Prerelease Cutbacks over the years.....
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Was it a prerelease or a release? They had the cards for sale at the store that same day. Maybe only they had it that day.
But that was a limited event at just one location.
RandyDragon
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I think 8 packs and sleeves is a great deal for $25. If you think about it, packs cost about what, $3-4 a piece and sleeves are about the same price. By going to a PR, you're actually really getting some stuff for free, so I'm quite happy with what gets handed out
AnimeDDR110
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Yes but what I'm trying to get at is that 10 packs for $20.00 is better and what we used to have.
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I kinda count the RS Challenge as the Prerelease for RS. It was essentially the same thing, 6 packs, prizes to the winners.
Prerelease "prizes" haven't been going down. If anything, they've been going up. They're just redistributed more effectively across the entire player base so that more players can get good amounts of product.
Prerelease "prizes" haven't been going down. If anything, they've been going up. They're just redistributed more effectively across the entire player base so that more players can get good amounts of product.
master of puppets
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it was 15 bucks for us up until i think EM? maybe UF, not completely sure.
but the price has definitely gone up with prizes going down.
used to get a whole box for winning and the next PR paid for you.
but its still a good deal, seeing as how everything would cost more if you bought it at the store.
i do wish i could have won a whole box for the last 4 prereleases i won though... haha.
if theyre going to give away those sleeves instead of packs though, they need to make them like the lucario ones so that they dont SUCK like the electivire, weavile, and darkrai ones do. mine split after like 1 week!
but the price has definitely gone up with prizes going down.
used to get a whole box for winning and the next PR paid for you.
but its still a good deal, seeing as how everything would cost more if you bought it at the store.
i do wish i could have won a whole box for the last 4 prereleases i won though... haha.
if theyre going to give away those sleeves instead of packs though, they need to make them like the lucario ones so that they dont SUCK like the electivire, weavile, and darkrai ones do. mine split after like 1 week!
Mew
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I think it's cute how alot of people keep bringing up what Wizards did. You say they didn't have any Pre-releases? They didn't need to. The game was crazy popular. Also, why would you even base anything on what they did... they tried to kill the game.
Of course the game is better off now. It is run by a competent company, and people who care about the game, rather than solely focusing on the mass intake of money. But when Pokemon started to revive the game, they offered much better player support at Pre's, Gym Challenges, ect. Now that the game is almost back to full force, they are starting to cut back. That's the correct decsion. Why should they keep spending money to the extent that used to, if spending less would do the same thing now.
But, when people, like the Topic creater, start to notice these changes, and they become unhappy with them, then something should be done about it. I mean you could say leave if you aren't happy, but IMO I wouldn't want to play a game if that's the company policy that supports the game. But really, right now the pre's are still very good. If they evey make a massive cutback again (like say they leave it at $25, and they bascially do away with anything extra, you just get the packs) then they could have a problem on their hands (e.g. remember, in the past they gave entire boxes for 1st place at the pre's, and they only cost 15$ a person :O)
At the moment however, there really isn't any reason to discuss this.
Of course the game is better off now. It is run by a competent company, and people who care about the game, rather than solely focusing on the mass intake of money. But when Pokemon started to revive the game, they offered much better player support at Pre's, Gym Challenges, ect. Now that the game is almost back to full force, they are starting to cut back. That's the correct decsion. Why should they keep spending money to the extent that used to, if spending less would do the same thing now.
But, when people, like the Topic creater, start to notice these changes, and they become unhappy with them, then something should be done about it. I mean you could say leave if you aren't happy, but IMO I wouldn't want to play a game if that's the company policy that supports the game. But really, right now the pre's are still very good. If they evey make a massive cutback again (like say they leave it at $25, and they bascially do away with anything extra, you just get the packs) then they could have a problem on their hands (e.g. remember, in the past they gave entire boxes for 1st place at the pre's, and they only cost 15$ a person :O)
At the moment however, there really isn't any reason to discuss this.
In the past, PRs gave the winners a box, true. But do you remember what 5th place got? 8th? NADDA. They got the 6 packs they built their deck with and nothing else. That is not the way to grow the game IMO. Back then, the packs retailed at 2.99 (if I recall) and 6 x 3 = 18. The PRs cost 15-20 bucks. So, where was the true value if you didnt win the box?? And, there is some skill in playing sealed also. I won a few of those boxes back in my day. So did my son in JRs. It was a very nice value for us, but not the majority.
Today, EVERYONE gets a darn good value, EVERYONE gets 2 add'l packs at the end and, to the best of my knowledge, EVERYONE has fun. Likewise, do the math....PUI actually gave out fewer packs w/ the box winner vs now. If you had 20 MAs, that is 120 packs for the tourney, another 36 for the winner (trying to recall if 2nd -4th got anything too). That is 156 packs. Now, 20 x 8 = 160 packs. Also, most PTOs that I know has doorprizes at PRs.
Keith
Today, EVERYONE gets a darn good value, EVERYONE gets 2 add'l packs at the end and, to the best of my knowledge, EVERYONE has fun. Likewise, do the math....PUI actually gave out fewer packs w/ the box winner vs now. If you had 20 MAs, that is 120 packs for the tourney, another 36 for the winner (trying to recall if 2nd -4th got anything too). That is 156 packs. Now, 20 x 8 = 160 packs. Also, most PTOs that I know has doorprizes at PRs.
Keith
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What's this about people getting a deckbox for DF? 
PK didn't get a deckbox, it was a notebook.
AnimeDDR110, do you know what you're talking about?
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Isn't this topic a dead horse? PRs are about fun. And, based on the math that Lawman as provided us with, PUI giving out more packs under this current model means more trading after the event among more people, in this trading card game.
PK didn't get a deckbox, it was a notebook.
AnimeDDR110, do you know what you're talking about?
quoted for truth
Isn't this topic a dead horse? PRs are about fun. And, based on the math that Lawman as provided us with, PUI giving out more packs under this current model means more trading after the event among more people, in this trading card game.
GodTrainer
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I remember when we had to walk to our prereleases....
in the snow....
up hill...
BOTH ways....
so there:tongue:
in the snow....
up hill...
BOTH ways....
so there:tongue:
You have $X to run pre-releases every year.
First year you run 10, so prize & organizer support is 1/10th X for each event.
In the third year, you work very hard to show OP increased sales and get a new budget Y = 2X.
Year 3 you run 50, so prize & organizer support should be 1/25th X for each event.
Year 3 prizes are a little leaner but MORE people are having a great time.
And, side effect, with no full-box prize for 1st organizers don't have to police so much for players adding cards from Target or the previous week's pre-release (or a pal) to their decks. More unique players are served since travelling bands aren't hunting the free box from pre to pre.
First year you run 10, so prize & organizer support is 1/10th X for each event.
In the third year, you work very hard to show OP increased sales and get a new budget Y = 2X.
Year 3 you run 50, so prize & organizer support should be 1/25th X for each event.
Year 3 prizes are a little leaner but MORE people are having a great time.
And, side effect, with no full-box prize for 1st organizers don't have to police so much for players adding cards from Target or the previous week's pre-release (or a pal) to their decks. More unique players are served since travelling bands aren't hunting the free box from pre to pre.
yup. how many incidents of cheating at a pre have there been, since the box for first was eliminated in favor of extra packs for all?
'mom
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This argument doesn't make any sense to me. By saying this, you're essentially also advocating the loss of any prize from any tournaments. If there are prizes on the line, some people will try and cheat their win, but that isn't necessarily a reason to make cuts.
Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with a more socialized prize distribution, but I am simply stating that this argument isn't a good reason for it.
pres are supposed to be a 'fun' tourney...for everyone. judges AND TOs, too.
where's the 'fun' in a highly luck-based event if people are cheating to get that box, or judges/tourney organizers have to enforce things like deckswapping in order to prevent cheating in the second week of the events? ever tried explaining to a 8 y/o...or their parent...why they don't get to keep the cool cards in the packs they just opened?
'mom
where's the 'fun' in a highly luck-based event if people are cheating to get that box, or judges/tourney organizers have to enforce things like deckswapping in order to prevent cheating in the second week of the events? ever tried explaining to a 8 y/o...or their parent...why they don't get to keep the cool cards in the packs they just opened?
'mom
Phazon Elite
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Back when there were 18-36 packs for winning a prerelease, everyone would have to fill out a gigantic list of all the cards in the set and which ones and how many of each they pulled just to help the TO identify if anyone was cheating by using cards they got from elsewhere. Eventually, that got too annoying, so they just gave everyone extra cards.
I agree with that decision, even though I won three or four boxes worth of cards by winning multiple pre-releases. Plus, because of my insane pack luck, they lost me as a customer for a good two or three years. I kept on getting all my cards for free. lol
Cyrus
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Eh, while she could've chosen her wording better, I think SD Pokemom brings up a good point when you read the post in context. The same type of people would LIKE to cheat at both pre's _and_ premier events, but only do it at prereleases because it's easier. After all, you almost never have a judge watching you build your deck, so it's very easy to accidentally "trade cards" and play stupid.
I like socialism in low-tier Pokemon events for the reasons that 'Mom brings up; however, if a TO wants to put on a tourney geared towards more competitive types after the event, then he/she is free to do so.
I like socialism in low-tier Pokemon events for the reasons that 'Mom brings up; however, if a TO wants to put on a tourney geared towards more competitive types after the event, then he/she is free to do so.
Lucario EX
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What do you mean by deckswapping?
To the above: I understand what went on during that time. I played in many prereleases back then and I knew of plenty of cheating that went on. All I'm saying is that I don't think cheating is a legitimate argument for cut backs, because that could easily create a slippery slope, which no one wants.
'Mom: I'm not advocating cheating, nor am I advocating prized prereleases. And this is the exact slippery slope I'm talking about. What's the fun in competing if people are cheating? There isn't. That applies to any tournament, prerelease or not.
Phazon: What if deck checks become too much a hassle? What if random deck checks become too much of a hassle?
Cyrus: Thanks for putting it in perspective. That makes a little more sense now.
'Mom: I'm not advocating cheating, nor am I advocating prized prereleases. And this is the exact slippery slope I'm talking about. What's the fun in competing if people are cheating? There isn't. That applies to any tournament, prerelease or not.
Phazon: What if deck checks become too much a hassle? What if random deck checks become too much of a hassle?
Cyrus: Thanks for putting it in perspective. That makes a little more sense now.
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