one way for those under 18...
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BJJ763
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posted January 28, 2003 01:35 PM
That's sooooo wrong! It should be TRADED away!!! ![[ROFL]](graemlins/roflmao.gif)
Now for a real answer. Well the seller is providing something to those people who aren't Delegates - a means to get a card they otherwise wouldn't be able to get, it's probably the only way that they can get it. Plus the seller is smart - eBaying it now when it is scarce.
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Raikou1234
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posted January 28, 2003 02:13 PM
Ya, but still, 30.00 for that? never, but how the heck am I supposed to get that??? At least we should be able to get it at the Super BattleZone or something.....
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Skywolf1
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posted January 28, 2003 02:15 PM
I have mixed feelings on this. While it should be a this person's right to do with the card as they please, if only a limited amount were ever made, then WHY sell it at all.
The whole point is to REWARD those folks that have gone the extra mile to help promote this game, by giving them something that CANNOT simply be bought.
I happen to KNOW OF this seller, and I commend her for all that she has done for the game. However, selling these cards, even though it is HER'S to do with as she pleases, just defeats the purpose of the Delagate program, because NOW someone who hasn't done a THING for promotion of the game, now gets this card for a PRICE, and in a figuartive sense, this GREATLY DE-VALUES this card's "exclusive appeal".
Just my two cents.
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posted January 28, 2003 02:43 PM
AS LONG as it was not stolen, leaked, taken from some League Kit or some STORE selling its own promos, I agree, CAPITALISM.
Really, what SOME people are WILLING to pay. ![[Dropjaw]](graemlins/dropjaw.gif)
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posted January 28, 2003 05:43 PM
You know,I was reading through the replies getting my own reply ready when I came across Marsh`s post.He said exactly what I was thinking to a tee,so `nuff said! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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posted January 28, 2003 05:47 PM
My thought if the person earned it, then let them do what they want with it. Even if it is selling it on ebay or burning it to the Great Gangar
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Pokidad
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posted January 28, 2003 08:20 PM
Mixed feelings as well but I would side that if you want to sell your property, no matter what others might think of you, you have the right to do it. $30 plus
Yes, I have a couple of these Elms and I'm sure most of the Professors who went out and got Stores to sign up and run BZ got a few of these "exclusive" cards. Several players ask me if I would trade them, Nope. Would I sell them, probably not. Would I give them away as a gift to a player who I respect or a collector who would probably cherish it as much as I, in a heart beat. But that's me as well as several other Professors I know.
I see nothing wrong with selling this card to the highest bidder, assuming the card was legally obtained. More power to them. If I was a collector, just think when the Japanese Trophy Kangkaskan fetched over $5000 a few years back (less than ten made in the World). Just think now, only 100 - 200 RF Elms made and distributed. Hmmm, what will they fetch in the future? Who knows. Rarity has its rewards, as long as it stays a rarity.
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The Mystery Thing
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posted January 28, 2003 10:55 PM
Agreed, so long as it was aquired legitly then i dont have a problem with it. I really don't like it when wotc chooses to produce promos that are simply not attainable to most people. Would I have been a delgate given the chance? Probably. Heck, I managed to convince the only store in Calgary running Battlezone to do it. Does that make me a 'delegate'? Well, since I'm 17, no. Who knows how many people are in the same boat as me.
I'm one of those people who would rather get all the promos than complete a 'normal' set. And until (if ever) the elm is released 'normally', the chances of me (or anybody else in my situation for that matter) getting one is slim to zilcho. This at least is a legit option for those of us that can't get them. (Even if it is brutally overpriced ![[Dubious]](graemlins/dubious.gif) )
Steering that all back on topic (^_^'), i have no problem with it. The less cards there are that are truely 'selective printing' the better, as far as i see it.
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nick15
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posted January 29, 2003 01:04 AM
Yes, God bless Capitalism! It's HIS card now, he's free to do what he wants with it. His reward is the card, yet is greatly magnified by the secondary market. The system works. ... This isn't the same as Gym Leaders selling their League Promos they recieved for free on eBay, mind you.
100% A-OK with me. I can't see how it wouldn't be.
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NoPoke
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posted January 29, 2003 01:32 AM
..and what of the other delegates who work equally hard?
...suppose this seller hadn't worked hard for the card?
its not that I'm against Capitalism, but I'm not happy with encouraging winner-takes-it-all and damn the hindmost.
not all values should be measurable in dollars
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posted January 29, 2003 02:48 AM
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ukpokemonpro
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posted January 29, 2003 05:45 AM
For me the real shame on this is that we in UK have yet to see BZ officially let alone any of the exclusive promo's.
Now ask yourself what I and the other UK Professors feel after all the hard work that we have and do put into keeping this game going.
How would you feel if you can't possibly earn the card but for $30 you can buy it?
Well I feel pretty undervalued and the worth of the card to me ... $30 ... well that appears to be the only way any of us outside the US will ever see it.. by buying it on eBay.
Happy debate on capitalism .. just remember the rest of out here don't even get to participate!
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Joshman
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posted January 29, 2003 06:02 AM
Hmmm, I hope I get mine in the mail soon if they are going for $30 a pop!
Really, who are we to say what someone can and can't do with something that belongs to them? I mean this is what some of us were working for, I say get your use out of it whether it be a status symbol to you or merely another source of income.
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ukpokemonpro
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posted January 29, 2003 07:40 AM
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Hmmm, I hope I get mine in the mail soon if they are going for $30 a pop!
Really, who are we to say what someone can and can't do with something that belongs to them? I mean this is what some of us were working for, I say get your use out of it whether it be a status symbol to you or merely another source of income.
Some of the rest of the world would like to earn them too but just like last year it appears we may not get the chance to earn promo's ..
just like last year we are left looking in on the great stuff you in the US get.
And once again we are moaning about it because really when you get right down to it for us I am beginning to suspect nothing has changed... USA a okay rest of the world well they don't matter and if they really want it they can buy it on eBay.
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DOMCGI
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posted January 29, 2003 08:12 AM
I saw this auction in EBay several days ago. My feeling is: Finally, someone sell the card!!!
I feel no problem of people selling the card. It is his stuff. Why should this only be kept by Delegate Professor?
I already recieve 3 RH Professor Elm. I already plan to visit 1 or 2 more stores before I saw the Ebay auction. I expect to recieve more RH Elm.
For the 3 cards I recieved, I keep 1 to complete my collection; give one to the store owner running BZ (he is a really good man and very support Pokemon); give the last one to another hard working Professor in the BZ (I plan to ask him to give me some Apuapolis trainers in return). If I get even more, I may use this as the prize in the local BZ tournament, even it may worth $30 US.
One last point, WotC already promise to "pay" this "Exclusive" card to the helper in some big event. I guess there is also a chance that some RH Elm will be in the SBZ kit.
I think the amount of RH Professor Elm will become more and more along the time. I am sure the price of this card will go down in the future. I believe the fair market price of this card is about $10 US. I just wonder how the auction winner feel after the price go down.
PS: I am little disappointed on recieving this card. I expect a completely new card!!!
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posted January 29, 2003 05:57 PM
Originally posted by ukpokemonpro:
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Some of the rest of the world would like to earn them too but just like last year it appears we may not get the chance to earn promo's ..
just like last year we are left looking in on the great stuff you in the US get.
And once again we are moaning about it because really when you get right down to it for us I am beginning to suspect nothing has changed... USA a okay rest of the world well they don't matter and if they really want it they can buy it on eBay.
Since your reply was off topic, I'll keep my off topic reply brief: Quit turning everything into "how come you guys get all the good stuff?". Do you understand how that comes off?
And back to the topic:
When we volunteer our time (a good 12 hour day at worlds for instance) WOTC gets cheap labor and we get our tournament. When they recruit free salesman, we get pieces of cardboard with pictures on them in return. And if you don't like the pay (or otherwise don't feel the need to give away your time) don't take WOTC up on their offer. If someone can turn that piece of cardboard into $30 to compensate them for their time, so be it. WOTC got a salesman for $.05, and the salesman in essence got paid $30. Sounds like win / win to me. If you can afford to give away yoru time and keep the card, consider yourself fortunate.
And if I had a card worth $5,000, guess what I would do? Lets see, I can have this piece of cardboard with a really cute picture on it, or.... I can have $5,000.00 Hmmmm. I take door number 2 Monty! Same holds true for a $30 card. $30 to one person is $5,000 to another.
And if you live overseas and can't get the card without paying big lbs. then you just won't have it. Oh well. For reasons I won't go into here, I was not able to do as much as I wanted for the delegate program. I won't get the card. I think I'll get over it ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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posted January 29, 2003 08:51 PM
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Since your reply was off topic, I'll keep my off topic reply brief: Quit turning everything into "how come you guys get all the good stuff?". Do you understand how that comes off?
I definately need to agree with CJMich, before I was sorta feeling sorry for you guys but honestly I've seen enough. Its been happening in nearly every thread now... =\
Now on topic,
The Elm selling is just the same as some of the people who won booster boxes at worlds and sold them. They didn't want them, nobody stopped them. I don't really see why some people are making a big deal out of this =\ Its not like say someone was selling their whole league kit on eBay..that's something to be concerned about.
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Michel
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posted January 30, 2003 04:22 AM
If he earned that card and doesn't want to keep it in his collection, why not selling it ?
That's not a problem for me.
BUT
People who sell promo cards coming directly from BZone kits given to the shops (not distributed to players), THAT's a problem for me.
There were (still are ?) the 3 large promo cards and Winner Electabuzz on sale on ebay some days ago (sold by someone in Belgium !) ![[Evil Smirk]](graemlins/Up_to.gif)
Selling your own cards ok, but selling league cards instead of giving them to the kids ? No way.
IMO, Wizards should do something about that.
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posted January 30, 2003 09:52 AM
I guess for me, I have no problem with the selling of this card OR "league kit" cards. The fact that someone is RUNNING a battlezone or league is good enough for me, and if they want to take a profit from it, fine by me. They're helping the community more than they are hurting it.
I'm assuming this topic is mainly about the "ethics" of selling a card you earned... which I'm not quite understanding the problem with. The fact that this person is selling it is their decision, not ours. Heck, I'm considering bidding on it =D
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posted January 30, 2003 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by RaNd0m:
I guess for me, I have no problem with the selling of this card OR "league kit" cards. The fact that someone is RUNNING a battlezone or league is good enough for me
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I have no problem with people selling whatever it is they have either bought or earned for profit. The issue of selling "League Kit" cards however is NO indication that an active League or Battlezone is being run, and rather suggests that some premier locations that WotC assumes are promoting the game are rather doing nothing more than selling the product. ![[NoNoNo]](graemlins/nonono.gif)
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posted January 30, 2003 10:27 AM
Obviously, the card for sale on eBay is mine, and I have no desire to hide that.
I feel that I worked to earn these cards, the point that they are currently "exclusive" to delegates only should not even come into play. The basic fact remains: I earned the card, I decided to sell a card that belonged to me, there is a market for this card and people are bidding on it; more than I even expected they would.
I honestly don't see the difference in trading, giving away, or selling one of these cards. If you trade it or give it away, someone other than a delegate will then own it; same as selling. It would still no longer be "exclusive to delegates."
I especially don't see how this could be a big deal, in light of all of the league leaders who sell off the materials instead of giving them to the kids that come to their league/battlezone. This card was earned by anyone who delegated, and under that pretense we should be able to do with these cards however we please.
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