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Topic: Not getting credit...
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Pokesensei
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posted November 23, 2002 06:54 PM
This from the latest e-mail on the Delegate Program through the Professor list:
Second, some of you have already talked some locations into running BattleZone
and that is great! We have 192 locations starting BattleZone in 2 weeks
and another 500 joining in January! However, the Delegate program hasn't
officially started yet and so any store that you may have talked to will
not count towards this program. I will be having you submit reports on the
stores you visit and that is the only way that I will be able to keep track
of how many locations you've been too. That is also the way that I can keep
track of any stores that you have visited that decided to go for BattleZone
as well. My apologies but that is the way it is.
I`m sorry Mike,but I disagree with this point.After talking with several other of my Professor colleagues,we have come to the conclusion that we should be credited for this.There are many reasons why we feel we are being gypped from this including:
•We have put alot of hard work and time investment in maintaing a relationship with our current store.To ask us to go out yet again is simply unreasonable for many of us(see below).
•In our excitement for the new BZ,we got our stores to pre-order it before you had told us we wouldn`t get credit for it.Had we known,we simply would have waited.Now,we are being "punished" for our excitement and eagerness to continue the game in our area.
•Alot of us simply don`t have the time to run more than one BZ.With family,work,etc..it will prolly be too much to have to run two different BZ`s at two different locations.I will honestly see if I can manage it,but I highly doubt my and many others schedules will allow it.
•If I hadn`t asked my store to order it,they never would have known about it.When I talked to the owner,he hadn`t a clue as to what I was talking about so I had to explain the new era of League to him.
Now,the way I see MTM saying he wouldn`t be able to keep track of who did it is easily fixed.We submit our signed forms to get the credit.If there is more than one person claiming a credit for a store already signed up,just call the store(they have the phone #`s) and verify who is the one that is the one that signed the store up and is running it.I know MTM is very busy,but a phone call will only take a few minutes.Either that or give someone the benefit of the doubt...
Mike,give credit where credit is due.We have worked hard for Pokemon in our areas and it wouldn`t be around right now if it wasn`t for many of us.
`Sensei
Edit:Fixed grammar.
[ November 23, 2002, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: Pokesensei ]
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posted November 23, 2002 08:52 PM
While I'm not in the situation about a store already signing up, although where I play is 1 of the stores listed, here is what I thought about a solution.
If a store has already signed up for BZ AND it was done by the insistence of a qualified Professor/Delegate, then that store could easily send in a form stating that "Delegate so & so' should get the credit, and that the aforementioned person was the first one to contact us about it.
I can also see the other side as they want us to contact stores that haven't shown interest yet in this. Keep in mind WotC is a business & the more stores that are approached & sign up will only help us all, or should anyway.
One thing I don't think I've seen or talked about is not every store that is approached will sign up for BZ.
Now, if I understand right, the delegate doesn't have to be the person running the program do they?
All the delegate needs to do is approach the store & if they accept then someone at that store can run it can't they? Of course that store might not have a person capable of running the program and/or know the rules either. I know the store I'm presenting it to doesn't have Pokemon, (interest died out), but may pick it up again. It seems that there was no one available before that knew enough about the rules of Pokemon, (they knew the DCI stuff though), so they didn't have tournaments. Well, I can certainly take care of that for them!
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posted November 23, 2002 10:54 PM
I couldn't agree more Pokesensei!
I can only support one BZ location at this time. Like MANY other professors out there, I too encouraged my retailer to order the BZ kits early. Now, if I want to get credit, I'll have to go find another store and encourage them to run BZ, eventhough I can't personally run it. (Fat chance that the retailer will accept THAT sales pitch.)
Anyway, I'm so excited about BZ finally coming out that I'm not too upset. I get LOTS more satisfaction from seeing the excitement on kids faces as they participate in League play than a promo card can ever give me.
Nevertheless, I support you Pokesensei and would easily sign a petition, spam some email, or participate in a phone/fax flood.
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posted November 24, 2002 07:04 AM
I definitely agree with a form a store could fill out saying that "player X was the first to contact us" -- I am not in the same boat as you guys as I didn't talk to the store before I submitted the Delegate form -- but still think you guys are right.
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posted November 24, 2002 07:27 AM
I haven't yet spoken to any of the stores I plan to promote BattleZone to. The main point of the delegate program is to get other stores to sign up for it, not necessarily just one store where you plan to run it yourself. I personally plan to promote BattleZone to ANY retail store who sells Pokemon cards and that does not already have BZ going. If a store chooses to take on BZ they will probably be aware they will need to find someone qualified to run it for them, and if this store is a card shop; the owner or an employee may very well be the one to operate it. Just my two cents.
If a delegate went to a store and got them signed up before the program began, I don't see the problem with them getting written confirmation from the store, the contact information of a manager (so it could be called and verified, if need be) and credit given where credit is due. But, on the other hand, I can also understand how this could become difficult to keep track of.
One of the reasons I hadn't started promoting yet was because I thought I should wait for the delegate program to start. I could have sworn I remember someone stating (before that email went out) that credit would only be given when the program started, not for stores signed up beforehand.
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posted November 24, 2002 08:24 AM
Before I start, let me state that what I am about to say is soley my opinion and view of the matter.
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Well of course there are stores already signed up. They are the ones already commited to the program. The Delegate program is to get new stores more stores!
DMTM
(Emphasis mine)
With all due respect (and a great deal is due), many of the stores already signed up were already running league/tournaments. They may not have known about Battlezone, but they are largely stores already dedicated to the game-pushovers compared to what delegates will face getting stores not running Pokemon to take up Battlezone.
Now, I realize that some of these locations were not running anything prior to battlezone. If a professor caused them to order a kit, then by all means they are deserving of the rewards (if that is feasible-and it may not be). That is what the program is about.
Again, I did not intend to demean any of your efforts to further this game. I appreciate them greatly. However, those efforts do not in my judgement fall under the umbrella of the delegate program. That program is for expansion. What you did is largely retention. Important, but really not the goal.
What I have just said may not sit well with some of you. I know that. Also recall that this is only meant to address stores with leage/tournaments prior to ordering kits. If you really did get a new store, good for you-that is what I feel the delegate program is about.
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posted November 24, 2002 09:18 AM
Yoshi,of course they are your opinions.Who else`s would they be? ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif) And of course,we know you aren`t demeaning anyone. ![[Cool]](../tcg/cool.gif)
With all due respect (and a great deal is due), many of the stores already signed up were already running league/tournaments.
True.The point I`m making though is that my store that I GL at would never have ordered it if I hadn`t told them about it.I`m the "Poke expert" and all things that happen Pokemonwise at the store are organized and started by me(Of which I`m more than happy to be doing!).
The main point of the delegate program is to get other stores to sign up for it, not necessarily just one store where you plan to run it yourself.
I,and others,understand the intent of the program to get more stores interested but in reality I`m being "punished" for keeping it at my store.Reality dictates that most stores that havent run League that you would "Delegate" to will want you to run it.Like Steve said "Fat chance that the retailer will accept THAT sales pitch".They wont have the slightest clue as to what to do and won`t have any employee there with any clue as well.I would have to offer my assistance(which many of us don`t have the time to do due to life and family as well as other priorities that would keep us from it.
We just want credit where credit is due.`Tis all.
`Sensei
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yoshi1001
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posted November 24, 2002 09:53 AM
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True.The point I`m making though is that my store that I GL at would never have ordered it if I hadn`t told them about it.I`m the "Poke expert" and all things that happen Pokemonwise at the store are organized and started by me(Of which I`m more than happy to be doing!).
I know what you mean. I had to remind the store owner back in WI to get new kits every season for year 3. Many stores are like that.
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I,and others,understand the intent of the program to get more stores interested but in reality I`m being "punished" for keeping it at my store.
"Punished?" You get a definite Battlezone Right where you expect it. Sorry, Sensei, but I don't see that as being "punished."
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We just want credit where credit is due.`Tis all.
All I'm basically saying is yes, credit is due, but you're barking up the wrong tree. WotC is trying to expand the game, and what you've done is maintain it. Important, but not what they're looking to recognise at the moment.
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posted November 24, 2002 09:58 AM
Well I think of it this way:
I am one who is in 'Sensei's situation. I KEPT pestering my local store owner to INQUIRE about battlezone... he HAD no clue what it was.
Now, MTM did say thet league stores would get info BUT my store owner kept telling me THAT he had no clue what battlezone was.
AS links & info kept getting posted I KEPT forwarding THAT info to him... and YES I TOO feel that if it weren't for myself MY GL's won't be running it (yep I feel I made these things happen - he even announced it to our GL's & league saying I educated him on it- AND I WON'T be running it oh well, NO MORE fun decks for a BZ league, my bro and I will be pulling a CPU at my league)
IS there any way we can have our store managers vouch for us?
I'll still PRESENT it to another store... WHICH IS THE REAL intent of BZ...
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posted November 24, 2002 02:18 PM
Although it would be nice to get rewarded for past performance, I've come to realize that perhaps the Delegate Program is designed to reward performance that goes above and beyond.
For argument's sake, let's say that a local store currently runs Pokemon League but hasn't signed up for BZ yet. Obviously, they probably intend to run BZ. Now, suppose a Professor (who already runs the league there) lists this store in his Delegate application. IMO, that is like a kid who approaches his parents to help him in his school fund-raising project. Where's the effort in THAT!
OK, I'll get "off my soap box." I TOTALLY praise those professors out there who will be approaching NEW stores (those not currently running leagues or tournaments) and presenting the BZ sales pitch. And, I "roll my eyes" at the rest of those professors who will be "selling BZ to their parents"..... ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
So, in conclusion; I'm torn on this issue. Sure, I want to be rewarded. Sure, I hate to see fellow professors getting rewarded for very little or no effort. Nevertheless, I know the rules. I'll just have to go make a BZ sales pitch to that store across town who dislikes Pokemon players and hope I can get thru the front door (and back out after I'm done). ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif)
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posted November 24, 2002 02:32 PM
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IMO, that is like a kid who approaches his parents to help him/her in his/her school fund-raising project. Where's the effort in THAT!
Well, a lot since my mom is a teacher and hates fundraisers. ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif) But in all seriousness what you refer to basically is preaching to choir, which I don't feel is what is requested.
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posted November 24, 2002 02:55 PM
yoshi, yah, I know I was preaching. It's SUNDAY! ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
Nevertheless, my point is in agreement with your statement that the intent of the Delegate Program is to "expand the game," and not to merely maintain the status quo.
Nevertheless, IMO, anyone who got a store to run BZ before the email was sent last Thursday, SHOULD get credit. Otherwise, there will be inequity in the Delegate Program (procrastinators will get rewarded but early-birders won't).
OR, don't let professors submit locations on their applications where leagues are already running.
I'll be content with either of these changes in the Delegate Program; otherwise, it's flawed.
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posted November 24, 2002 03:30 PM
I am at the same level with pokesensei,
I have worked long at our league, we have so many people its not funny, we are holding a huge tourny in Barrie in December, and we will probably getting more ppl to join out league, now what mike is talking about is totally unreasonable, to take our league and split it into seperate stores... it is hard enough to find a store willing to give up space for a card game. Now hopefully we will be getting a WotC store here in Barrie (just talk right now) but i mean we need Battlezone to keep our kids playing, if there is no more reason to play then they wont come back, therefore we totally destroy the league we have worked so hard to build. The league im in has been in it from the start, we have over 100 kids coming in each sunday for 3 sessions, the store almost makes as much on Pokemon as it does on Magic, which is pretty impressive, seeing as magic is nearly three times as popular here anyway. We even have kids coming from out of town to our league because none of their local stores will hold a place for it. it is really hard to keep this going if we get punished for being such a successful league. it is very surprising that in a small city of 115,000 people, we have nearly 10 Professors, where as in a metropolis of over 2 million, they have about 6. It would be very foolish on Mikes behalf, (No offense) to cut down leagues that have been so successful in promoting Pokemon and the TCG.
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posted November 24, 2002 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by yoshi1001:
Before I start, let me state that what I am about to say is soley my opinion and view of the matter.
With all due respect (and a great deal is due), many of the stores already signed up were already running league/tournaments. They may not have known about Battlezone, but they are largely stores already dedicated to the game-pushovers compared to what delegates will face getting stores not running Pokemon to take up Battlezone.
Now, I realize that some of these locations were not running anything prior to battlezone. If a professor caused them to order a kit, then by all means they are deserving of the rewards (if that is feasible-and it may not be). That is what the program is about.
Again, I did not intend to demean any of your efforts to further this game. I appreciate them greatly. However, those efforts do not in my judgement fall under the umbrella of the delegate program. That program is for expansion. What you did is largely retention. Important, but really not the goal.
What I have just said may not sit well with some of you. I know that. Also recall that this is only meant to address stores with leage/tournaments prior to ordering kits. If you really did get a new store, good for you-that is what I feel the delegate program is about.
Well, Yoshi, I assume you'll be letting us know what monumental gains you have made on behalf of the game's expansion, just as soon as you finish setting up a dozen new stores with Battle Zone. After all, we rely on you to show us "what the Delegate Program is really all about". We'll be waiting eagerly.
Until then, I'll continue running my two leagues and additional sanctioned tournaments until the BZ program gets off the ground.
Speaking of those two leagues, I just came home from running one. The store owner there told me flatly about a month ago that, in her opinion, Pokémon was drawing too few players compared to Yu-Gi-Oh. After all, the store's Yu-Gi-Oh tourneys draw over 100 players. Sales of Yu-Gi-Oh at that store outpace Pokémon by a factor of 10:1.
That owner told me a month ago that she had decided to drop Pokémon OP the end of this year's league, especially since she had not heard what the plans were for BZ, and since her former GL had quit Pokémon for Yu-Gi-Oh.
That's when I pitched BZ to her. She resisted at first, but when I committed to running it myself she accepted the offer. Her store is now listed on the WotC website as an official BZ location. You're @&$% right I deserve credit for this!.
But, that's not all. I intend to run TWO Battle Zones. This is a major strain on my time, since I have a full-time job , 3 kids, 2 teams to coach and extracurriculars to run, etc.? How 'bout you, Yoshi?! I'm sure you are a very busy man too... 
In addition, I plan to pitch the BZ program to several stores where I will not be able to run it (I mean, 2 is enough...). The goal of course will be to build the game throughout my area.
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However, those efforts do not in my judgement fall under the umbrella of the delegate program. That program is for expansion. What you did is largely retention. Important, but really not the goal.
Now, frankly, Yoshi, I must say that your not-so-humble opinion on this will matter one miniscule iota to me only when you show the rest of us that your own efforts meet the standards you so kindly set for us. Until then... 
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posted November 24, 2002 05:19 PM
I am well aware of your efforts, Lizard. They are more than commendable. I can think of few people more dedicated to the game. Please understand what I am saying.
I don't deny that any of you deserve credit for your work. I am merely asking what kind of credit is deserved for such actions. I suppose that's like asking if Nurse Joy deserves more credit for routine checkups or major operations. They're both important, aren't they? In essence that is what we have here. We have people maintaining leagues/Battlezones (routine checkups), and creating new ones (major operations). Clearly both deserve credit, but how much?
The answer is quite complicated. Yes, people who perform the rountine jobs do over time achieve something of stature equal to or exceeding those who choose to promote expansion. However, at what time is it appropriate to reward and credit them? With the latter group it is easy-once a new Battlezone forms, they are rewarded. But it is impractical to reward every session, every ordering of a kit, every individual stride. So at what point do we recognise such logevity? I don't know, but the delegate program does not strike me as such a point.
I am not attempting to set the pace here. I'm just saying I don't feel it's a right to clump this maintainance with the expansion of the delegate program. I know some of you had to jump through hoops to get those zones before the program, but I have a feeling WotC doesn't want to do this on a case-by-case basis. Bear in mind there may be other unknown facets of the program that precipitated this decision.
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posted November 24, 2002 06:16 PM
Selling BZ to our parents.ROTFLMBO!
And great posts everyone!
Now,reading through the latest e-mail,Mike does state that there will be other chances to earn the promo`s.Here`s what he said and then I`ll post what I feel he`ll need to consider if he feels that we who have already "pitched" it to our stores won`t get any rewards.
Also, the exclusive promo cards that will be part of the reward system for
this program may also be used to pay Judges at premiere events as well.
If you don't have the time for the Delegate program now (or to run BattleZone)
you may have a chance to get some of this stuff later on. Remember the point
of this all is our way of thanking you for the help that you are providing
as an active Professor. You older players and judges and gym leaders and
parents can provide a lot of needed energy and enthusiam to help Pokemon
thrive
OK...
We may not be able to make those "other chances" to get them.Hopefully we will,but not everyone will be able to.So,in order to make sure that we at least get some of the rewards once,he needs to credit the people as I and the others have stated above about all the hard work and time we have done to keep Pokemon alive not to mention how we "pitched" our stores to continue Pokemon with BZ.After all,here is his quote:
Remember the point
of this all is our way of thanking you for the help that you are providing
as an active Professor.You older players and judges and gym leaders and
parents can provide a lot of needed energy and enthusiam to help Pokemon
thrive
So,the point is they are thanking us for the help we are providing?Then reward us that have gotten our store to pre-order it please!
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posted November 24, 2002 06:54 PM
Hey sensei, maybe you could pitch BZ(seeing as ur gonna be a delegate) to my B-A-M! store, because im not exactly sure how to go about it. I could run it, but you get the delegate points etc for pitching it(better one person than neither.)
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posted November 24, 2002 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by TheCrossFormatKid:
Hey sensei, maybe you could pitch BZ(seeing as ur gonna be a delegate) to my B-A-M! store, because im not exactly sure how to go about it. I could run it, but you get the delegate points etc for pitching it(better one person than neither.)
Thanx,but how about I pitch it and you get the promo`s and credit?It`s your League,so I want you to get all the good stuff for it.Of course,I`ll have to mail in the legal stuff but e-mail so we can coordinate everything.
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posted November 24, 2002 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by yoshi1001:
I am not attempting to set the pace here. I'm just saying I don't feel it's a right to clump this maintainance with the expansion of the delegate program. I know some of you had to jump through hoops to get those zones before the program, but I have a feeling WotC doesn't want to do this on a case-by-case basis. Bear in mind there may be other unknown facets of the program that precipitated this decision.
Yoshi: You have been very clear on your view of this. 
However, I think it's best that we get input from the other MTs before we accept your decision as final.
Or, wait... maybe it's not you who made this decision, after all. 
Funny... I seem to remember something about a guy named MTM being put in charge of BZ. May we have your permission to get his input about this?
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posted November 25, 2002 11:52 AM
Instead of quoting I will just try to address all of the posts collectively.
In the past (and currently) I have been holding sanctioned tournaments in my area, as well as providing my own prize support for them. I also attended a league about an hour a way to play, since it was the only time I had to actually play the game. These tournaments are something I plan to continue into next year, as well as possibly starting to run my own BattleZone. What my point boils down to is we are all working very hard to promote this game we all love.
The delegate program is strictly for promoting BattleZone to other stores, not necessarily the stores we will run it at. For promoting the game and getting other stores to take it on we will be rewarded. In no way is the delegate program here to reward us for everything we've ever done for the Pokemon TCG, and we shouldn't expect it to reward us for the things we would normally do with or without the delegate program. If you don't want to delegate BattleZone to other stores then that is your decision, but you shouldn't *be* in the program if you don't plan to delegate to at least one store other than your own. That's the entire point of the program, is it not? Spread the game. We'd still be running our tournaments and leagues even if the delegate program wasn't here, why reward us for that?
I don't mean to step on any toes here, but the whole point of the program is to delegate BattleZone. The rewards we receive are just a perk for bringing the game to other store locations where it wouldn't normally be. However, if in your delegate fervor you already began promoting it to places where it normally wouldn't be, then credit is due. I hope in your case they'll make an exception to the rules, but if not, I can also understand why. The program wasn't in place yet, but not all is lost-- simply promote to other stores who don't have it yet. That is what the program is for, afterall.
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posted November 25, 2002 01:54 PM
OK, I know I got this snowball rolling over in another post, but I've been away since I posted said rant. Here is something that should be thought on long and hard -
Without maintenance, there can be no expansion. If you fail to maintain the sites that currently support the game and OP, you must work TWICE AS HARD to gain lost ground.
The early adopters can be used as a model for the newer stores that are being asked to run BZ. I can affrim the lack of knowledge that BZ was coming. We spoke to the two League locations in my city (one of which we run) and they had no inkling thru corporate channels that BZ even existed. The other store didn't know a thing about it either, and they are a Premier Store with WotC. I'm almost positive that the other store will pick up BattleZone after my wife makes the pitch to them. We made the pitch to the store, who as a chain has long supported Pokémon, and they decided to pick it up AGAINST the wishes of the chain. That's putting your butt on the line. My wife and I convinced them to do that, because my family and I want to see this game thrive and grow. I appreciate the clarification that 'Sensei put on my question during the chat. Believe me, we are in the same boat as the majority of folk here. Between a job, a current league, and regular life pulls, I don't know if we can maintain 2 leagues considering how erratic my work schedule is. Just give credit where credit is due, that's all that is asked.
[ November 25, 2002, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: DaytonGymLeader ]
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posted November 25, 2002 03:54 PM
DMTM peeks in... ![[Eek!]](../tcg/eek.gif)
DMTM says he will leave this one to all of you and MTM since he cannot speak for the Delegate program and is just glad that is true.
The coward slinks away...
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posted November 25, 2002 04:09 PM
Wimp....
Back to to seriousness. In any case, My opinion in a nutshell is that yes the everyday maintainance should be recognized, but not through this program. Perhaps a professor hall of fame or "prof of the month" or something would be better.
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posted November 25, 2002 07:45 PM
He loses his tail and look what happens.He turns yella! ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
Anyways,DGL summed it up precisely.
All we would like to see is the credit and rewards for doing the same thing others are being rewarded for,only we did it earlier(not to mention all our blood,sweat,and tears,time,hardwork,etc...that we`ve put into our current store and Pokemon).Thats all.
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posted November 26, 2002 12:01 PM
Well I'm back. Mike and I have discussed this and the many factors which come into play.
If I understand your position many of you believe that you should get credit for stores that you have gotten to sign up, but before the program was started.
If this is correct then let me say I do not see the issue from the same stand point as many of you.
The program is meant for future aquisition. It was never meant to reward the undeniably hard work you all did in the past.
If I mowed the lawn yesterday and my dad told me tomorrow that he would now start payin me $5 to mow the lawn from now on I don't ask for the $5 for the lawn I mowed previously. Giving credit where credit is due should start when the program starts. This is my opinion.
I do not believe you are being "punished" for your previous work. That work is appreciated but is previous to the program. This work is subsequent and a new way to get the ball rolling.
Yes, I understand that many of you work very hard and go out of your way to make this game continue in your leagues. Do not think I do not know it and appreciate it.
We just disagree on when you should start getting credit.
That said it has been discussed, and agreed that you will get credit for stores you have already talked to on a first come first serve basis. That means the info that gets to us first on that store is who gets credit. You will need a concrete way of proving that such as a business card.
I just hope people don't take advantage of this and "steal" places out from underneath you.
We just do not have the resources to sift through all the mail we would be getting on these stores. So this is how it has to be.
Mike is working hard to get this information all put down and out. So that is why the coward came back to inform you of the developments and our take on it.
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