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Topic: New modified going into effect June
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ScythKing
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posted March 20, 2003 06:34 PM
I'm sure they have a reason but I'd love to know what it is... just read this in the professor newsletter from MTM:
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Sixth, the DCI Pokemon Floor rules will be updated for the last time on
June 1,2003. Just wanted to give you a head's up. And yes, once again
Modified will be modified. Just in time for the Origins and Gen Con
events as well as the LC2 Super BattleZone events.
My guess is - bye bye Neo block. Dang! and before they could reissue Cleffa! Keep in mind this only gives 3 weeks before Origins to get new decks ready...
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posted March 20, 2003 06:44 PM
Just to tell ya, he said he'd post it before...Just that it wouldn't start until June 1st....
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posted March 20, 2003 10:47 PM
Too Late for us outside the US though and as for Cleffa have you tried using the promo one .. not too shabby and you keep your hand.
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posted March 21, 2003 05:36 AM
i think they will give us a surprise, and maybe will take away only half of the neo block
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brunhilde
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posted March 21, 2003 05:53 AM
We know that LC-II will have cards from the Neo block, so it would be quite natural to remove the Neo block as a whole from modified and then of course allow old copies of the cards that they reprint in LC-II.
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posted March 21, 2003 07:26 AM
I know I'm getting my cart before my horse, but since it seems pretty much confirmed there will be some OP, I'm wondering what the format will be at any upper level tournaments when WotC is no longer involved & what ruling changes there will be.
In my opinion, & it seems WotC's as well,one of the best ways to promote the new cards is to have a format with them included with a limited amount of previous cards.
Ruby & Sapphire, depending on how big the set is, might become the new base set.
If all cards are allowed in the "new atmosphere" there may be a restriction list like Japan has & there could be some ruling changes for us, like Slowking's power for instance.
Personally I hope a modified format of some type is used that doesn't allow the original base set cards. It does get weary seeing an SER, search, IF, Oak, etc...... before an attack is done. And that's whether I'm doing it or my opponent.
I could very easily see E-cards on from WotC & the new Ruby & Sapphire as a modified format block. as had been said before it can be called Eon or EXpedition On, thus making it unofficially Rocket On, Neon & the Eon or Exon.
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted March 21, 2003 08:14 AM
Boy you are called away from work for two days and a lot happens. SO we will have a new modified for three months that Wizards has the game still. Im sure that this was worked with the TPC, and we might see this new modified with the contiuation of the game. BUT hay we get a BZS for LC2. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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ScythKing
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posted March 21, 2003 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by brunhilde:
We know that LC-II will have cards from the Neo block, so it would be quite natural to remove the Neo block as a whole from modified and then of course allow old copies of the cards that they reprint in LC-II.
We didn't know this until after chat last night, and besides it doesn't necessarily follow that the entire block would be removed - but I do suspect that is the likeliest scenario.
Also, WotC has not been the best for timing on releasing this stuff - you'd think it's a state secret. Anyway I am taking the promise to release info a couple weeks ahead of June 1 with a slab of salt.
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CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak
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posted March 22, 2003 05:24 PM
Will be interesting to see what Nintendo does with formatting in OP.
Their options:
1. "4-star list" like Japan -- only so many "power cards" can be in a deck. Confusing to newer players, and especially younger players. Probably won't happen.
2. A restriction list a la Yu-Gi-Oh: One Oak per deck, two Search per deck, one SER per deck, the like. Cards limited to under four based on their power. Seems to work well there, can work here IMO.
3. Modified is continued by Nintendo: I doubt this -- too many issues with Nintendo using the exact format of its predecessor. Legalities will most likely prvent this.
4. No new cards are limited, but WotC cards can't be used: Doubtful, would heavily hurt the game...doubt it.
5. No cards are limited, and all WotC cards can be used: Unlimited returning? Hey, it could happen. The last major Unlim. tourney was at the Prof. challenge, and if I recall, the winning deck was NOT King/Sneasel, but rather its counter, which had many, many weaknesses (Tyrogue being Chansey's direct weakness). If Unlimited were given another test run as of now, for a couple of months, I doubt you'd see all King and Sneasel, or all Chansey, or all Wiggly, or all Arithmetic. There would be a less stale environment than everyone seems to remember when thinking back upon the format poorly.
6. Bi- or Tri-format tourneys? The last major tourney Wizards had was a mixture of Modified and Draft. Would it be possible to see Unlimited and Draft, or Modified and Draft, or heck, all THREE in a tournament? Rotating sets for Modified is important, but so is rotating formats. If there was an equal division of Unlim/MF/Draft/Team Multiplay, no one could say their format is getting shafted.
Well, who knows how it's going to be...Nintendo's been dealing with TCGs for the longest time, I doubt they'll do anything painstakingly dumb with the Pokemon TCG license. (Unless TPC exercises some of those moves they've tried to enforce in the past...)
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posted March 22, 2003 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak:
2. A restriction list a la Yu-Gi-Oh: One Oak per deck, two Search per deck, one SER per deck, the like. Cards limited to under four based on their power. Seems to work well there, can work here IMO.
![[teach]](graemlins/teach.gif) This does not work in Yu-Gi-Oh. Want proof? Okay, Yu-Gi-Oh starts, I am able to get all power crds and becomes a force. New sets come out, I am no longer a force, but am good. New set again, including 3 new deck staples. I can't afford these cards, and poof! I go from champ to chump. I can beat those who, like me, lack said staples, but peopel with half my skill and all said cards kick my butt. Sour grapes, right? I just fell behind and couldn't hack it? Well, this week, after a 2 month hiatus from Yu-Gi-Oh, I played in two tournaments. I finally got those power cards, and the newest set was still new enough that no one else had all of its power cards. I took first in one torunament, and second in another, both having over 20 people. That is what the restcitions do.
Second, Pokemon has more draw power than Yu-Gi-Oh. So it will once again become who goes first, since unlike Yu-Gi-Oh, you are not at the mercy of your opening draw, but of your Trainer Engine. So whoever went first would play a draw card or three, and have everything they needed.
Third, this is almost as confusing for young (and old) players as the "star" system is the "randomly restricted card" list. ONce you understand Pokemon, Modified becomes understandable: the most recent sets, plus the most recent promos, plus any older cards that have been reprinted in the available card pool.
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posted March 22, 2003 08:42 PM
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This does not work in Yu-Gi-Oh. Want proof? Okay, Yu-Gi-Oh starts, I am able to get all power crds and becomes a force.
I agree. As stated on Edo'S website, the restricted list is based on what cards are abused after monitoring tournements. All cards in yugioh have the potential to be broken. It is more of possessing good cards than possessing good skill. In pokemon, the weakest card has a chance against one of the strongest. Isn't that way in yugioh. A restricted list, in my opinion, shows how poorly the cards are considered by their overpowering.
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posted March 23, 2003 11:58 AM
That is why I got out of Yu-Gi-Oh for the most part, the restriction list. I would buy cards for my decks like the swords of light, WHich you could have two in your deck. A couple of sets later they made it so you can only have one, along with some other cards. I made me mad to spend money on the cards and game, then I was not able to use those cards a couple of months down the road. I really hope Nintendo doesnt do this, it will just make the game less fun to playing, and would make it so I would want to buy less of there product. I love the way WOTC has done it so far, with the exception of banning Slowking ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted March 23, 2003 10:28 PM
I predict that only Neo Genesis and Discovery will be dropped because of the "over use" of the following cards in almost every deck:
1. Cleffa
2. Tyrogue
3. Double Gust
4. Focus Band and/or Gold Berry
Take these cards out of modified and watch everyone scramble.
Regarding banning/restricting individual cards, I personally like it. But, like GLB and others have said, I think bannings/restrictions can cause frustrations. So, I think they should only occur at least a year after they're released (unless they are too broken like sneasel and slowking are).
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posted March 23, 2003 11:49 PM
entei/magcargo too perhaps
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posted March 24, 2003 01:17 AM
I don't want the likes of Lass and Super Energy Removal to be just restricted, I don't want to see them at all. They shouldn't be allowed in any case in any deck.
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posted March 24, 2003 01:40 AM
So you are denying me the use of my Dark Electabuzz deck, which worked by the grace of SER to get rid of it's Darkness Energy?
Ok, j/k, Mod will be different once again, we'll have to get used to it, people getting the heck beaten out of them by Scizor, countering with Arcanine, we'll manage, just as we did when it first started.
I don't know if the Restricted/Banned list is something to look forward to, Magic has one which is about one page long for Classic.
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posted March 25, 2003 02:38 PM
The cards I do not want to see reprinted are:
-Double Gust: Decks are too free now, I mean status affects are nothing, or any kind of lock down because of them.
-Pichu: Many people are scared of playing powers because of this baby. It cuts down on creativity.
-Feraligatr: I wonder why. It.ruled.modified.
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posted March 25, 2003 05:02 PM
Well, I'll list the cards I wouldn't want to see again in the new MF: Pichu, NG Cleffa, Tyrogue, Focus Band, Gold Berry, Double gust, NR holo Entei, NR Magcargo, NR Kingdra, NG wild growth Meganium, NG riptide Feral, NG fire recharge Typlo', NG Magby, ND Dark Gengar (IMO). So I would agree if WotC makes the tournaments Exp-on with LC, but I think that they may let some cards from banned expansions, like: the NG Ariados, ND Dunsparce, and most of all, Venomoth!
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posted March 25, 2003 07:42 PM
Does anyone know if the Nintendo R/S cards coming out in June will be allowed in modified or any other Wotc tournaments remaining? (Origins, GenCon)
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posted March 26, 2003 04:24 AM
Since WotC did not make the cards, and since they've always stated that only cards produced by WotC are allowed, i would not expect Nintendo cards to be legal in sanctioned play.
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posted March 26, 2003 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by BJJ763:
Since WotC did not make the cards, and since they've always stated that only cards produced by WotC are allowed, i would not expect Nintendo cards to be legal in sanctioned play.
This is in fact what WotC has said - Nintendo cards will not be allowed in WotC sanctioned play. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted March 26, 2003 11:01 PM
don't know if anyone has asked this because i haven't been on board for a while. When LC2 comes out, will LC1 be legal in new mod?
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posted March 26, 2003 11:05 PM
I am told that LC and LC2 are not treated as set blocks and would therefore stay in Modified even when other set blocks rotate out.
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