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LizardOTC
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posted June 19, 2002 12:41 PM
Poison in the well, malignant and foul.
It's been there all along... seeping and festering. It was first thought to be relatively benign... just some teens having their fun. But, now the diagnosis comes at last: terminal cancer.
I did not want to believe it at first. I thought, "they'll grow up and out of it" and "the rest of the player base is enough to dilute the poison out".
I was wrong.
Anyone who has been to some of the "alternative sites" knows of what I speak here.
It is UGLY. It is disfiguring. It threatens to kill the whole body of players if left untreated. It turns people away; cancer is scary to many.
At first, the doctors said: give it time; maybe it won't grow.
It has grown. It is starting to interfere with vital life functions, and treatment must begin soon. It gows and it slowly spreads. The tumor does not care of it chokes off the blood supply to the rest of the body, so long as it's needs are met.
This game needs a leetectomy, and it needs it now, before it is too late.
Yes, the treatment is painful, and it will leave a scar, but it is necessary. Think of the children.
Cancer has been hard on this family. I have talked to other professors who are ready to leave the game over it.
I must step back. I will wait to see what the doctors do. If they decide against treatment, I fear the long slow death that will follow as the body withers.
People have often told me that the family mourning process begins long before the cancer patient dies. I know what they mean...
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Pkmnrulz241. I already told you...
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posted June 19, 2002 12:54 PM
![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Frown]](frown.gif) I'm soooooooooooo sorry Lizard!!! That's horrible!!! I hope your ok...
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posted June 19, 2002 01:04 PM
Ouch hard words Cancer is a nasty thing I've had serval family members die from it, and trust me on this, not once was it pretty. I don't agree with you anology in fact I'm kind of angered by it Pokemon is a game and thats it. I'm 26 years old and have been playing since Jungle came out I've been through the ups and we are experiencing a down but to all of us players it's still fun now I wish I was a professor but I can't seem to pass the test but I go to league at least once a week and try to set a good example to the "kids" who play ie deck construction teaching them how to tech ect. and yes we do have a few rowdy leetist but nothing pleases me more than seeing a "noob" I've coached out tech the leetist's deck.we can solve the problems just do it one "kid" at a time as for cancer we all know there isn't really a cure for it and thats just not the case here.
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posted June 19, 2002 01:08 PM
Explain to me exactly how these "alternative sites" are "threatening the game's life"? I really don't understand what you're trying to say. On these "alternative sites", we don't even see posts like Seena's life story. Or anything close to it. I do know that the fact I deleted spago's post for him made you angry enough to leave, but how is that "teens just having some fun"? If you don't like the way I run things on my "alternative site", then you're more than welcome to leave. I have no problem with that.
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posted June 19, 2002 01:09 PM
I had to read this twice to understand all the metaphors. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
But you're message is exactly right. A majority of us know what was going on at these "alternative websites" and i agree things went foul. What makes me the most angry, is the wrap that the rest of the Pokemon playing world gets for a few individuals' actions. It looks and really is immature. ![[NoNoNo]](graemlins/nonono.gif)
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IndigoMaster
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posted June 19, 2002 01:46 PM
Lizard your very right, make that extremly right, yet IMO very wrong
We have been infected with this cancer for all 4 years of this bodys life, this bodys life has had alot of ups and downs, but it has persevired. The cancer has been a plague, but it hasn't yet to suceed in killing this body, and it won't. This bodys has too many people supporting it, this body will keep fighting.
Ok away from the analogies...
Sure the game has problems...but its nothing new, its nothing we haven't been seeing for as long as the game began. I'm sure all the conversing about "leet-ist" behavior, and the actions of some "alternate sites" has brought this games problems more into view.
These problems are only online, for the most part. Some places may have problems, but this is an internet only problem. Go to any event and these so called "leet-ists" are normally really decent people who act with better judgement then they do online. This profiled opinion of there behavior online doesn't carry over. And this group is extremly small in comparision to the number of players. They say a bad apple ruins the bunch, but this isn't the case this time. These "bad apples"(with the exception of one or two who are unrulely) don't affect anyone but themselves and those in there small "alternate communities."
Lizard, I know what incidents your thinking about right now, and while I haven't done anything that has helped the matters, I am sorry. But i disagree in that anything should, or will be done about the matters. But the game will not end in a "slow death that will follow as the game withers." The game will do like it always has and continue to grow, and become stronger...it has its weaknesses but its not feeble...and IMO it won't be anytime soon.
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yoshi1001
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posted June 19, 2002 02:13 PM
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We have been infected with this cancer for all 4 years of this bodys life, this bodys life has had alot of ups and downs, but it has
persevired. The cancer has been a plague, but it hasn't yet to suceed in killing this body, and it won't. This bodys has too many people
supporting it, this body will keep fighting.
You're right. It won't. It will have to be destroyed, though. You see, the leetists don't leave the game at nearly the same rate as the body of players they are repulsing, thus a chain reactin forms in which the playing body deteriorates until only the disease remains. This type of behavior is not to be tolerated.
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These problems are only online, for the most part. Some places may have problems, but this is an internet only problem.
No it isn't. The issue first came up due to problems at a league. Believe me, this problem exists very much in the real world.
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posted June 19, 2002 02:20 PM
I have been gone for a long while and maybe it has gotten a lot worse since i left but i havent seen it that much. I ahve seen a few people that thought they r really good. After i bet them when they where useing their "best deck" they got less "leet" like and after each addition beating the "cancer reduced". So maybe that and a few talks with them after the battles should be the "treatment" the game needs. It will never go away but it should help. After all if they arent the best they wont feel they can be so "leet".
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IndigoMaster
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posted June 19, 2002 05:52 PM
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You're right. It won't. It will have to be destroyed, though. You see, the leetists don't leave the game at nearly the same rate as the body of players they are repulsing, thus a chain reactin forms in which the playing body deteriorates until only the disease remains. This type of behavior is not to be tolerated.
Dude, the only players that leave are the ones that are offended by these few players on those few sites and on aim. They have the option to leave those sites and block them on aim. Yes i know there is ONE incident with a player offending another player here and at other places...and i'm sorry but i did mention ONE or TWO unrulely players.
And its not the "leet-ists." "Leet-ist is discribed as a "trashtalking player" on the leet-ist topic (which those of us who are under 15 can't post on but that is the mods decision and i won't contest it here) And there aren't very many of these, a few in SOME leagues...and i'm sorry but if you look at any "big event" (i should have been clearer earlier) like a GC, or an SC this year. Has there been any "leet-ist" or major issues? and other than major things...if you've been to a few...you haven't seen much of that behavior have you?
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No it isn't. The issue first came up due to problems at a league. Believe me, this problem exists very much in the real world.
I addressed this at the end of my last paragraph.
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I have been gone for a long while and maybe it has gotten a lot worse since i left but i havent seen it that much. I ahve seen a few people that thought they r really good. After i bet them when they where useing their "best deck" they got less "leet" like and after each addition beating the "cancer reduced". So maybe that and a few talks with them after the battles should be the "treatment" the game needs. It will never go away but it should help. After all if they arent the best they wont feel they can be so "leet".
How could tring to beat down the self esteem of the "leet-ists" help? And whos to say you or anyone else should judge who should have there self esteem beat out of them? and whos to say you could?
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IPGeek21
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posted June 19, 2002 06:18 PM
I have mixed feelings about this:
Boxing? Baseball? Basketball, Soccer (YOU ARE watching the world CUP? WHAT? you like sleep?)
Rap Artist, Actors, Actresses, musicians...
WHAT modern day profession THAT LIVES in the lime light is immune?
That drive, that focus to succeed... THAT TYPE of behavior is either sympomatic OR a product of...
BUT IT IS REWARDED in general by our culture.
My 1st foray into TOing tourneys (ASK Bomie & Chrisbo) WERE tough... I HAD the 7331 of our AREA at our tourneys... and they were loudmouth testosterone jerks (nice guys BUT when they BATTLED won at all cost, even trying to force you to make mental mistakes)... WHEN I finally took over these tourneys this changed... IT was just not allowed at my tourneys. -at my league I am something of an ENFORCER of courtesy-
The experience at least MADE my bro a poker faced pokemon player (and he knows gracious opponents & idiot opponents)
TEENS will be TEENS. I can shrug some of it off, IT's all part of 'ha ha I 0\/\//\/5 U mentality. Cool, no problem...
BUT the impersonations T33d me off, THAT was despicable.
I wonder if they realized that THIS IS SUCH A TIGHT knit community HOW did expect us to behave when we see each other in person? Are we suppose to SHRUG this off as if NOTHING came of it? A BIG adolescent joke?
I was scared when MONDIELLO threatened to appear at the WCSTS... cause HE WAS NOT going to be welcomed... and that was asking for trouble...
BUT somehow in this TIGHT knit community SOME decided to HANG out to dry and advertise their dirty laundry... wha? We were NEVER going to know about it? AND we were not going to be able to DO ANYTHING about it (I don't get this, WE can ban, notify, QUOTE and send these to ISP's, hosts, etc... OMG how ignorant of the POWER of the quote & email)
IS anyone allowed to rant & rave? Yes
Can we FLAME to our hearts content? Yes (in private)
Can some HATE other members in this community? yes in private
BUT TO HIDE behind the 1st amendment and accusations of archaic & hypothetical forms of governments that NEVER function as such manner in real life? No.
I am of this philosophy: There is a place & time for (almost) everything. THEY just better learn WHERE and WHEN that time is so NO ONE gets hurt.
Again... this cancer is EVERYWHERE & we may stop it here... what about everywhere else?
This is just a game? There are winners, whiners, & LOSERS. If it were ONLY a game... we're now left with the hard-core players (LOTC... ironic isn't it, N3\/\/B5 don't seem the be the problem?)
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Lugia909
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posted June 19, 2002 07:22 PM
Having had a ringside seat of sorts for events which have unfolded over the past 4-5 days, I have to say that I am in total agreement with Lizard here. There IS a cancer, of Nixonian proportions, that is hanging over this game's future.
In following the wishes of TPC as concerns player discipline, WotC has mollycoddled...unwisely...certain segments of the player population of the Pokemon TCG to the point that decorum and even outright sensibility has gone down the toilet. It is very much like a cancer, in that this behavior is spreading and growing in severity. If left unchecked, the effects that this will cause are extremely detrimental, in a number of potential ways.
At this point, I advocate that the days of 'REL 0.5' should end. This is NOT Japan. The morals that overlay the culture that TPC is operating under in Japan do NOT exist here. By following measures which have been too lax, we now have situations arising which seriously task the community as well as the capabilities of those in a position of actual enforcement of this game and its environment. If allowed to continue as-is, I predict that the current set of circumstances will destroy OP and the game in general inside of 18 months. And I think I'm perhaps being a tad optimistic in that estimate.
Therefore, the current set of circumstances must be changed. Perhaps radically, as well. And this may require a few 'heads on sticks'...but if so, if it takes a few ugly 'examples' coming down from enforcement to make everyone realize that the level of tolerance has changed, then so be it. Kindergarten is over.
"REL 0.5" must be eliminated. Standards of sportsmanship should be extended to ALL circumstances where players represent the Pokemon TCG community. The '1337 mentality' should be stamped out, with as much vigor and vitriol as is necessary to make the point _absolutely clear_ that such behavior is intolerable. And for those who claim that this would reduce the game to some Disney-mentality pap...you can go find some other product and community to terrorize, I say. And if boundaries are overstepped, then sanctions should be handed out freely...and with all due severity. Accent on 'severity'.
Fun's fun. And fun's over. Deal with what's coming next...because my bets are on some impending changes, and some of you may not like 'em all too much. If not, you know where you can go...
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posted June 19, 2002 08:13 PM
I'm not sure what can be done.
My Pokemon players started imitating the Magic guys that shared the table space in the store - if it was just the Pokemon players, you could ban the most offensive or notify their parents. But when the role models for this behavior is the group that buys 2 or 3 boxes of each expansion, and plays in Sealed Deck, 2 to 3 Drafts, along with FNM and various Type I and Type II tourneys -- store owners suddenly get reserved in their admonishing of the offending parties.
Part of our problem was solved when the focal store closed due to the worsing economy last year. But it didn't take long for the same crowd to start acting up in a new store -- and while playing a new game.
Now I'm growing a playgroup in a new store (75 miles away from my prior locale) - and their are hints that a few are about to get mouthy again (and it usually springs from the mouth of the ultra-competitive, highest ranked player complaining to someone who is playing more for fun and less for ranking. The conversation usually goes something like "Why do you even bother to play? You are a waste of my time - when I beat you, my rating / ranking doesn't even move". This is not an isolated comment - I've now heard it at 3 different stores by 3 different players, targeting 3 different players.
It seems to be societal -- the WWE and similar entertainment has caused kids to vocalize what was once merely said to ones self (in the privacy of their head).
As a voluntary Tourney Director - I can't keep these kids in line the way I'd like -- maybe I'll get to run my mouth and espouse my morality to the local gamers when I have my own store.
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IndigoMaster
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posted June 19, 2002 09:44 PM
Lugia909, you talk about the situation of this game as if its mature adults making the wrong choices and saying these type of things. Its not, we (i say we cause i'm a 'kid', i go to the ruins, and heck i've been banned from this site for such behavior) are kids...almost all of the offending parties are 16- you expect us to be like TPC sees their players...we are obviously not. You can't expect 'kids' who like gorden said are now free to voice what was once only in their heads.
And come on you give this game 18 months max? pfft this game hasn't had a change of its attitude ever. and yet its still around...like i said in previous posts the game has survived and it will continue to. Nothing NEEDS to be changes...maybe something will...but it won't make any BIG difference from what exists now.
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posted June 20, 2002 10:03 AM
What we have to remember is that this game was meant to be fun and the Leagues are meant to provide a fun and safe environment for everyone (small kids to adults).
At the league I attend to, we do not allow this leet behaivor that has been slowly killing off other Leagues. Also, as the Local Professor at this League, I always try to help and provide fun, challenging play to everyone. Everyone that plays against me always leave happy (wiether they win or loss).
We do not have this broblem at our League. Only recently has one leetest been coming to our league. However, no one realy like to play with him and he has changed his attitude considerable due to this isolation and he is now acting like more of a rolemodel. He now tries to help other players (eventhough he still need more work at it to totaly remove his leetest attitude, which will most likly never happen).
I say that if banning leetest helps promote a fun and safe environment at Leagues and other places than I'm all for. As soon as I get the new League location started for the summer I will enforce these rules and regulations and promote a fun and safe environment for other players by enforcing a sporty conduct rule.
While it may hurt at first to remove the leetest; in the long run, they just may change there ways and could possibly be reinstated into the Pokémon community and Leagues may actually grow by having new players join and not have to worriy that some leetest is going to crush thier spirit and that they will have fun with others if they play Pokémon.
PS: Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh but I do think that this is a major problem and it must be taken care of immidiatly to pprevent more leagues from shuting down and help the community grow.
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posted June 20, 2002 12:46 PM
Great Fox, you can't ban somone from a league just because they act differently than the other people. "Leetists" aren't even a bad thing. Getting rid of them and keeping a league with 10- players and 30+ players isn't a GOOD thing. I'd much rather lose to a "leetist" with a Slowking deck (After getting mocked several times because he's a leetist) than beat an 8 year old playing his turbo evolution deck. I dunno, maybe its just the leetist in me trying to get out *rolls eyes*
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posted June 20, 2002 01:50 PM
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Great Fox, you can't ban somone from a league just because they act differently than the other people.
Excuse me, but I certainly can, if that person does not follow the code of conduct we use at our league (developed in conjuction with the store's owner). It's each player's choice: follow the rules, conduct-wise...or find somewhere else to play.
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posted June 20, 2002 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by SD_PokeMom:
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Originally posted by BigChuck01:
Great Fox, you can't ban somone from a league just because they act differently than the other people.
Excuse me, but I certainly can, if that person does not follow the code of conduct we use at our league (developed in conjuction with the store's owner). It's each player's choice: follow the rules, conduct-wise...or find somewhere else to play.
Exactly `Mom.At my League,the manager and I will not tolerate any misbehavior of any type,whether it`s trash talking or what have you.If someone doesn`t abide by the rules then they get booted out,not only from League,but from the whole store.
Lugia909, you talk about the situation of this game as if its mature adults making the wrong choices and saying these type of things. Its not, we (i say we cause i'm a 'kid', i go to the ruins, and heck i've been banned from this site for such behavior) are kids...
Exactly...you are kids.And as you and all the other kids in the world have found out,there are rules to abide by.No matter if any given kid likes it or not,they will always be supervised by either the parent/guardian,or if they are somewhere away from the parents(the net or otherwise),then other adults will be in charge.Just because you now have the internet and your parents aren`t watching(or don`t care),that is no excuse to misbehave or do/say things that are in bad taste and/or downright wrong."Just kidding" does not justify that kind of behavior.Period.
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posted June 20, 2002 03:00 PM
IMHO, it is the people like GreatFox and Pokemom that are ruining the game, not the people they are banning.
No offense, but stating that you would kick someone out of league, then accusing them of ruining the game, is just absurd.
This is something that makes York great. The GL is very laidback, and mainly lets kids do what they want. This is what makes the game FUN. Yes, playing the game is something, but playing the game while being able to say what you want to say (except around the little kids or parents), do what you want to do (as long as it's not hurting anyone), and to have more of a sense of a gettogether. IMO, York is fun because we're all friends, who just get together to have a good time. It's not like you're even forced to play the game, or like there's any chance of getting into serious trouble.
If I was at the SD league, I probably would've quit the game a long time ago. and that's the truth =/
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posted June 20, 2002 03:05 PM
IMHO, it is the people like GreatFox and Pokemom that are ruining the game, not the people they are banning. -Dark Psyduck
I totally agree 100%. But that is a DCI coodinator your talking about, you can expect a DCI ban and a lawsuit for that one.
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posted June 20, 2002 03:34 PM
DP & Martin,
HERE IS MY WARNING: You both named names. I HAD an idea BUT no REAL clue as to WHO wad who in the masquerade alluded to in other posts. Thank you for your help, I was happy in my ignorant littlew world...
GREATFOX did not name anybody, did not insult anyone BUT YOU TWO have.
BJJ had to clean up after you yesterday and he chose to lock a post by DMTM that was posted to hmm, make us ponder upon his thoughts (he is NOT mad unlike others, he is being cool about the situation)
Have your fun but the YOUR integrity is in question.
PS THE WORST run league I ever went to WAS A LAX pokemon environment where THEY did what they wanted and said what they wanted. Wanna know how I tolerated it? I BEAT them with my deck and I told them to STOP with the profanity & pushing CAUSE I am playing a game and IT IS unacceptable behavior... and those around me did...
LIFE is about DOING WHATEVER you want to do? Lucky you, cause last time I checked it ain't...
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posted June 20, 2002 03:39 PM
Martin, you're a friend and all, but for that you get a resounding "=/".
DP, PokeMon and GreatFox are both trying to HELP the game...in fact, your whole outlook sickens me. Where the people who did the impersonations or whatever should be feeling the recourse, you sit there and point fingers at those who are trying to make the game into something other than an immature free-for-all?
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Dark Psyduck
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posted June 20, 2002 03:46 PM
roflmao
Kids hate school. Well, in a majority. Thats because of the strict rules, and punishment.
For fun, kids go do stuff by themselves. No rules, no punishment.
If league/tourney/Pokemon is supposed to be FUN, would kids rather have strict rules and punishments? Obviously not.
Now excuse me, I am going to have an imported bottle of water. But, don't tell anyone because I might be banned from DCI for treason.
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posted June 20, 2002 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Psyduck:
Look at Magic. THE most successul, and best TCG there is. You do not see adults who have nothing better to do than intimidate children, and who try to make the game better for all.
I also don't see kids running around making stupid jokes in an effort to look "cool."
And do you know why there are no people like SD PokeMom, GreatFox, etc in Magic? Because the Magic players all know better. It's obvious that some of the Pokémon players - the older ones, even! - don't.
People always whine about how the game gets no respect...and then wonder why when stuff like this happens.
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Articjedi
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posted June 20, 2002 03:58 PM
Satoshi is right, we can't turn the leagues into an immature free for all. The fact is, there are limits to everyone's behavior. It doesn't matter how good you are. You must act like a human being. And just because a place is supposed to be fun DOES NOT mean that you can act like a jerk.
Strict rules are there for a reason. So I don't agree with some of the rules at school. They are there to keep chaos away. That is the nature of a rule, they don't restrict our freedoms, they only restrict those who wish to abuse them.
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posted June 20, 2002 04:52 PM
I am getting so aggravated with the whole give them a break since they are 17 and under. Do you expect a white light to shine down upon them on their 18th birthday and enlighten them?
If these kids are old enough to surf the net, to have their own web sites, to post remarks to web sites then they are 100% old enough to be responsible for their actions. They talk about their freedom of speech. I have news - freedom come with responsibility. Unfortunately there seems to be an ever rising breed of people who want their freedoms but no responsibility.
I agree with Pokemom, GreatFox and Pokesensei, if the behavior is not appropriate, have them leave. When they decide to behave then they can come back and ask if they may attend league. Dark Psyduck, if you think about it I am sure that you will come to the realization that you are not allowed to run amok at York. We are in the laid back position at our league also, but this doesn't mean that there are no rules, nor standards of conduct. DGL and I would not hesitate showing someone the door if they need it.
No person is forced to play Pokémon (you are right about that), it's a choice and with all games there are rules. There is also the code of conduct. As with all games and sports there are penalties for rule breaking and unsportsman-like conduct. If at Pokemom's , GreatFox's and Pokesensei's Leagues the penalty is walking papers, then so be it.
In your parents house, in school, at work, in the store, everywhere, there are rules and a code of conduct. If you fail to obey them there are consequences. Why is it so hard to understand that there are rules and a code of conduct that must be followed at Pokémon leagues, tournaments and, yes, even on the boards?
If you look at everything that has happened in the short life of this game, you will notice it's slow down falls due to the reckless behavior of a few. We had the horrible physical fight in Texas that led to the termination of the 15 and over age groups at major tournaments. There was the fiasco with a certain person who was altering tournament results. This put another gouge in the game. Now we have this slander issue. How many hits can this game take? Well if we let Pokémon run amok like so many of you "kids" would like, this game wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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