Werewolf IX (Team Galactic's Plot) ENDGAME AND ANALYSIS!!!!!
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Kabutops141
New Member
I undertand. My bad. It won't happen again.
Lucario EX
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I have to agree that Jason and Brawler are acting a bit weird. Until I come up with a better suspect...
VOTE: Jason
VOTE: Jason
Time for Pain
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VOTE: Jason
reason: it's the new rage
reason: it's the new rage
Absoltrainer
Active Member
VOTE COUNT:
VOTES NEEDED TO LYNCH 11
Mew* - 2
Cardzmaster2004 - 1
Jason - 6
Undecided - 8
also FYI, it looks like i won't have to put the game on hold after all. If I do end up losing power....well we'll see. For now, the game is still on.
VOTES NEEDED TO LYNCH 11
Mew* - 2
Cardzmaster2004 - 1
Jason - 6
Undecided - 8
also FYI, it looks like i won't have to put the game on hold after all. If I do end up losing power....well we'll see. For now, the game is still on.
sdrawkcab
Forum Moderator
Alright Jason, you don't seem to understand the predicament your in.
Your first post in this thread (since the game started) was a meir bandwagon post.
I can't say for sure, but based on the time of your post, along with the time of your other posts, it appears that your vote for mew* was the first post of your online session (theres an 8+ hour gap between your day1 vote and your preivious post)
This can suggest that Cardz day 1 post against mew* could have been the only post you read before posting yourself.
It was, at the very least, the most recent post at the time of your posting, so seeing an oppertunity to join a newly-preposed bandwagon behind one of the more "annalitical" players. That in itself is a safe play, and had I not already posted my opinion, I would have done the same.
However, when you combine bandwagoning behind Cardz (which at the time might have been a convincing argument) along with bandwagoning behind brawler (with a much less convincing argument) we are shown a trend.
Brawlers reasoning for voting against mew is simply because he had the 2nd most votes priviously and he felt he would be an easy lynch. I ASUME you agreed because you were still convinced from Cardz day 1 post....which is now out-dated due to the events reveild during the night. In fact, I would bet that Cardz's concern for mew's "role claim" is no longer a major threat in his books.
Only after our fingers point towards you do you make a claim suggesting that mew* "is seriously up to something". Not only is saving this information until your under the gun supissious to begain with....but you don't even back up your claim.
If you really want to save your butt, then please explain to us how you "know" Mew is up to something...convince us rather then telling us, and then you might get the support of the crowd.
If your the seeer and KNOW that mew* is up to something, then let us know, tell us what you know, and ask the priest for protection....perhaps if your bold enough to make such a claim then you might win my vote.
Until then...just to make my point clear....
UNVOTE: JASON
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NOSAJ :ETOV
(I asume that still counts as a vote =p)
Your first post in this thread (since the game started) was a meir bandwagon post.
I can't say for sure, but based on the time of your post, along with the time of your other posts, it appears that your vote for mew* was the first post of your online session (theres an 8+ hour gap between your day1 vote and your preivious post)
This can suggest that Cardz day 1 post against mew* could have been the only post you read before posting yourself.
It was, at the very least, the most recent post at the time of your posting, so seeing an oppertunity to join a newly-preposed bandwagon behind one of the more "annalitical" players. That in itself is a safe play, and had I not already posted my opinion, I would have done the same.
However, when you combine bandwagoning behind Cardz (which at the time might have been a convincing argument) along with bandwagoning behind brawler (with a much less convincing argument) we are shown a trend.
Brawlers reasoning for voting against mew is simply because he had the 2nd most votes priviously and he felt he would be an easy lynch. I ASUME you agreed because you were still convinced from Cardz day 1 post....which is now out-dated due to the events reveild during the night. In fact, I would bet that Cardz's concern for mew's "role claim" is no longer a major threat in his books.
Only after our fingers point towards you do you make a claim suggesting that mew* "is seriously up to something". Not only is saving this information until your under the gun supissious to begain with....but you don't even back up your claim.
If you really want to save your butt, then please explain to us how you "know" Mew is up to something...convince us rather then telling us, and then you might get the support of the crowd.
If your the seeer and KNOW that mew* is up to something, then let us know, tell us what you know, and ask the priest for protection....perhaps if your bold enough to make such a claim then you might win my vote.
Until then...just to make my point clear....
UNVOTE: JASON
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NOSAJ :ETOV
(I asume that still counts as a vote =p)
FriedBlaziken
New Member
Hmm... I still think there are many other suspects such as shinygyrados but as for now...VOTE: Jason However if he is a town person and him and Brawler are masons we'll kill 2 birds with 1 stone, making the wolves' jobs easier.
Azure Kite
New Member
Sdrawkcab, you pretty muchly said it for me. Give us evidence Jason, or its the boot....
UNVOTE: undecided
VOTE: Jason
UNVOTE: undecided
VOTE: Jason
Cardzmaster2004
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Jason: wow. That is the least convincing "Don't vote for me." post I've ever seen. I've made some bad ones in other forums, but that kinda takes the cake.
If you're gonna make a role claim, then just do it. If no one refutes it, then you're on easy street. I would suggest, however, that you use logic to get yourself out of this situation as opposed to role claiming. Only role claim when you are within 2-3 votes of being and need to quickly change the tide of voting. Capiche (sp)?
backwards: I still consider Mew*'s role claim major, as I've already seen at least four-five players with posting restrictions on their roles. Logic says that no game should have that many in my mind. I could be wrong, of course, but I think at least one of our "post restrictors" is bluffing. More on that alter, as I don't think that's where our voting should gear towards.
However, I do pseudo agree with your argument towards Jason. Jason has been in the past, and is often many times, a bandwagonner. He has yet to show proof of why he has voted other than the bandwagon reason and also the "You really, really don't want to kill me" reason. Neither of which are strong enough to warrent a non-vote. However, Brawler is a complete unknown for us right now. He hasn't stated his reason for voting for Mew* beyond Day 1 politicking AND also has yet to take down his vote (Mew* is still at 2 votes at last count). Why has Brawler not modified his vote in the face of such strong empirical evidence? I haven't the slightest clue and turn these questions on him:
Brawler: Why has your vote not been dropped in the face of the debate that has gone on? The overwhelming Town religion says that your votes are unfounded and should be taken down. Do you have other evidence to support your vote?
Brawler/Jason: Are you siblings or a Masonic group or neither? This will affect how I vote today.
More later!
If you're gonna make a role claim, then just do it. If no one refutes it, then you're on easy street. I would suggest, however, that you use logic to get yourself out of this situation as opposed to role claiming. Only role claim when you are within 2-3 votes of being and need to quickly change the tide of voting. Capiche (sp)?
backwards: I still consider Mew*'s role claim major, as I've already seen at least four-five players with posting restrictions on their roles. Logic says that no game should have that many in my mind. I could be wrong, of course, but I think at least one of our "post restrictors" is bluffing. More on that alter, as I don't think that's where our voting should gear towards.
However, I do pseudo agree with your argument towards Jason. Jason has been in the past, and is often many times, a bandwagonner. He has yet to show proof of why he has voted other than the bandwagon reason and also the "You really, really don't want to kill me" reason. Neither of which are strong enough to warrent a non-vote. However, Brawler is a complete unknown for us right now. He hasn't stated his reason for voting for Mew* beyond Day 1 politicking AND also has yet to take down his vote (Mew* is still at 2 votes at last count). Why has Brawler not modified his vote in the face of such strong empirical evidence? I haven't the slightest clue and turn these questions on him:
Brawler: Why has your vote not been dropped in the face of the debate that has gone on? The overwhelming Town religion says that your votes are unfounded and should be taken down. Do you have other evidence to support your vote?
Brawler/Jason: Are you siblings or a Masonic group or neither? This will affect how I vote today.
More later!
Ikrit
New Member
Well, quite the development. I am unfourtantly going to have to post a bit.
First of all, I think I can say with 95% certainty that cardz is not a wolf. While it would be strategic for a "biting" wolf to attempt to bite one of his fellow teammates, in order to lower suspicion, this does not make sense in cardz predicament, because it was clear from his first couple of posts that he would not be considered a wolf for an extended period of time.
Next, while Jason has now called the seer role, it is a high possibility that if he has it, and it worked on Mew* that there are two seers.
I take that as a Seer attempting to find out what cardz was. As long as a seer cannot look at two targets in one night (which I think we can assume), we either have two seers, or Jason is lying. Not that I think he is worthy of our vote.
On to the priest. I think that regardless of Jason's role claim, the priest should still protect cardz. Why? Because it is clear that one, if Jason is a seer, we have another seer and a detective, two, cardz in truth is being more helpful to the villager cause currently then Jason is, three, being a seer is no use to the villagers if the wolves know who the seer is. Also, cardz has a new role that I definently want to see!
On the Vigilante, that was either a superb fluke, or the person has basic deductive skills. It seemed clear to me that metricus was a wolf from the way he changed his votes. I was going to attempt to start a bandwagon against him the second day but he was killed off in the night.
Cardz; I think you should reveal your role to us. I think that not only will it reinforce the belief that you are a villager worthy of protection from the priest's ownsauce block all, but it will also give everyone yet another piece to the puzzle in this game, effectively another way to vote analytically.
Now, onto things that I think are important that went on during the night but are as of yet either unnoticed or not really thought about. There is only really one for me to point out.
For this there are several possibilities. One is that Azure Kite is the silencer, and that his role makes him smile after he silences someone (Low probability, I have never seen a silencer do this before). The second is that someone's ability makes people smile (med probability). Another is that he is smiling because of DFB getting taken out (Low-med probability). My bet is that he is just smiling because it is someones role, however the other two possibilities cannot be ruled out. Moreover, what more does this "smiler" do. If it is indeed a solitary role used on Azure Kite, surely it does more than simply make him smile. Thats a scary thought indeed.
Perhaps this is indicative of a pokemon vigilante/independent, seperate from the one who took out metricus. So far to my knowlede this has been completely overlooked. This cannot be the wolves attacking DFB because DFB was not a pokemon. Also, the lightning attack that hit DFB was clearly contrasted with this one, saying that it was of a different magnitude. So perhaps we have alot of night killers. I count the wolves, the Metricus vigilante/indi, and this third vigilante/indi.
On the Jason Vote, I do not believe we should allow Jason to be terminated so quickly. This day needs to last for atleast two more days for more communication and clue gathering. I would strongly suggest that people who are going to vote Jason wait a bit and talk more before pulling the trigger. According to my count we are upto 8 votes for Jason, meaning he will be lynched three votes from now, unless a vote related role is active. I find this day to have gone by far too fast if he gets lynched sometime today, we should take more time to talk.
As for me, I still have no impetus to vote for anyone yet. Or should I say that I will not vote for anyone until more time goes by. More discussion is necessary.
Vote: Undecided
First of all, I think I can say with 95% certainty that cardz is not a wolf. While it would be strategic for a "biting" wolf to attempt to bite one of his fellow teammates, in order to lower suspicion, this does not make sense in cardz predicament, because it was clear from his first couple of posts that he would not be considered a wolf for an extended period of time.
Next, while Jason has now called the seer role, it is a high possibility that if he has it, and it worked on Mew* that there are two seers.
I take that as a Seer attempting to find out what cardz was. As long as a seer cannot look at two targets in one night (which I think we can assume), we either have two seers, or Jason is lying. Not that I think he is worthy of our vote.
On to the priest. I think that regardless of Jason's role claim, the priest should still protect cardz. Why? Because it is clear that one, if Jason is a seer, we have another seer and a detective, two, cardz in truth is being more helpful to the villager cause currently then Jason is, three, being a seer is no use to the villagers if the wolves know who the seer is. Also, cardz has a new role that I definently want to see!
On the Vigilante, that was either a superb fluke, or the person has basic deductive skills. It seemed clear to me that metricus was a wolf from the way he changed his votes. I was going to attempt to start a bandwagon against him the second day but he was killed off in the night.
Cardz; I think you should reveal your role to us. I think that not only will it reinforce the belief that you are a villager worthy of protection from the priest's ownsauce block all, but it will also give everyone yet another piece to the puzzle in this game, effectively another way to vote analytically.
Now, onto things that I think are important that went on during the night but are as of yet either unnoticed or not really thought about. There is only really one for me to point out.
For this there are several possibilities. One is that Azure Kite is the silencer, and that his role makes him smile after he silences someone (Low probability, I have never seen a silencer do this before). The second is that someone's ability makes people smile (med probability). Another is that he is smiling because of DFB getting taken out (Low-med probability). My bet is that he is just smiling because it is someones role, however the other two possibilities cannot be ruled out. Moreover, what more does this "smiler" do. If it is indeed a solitary role used on Azure Kite, surely it does more than simply make him smile. Thats a scary thought indeed.
Perhaps this is indicative of a pokemon vigilante/independent, seperate from the one who took out metricus. So far to my knowlede this has been completely overlooked. This cannot be the wolves attacking DFB because DFB was not a pokemon. Also, the lightning attack that hit DFB was clearly contrasted with this one, saying that it was of a different magnitude. So perhaps we have alot of night killers. I count the wolves, the Metricus vigilante/indi, and this third vigilante/indi.
On the Jason Vote, I do not believe we should allow Jason to be terminated so quickly. This day needs to last for atleast two more days for more communication and clue gathering. I would strongly suggest that people who are going to vote Jason wait a bit and talk more before pulling the trigger. According to my count we are upto 8 votes for Jason, meaning he will be lynched three votes from now, unless a vote related role is active. I find this day to have gone by far too fast if he gets lynched sometime today, we should take more time to talk.
As for me, I still have no impetus to vote for anyone yet. Or should I say that I will not vote for anyone until more time goes by. More discussion is necessary.
Vote: Undecided
Azure Kite
New Member
Well being a night killer doesn't necessarily mean you get a garunteed kill a night. Certain roles may have the possibilty of killing, but certain aspects may have to be in play, or it may be a matter of chance, like DFB's card that gave the wolves only a 50% chance to kill him.
Kabutops141
New Member
Jason-Your last post was kind of lame. I'm also highly suspicious of you and Brawler. Soo...
UNVOTE: Undecided
VOTE: Jason
UNVOTE: Undecided
VOTE: Jason