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Rampardos scares me like heck, being donked by that thing will not be fun. But Torterra/Shaymin/Sceptile can work.

I only use Shaymin Lv.X for the attack. Haha, take that Dialga G Lv.X, trying to get me scared.

Anyways, BlastCatty can be good. Ampharos still doesn't scare me. How about when you look at the top 9 or 12 cards on your deck each turn, you power blastoise like crazy. And kill Ampharos, every match up. The deck will do fine.
 
I've completely changed my opinion here's my new list:

Tier 1: Dusknoir(Giratina is in my opinion the best varient.) Torterra
Tier 2: Kingdra, Gengar, Amph, G pokemon, Blastcatty
Tier 3: Mightyena/Skuntank(I don't care what you people say, the deck is INSANE.) Other stuff.
 
I think that Abomasnow is totally out of the competition now.
Machamp Kingdra Rampardos and Bibarel will rule the world!!!!

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JK about Bibarel, LOL :lol:
 
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I think Dusknoir's gonna end up taking a beating at states. Its too slow for most of the really quick stuff that Platinum is packing. Torterra ia a maybe, but don't rely too heavily on it. Dusk will still see play, but it won't be as viable. AMU can see a comeback with Level MAX, so look out for it too.

Tier 1: Kingdra, G Pokes, Beedrill
Tier 2: Ramparados, Blastcatty,Machamp, Torterra
Tier 3: Dusknoir, Ampharos (Still too early to count its chickens..), AMU

Anyone who speaks of Rhyperior, Try again. The deck kills itself too fast for it to be viable.
 
I think Dusknoir's gonna end up taking a beating at states. Its too slow for most of the really quick stuff that Platinum is packing. Torterra ia a maybe, but don't rely too heavily on it. Dusk will still see play, but it won't be as viable. AMU can see a comeback with Level MAX, so look out for it too.

Tier 1: Kingdra, G Pokes, Beedrill
Tier 2: Ramparados, Blastcatty,Machamp, Torterra
Tier 3: Dusknoir, Ampharos (Still too early to count its chickens..), AMU

Anyone who speaks of Rhyperior, Try again. The deck kills itself too fast for it to be viable.

More like:

Tier 1: Kingdra, Machamp, Blastcatty
Tier 2 Rampardos, G pokemon, Beedrill, Torterra
Tier 3 Dusknoir, Ampharos
Tier 3.5 AMU

lol. i dont know who can go into states with G's Regi or AMU
 
More like:

Tier 1: Kingdra, Machamp, Blastcatty
Tier 2 Rampardos, G pokemon, Beedrill, Torterra
Tier 3 Dusknoir, Ampharos
Tier 3.5 AMU

lol. i dont know who can go into states with G's Regi or AMU

Machamp as tier one? Blastcatty as tier one?
I definitley disagree.
Blastcatty is good when setup, but moderatley slow.
Machamp is good for the early game but lacks real damage unless you have four energy.
And relying on flips....you might as well play porygon-z...
 
Machamp as tier one? Blastcatty as tier one?
I definitley disagree.
Blastcatty is good when setup, but moderatley slow.
Machamp is good for the early game but lacks real damage unless you have four energy.
And relying on flips....you might as well play porygon-z...

regirock says four energy isnt much of a problem...
 
Kingdra dies to amphy and if amphy is played as much as it is hyped then both kingdra and blastoise will fail. Champ isn't really that good especially with toxicroak killing it so much. G pokemon are decent. Probaly tier 1.5 I say. I think rampardos is easily tier 1. Torterra only gets better. I mean what is a auto win against it. Practically nothing. AMU and Gigas are both still good. Dusknoir dies almost completely. Beedrill may see some succesful play too.
 
Machamp has too weak of a late game to hold par against Kingdra and something with fighting resistance, scoop ups, and STS.

Kingdra remains BDIF, it loses nothing in the transition and very little still stops it. As this is a format based completely around having the most average or better matchups, Kingdra dominates, as the only things that really hinder it are losing power.

Beedrill didn't lose much in the long run, however, nothing really existed to give it power. All it really had was Rare Candy and Scoop Up Power at first. Now it has STS, Shaymin LX to buff its HP's, A resistance to two common powerhouses, one of which it will be weaking. (Granted, Ramparados will own it through its res..) and a very fire lacking metagame special thanks to Blastcat and Kingdra.

Pokemon G is to be questioned as of yet, as it is hardcore donk love. It has very little to be noted in the late game which really hinders it, but it is extremely powerful during the early game. Torterra will make itself present to stop the quick damage if necessary. I personally don't know if it really is T1 material myself, but the way everyone is hyping it, I dunno.

Blastcat doesn't have the strength and consistancy that Kingdra dominates with. it almost requires Dialga G Level X to keep itself safe, because if Ampharos does become a threat, Blast's entire deck is hindered by it. IMHO, it requires way too much set-up to be a high end contender. I'd say its even lucky to be sitting at T2.

Again on Machamp, its a great deck, don't get me wrong, It blows away Regigigas like thats his business, and it can do some wicked power to AMU and other deck, but Kingdra scared me out of continuing to play this deck. Machamp is not a Tier 1 deck simply because it can't keep up with Kingdra, or perhaps even Beedrill. We already know its matchup with Dusknoir is questionable too, and even if it gets gimped, do not expect to see it leaving format. T2 at best. I wouldn't doink it any lower than that either.

Ramparados is questionable atm. I've been able to get him out as early as T1, but as late as T3. Octo-Tutor is insane, but knowing when to play Bebe's and when to use the Excavators is really situational. IMHO, it loses to Kingdra because its hurting itself, and Kingdra is not only doing damage to him but also to the Bench. It goes through Beedrills res, but Beed has weak, Scoop ups, STS, and a ton of other things. With only a 50/50 at best against Beedrill and having an inferior matchup to Kingdra does not let this ancient annihilator get any higher than T2. Great matchup with Gigas though,thanks to one shotting the jerk all day for just one.

Torterra, I think it definitely will be seeing a comeback in play with the potential drop in Dusknoir play at States. I'd seen it a few times at CC's, but they didn't do spectacular, not even making cuts. It had unfavorable matchup's to Gigas, Dusknoir, and Champ, even if it could keep up with Kingdra. Seeing as how two of those may not be seeing amazing amounts of play, and there still is no solid Fire choice out there (Kingdra <3's Magz.), it just may come back.

Dusknoir: Too much to lose. Dusky gets shut down by Ampharos, Dialga G Level X, has a rocky matchup with Kingdra, has inevitable problems with Beedrill, sets up slowly, which makes it victim of G donk, increased counter-stadium love.. I just can't see the point of playing him after CC's.

AMU. highly possible. Level MAX makes it more viable, the potential removal of Dusknoir from meta, it has a solid matchup with Kingdra, barely even with Beedrill (If it sets up T2, its in trouble..), but it sets up well enough that it can match many of the solid decks out there, just because Dusknoir might be stepping down.

Other things to look for:

- Maybe a spike in Fire meta. If the grass types become overpowering to Kingdra (doubtable), we may see a spike.
- Ampharos.. I'm not set on it yet. It has too many unfavorable matchups atm.
- Obama, He'll be gimped, but I'll bet some people still have faith in it.
- Regigigas. I have no doubt in my mind some people will continue to play it even with Ramp + Champ running about. Its not like its really bad, it just loses a lot of steam to a lot of the more consistant decks. Beats the crap outta Beedrill too. (Ninja Mewtwo tech hi-yaaaah)
- Other amusing things that have been brought to my attention that I am going to keep on the down low for right now.
 
But you do realize that the lv.x gives your opponent an advantage too?
They can knock you out with something like an uxie...
And if you use strong willed i should have a warp saved up for the moment!

Dude, i think i know what im talkin about with Machamp. I went 8-1 and got first place at Citys in one of the most competitive places in the US.[NJ] but lets not turn this into a war about champ. I think that Champ is Equally as good as kingdra depending on how its played, and its better than Rampy.
 
^ I agree on it being better than Ramparados, but its matchup against Kingdra is still rough, and lets not turn this into a regional "who's better than who" fest here, please.

In terms of equal skill and if both deck lists are at their maximum capability, Kingdra beats Champ. There was a spike in Machamp play after I went 7-2 and 2nd place at a cities, and only one person (Austin Reed) made top cut with it there, while many other players who played Champ that day got owned (Myself and Dolezal included.) by the Dusknoir and Kingdra meta. (Top 2 was Kingdra Vs. Dusknoir IIRC)

It is better than Ramp, by far. I have both decks made and I heavily prefer Machamp still, but it is not T1 quality.
 
G pokemon is like an auto win if your running machamp, the same for Regi and AMU. Rampardos isn't amazing bcause it has bad late game power.

Umm not really. You need 3 heads to kill a toxicroak or 4 energy and croak 2 hits a champ. I was even thinking of teching in a lake boundary because with poison you can one shot a champ and champ still needs extream luck to kill a croak or just to sacrafice a champ lv.x. I've beaten champ many times in testing against champ with both amu and gigas. Plus diagla shuts fo champ lv.x which hurt it sort of. Gigas is a hard matchup but you keep forgeting that unown g turns teh amu matchup from a auto win to a near auto loss. Belive me. And toxicraok has a built in unown g. I don't think any smart champ player will tech in a diaga g.

Also what are you talking about no late game power v ramparardos. It 2 shots almost everything in the game. Sure it doesn't one shot it but how many things do one shot almsot everything in the game. Also if plus powers are run it's second attack can be used to take down all of thos 130 hp guys and you don't have to take any damage. Rampardos has more late game power than early game power.
 
Rampardos has more late game power than early game power.

Against a lot more high end decks, its getting gimped more than anything. Think of it this way, its a Beedrill deck with 20 more HP's, the ability to go through resistance, ad its a fighting type.

Problem is it has no way to save itself from Kingdra snipe, Kingdra can bounce back from KO's REALLY fast, Plus with Ramparados beating itself up, its putting itself closer to KO that much faster. Against Kingdra its a race. You do 80 to Kingdra, in essence, its doing 100 to you in addition to 20 to your bench. You kill off by either forcing plus power and Mold Breaker, which while it does reduce damage, you're still sitting at 100 HP's and Kingdra still KO's you by discarding.

So,in this situation you have

- A KO'd Kingdra
- A Now dead Ramparados.
- A now CLEAN Kingdra at 130 HP"s
- AND your next Ramparados which has to put itself at risk in order to do a LOT of damage, assuming two turns of Dragon Pump, so its already sitting at 40 HP's, another Hard Head putting it at 80 HP"s and the Kingdra at 80 HP's. Guess who's KO'ing you next turn?

In VERY short notice, Kingdra has already recovered from this, You're down two Ramparados,he's only down 1, and is not hindered by the fact that you have dead Fossils, which either requires wasting a Fossil Excavator to pull it back (One less tutor AND a wasted supporter), or putting a waste of a supporter (Marley's) into the deck.

Kingdra only needs Night Maintenance, or heck, with TST, even Suicune to pull them back into the game.

Ramparados does not have a late game. You lose 1-2 of them, its HARD to bounce back.

BTW, I'm using the Kingdra example as a reason it can't be T1. It has a lot of powerful matchups, but to be a high end deck, it needs 50/50 or better against Kingdra at the least. We don't know for certain what the other T1's will be.
 
Eveyone seems to have forgoten about Gigas, which is BDIF right now. For States meta predictions this is what I see as top tier:

Tier 1: Gigas, Pokemon G, Kingdra

Gigas is really dominant now and since the only thing that can hurt it next set is Rampardos it only makes since it'll stil be dominant. T1 Power lock will causse Rampardos problems. Pokemon G has the best support in the game at the moment. 3 Stadiums can work with them, 3 Great Tools which are all game changing, most versatile suppoerter too, along with all their support pokemon (Honcnkrow G, Dialga G X, and Skunktank G). Kingdra goes 50-50 with everything except Gigas and Tangrowth, onlt thing in new set that hurts him is Ampharos. Another reason those decks are solid is because they can all run Dialga G X without much of a problem(except Kingdra maybe).

Tier 2: Machamp, Rampardos, Dusknoir, Shaymin + something

Solid decks that can win. I haven't found what works best with Shaymin, but I'm pretty sure it'll at least be tier 2. Whether it be with Torterra, Tangrowth, Scizor, Beedrill or something else.

In question: AMU, Blastcatty, Ampharos

AMU will get a boost with Level Max, but will it be enough? Blastcatty has some questionable stuff, like match-up to Ampharos, his second attack is pretty limited, and Delcatty damages itself. Ampharos might be all hype, but highly unlikly IMO. If run right the deck can be devestating, but can hold up with Dialga G X being in format?

Well Pokemon has proven to me again thats its the best TCG. With all the possible decks being able to be played I can't wait for states.
 
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