Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Which Gengar Deck is Best?

I play 4-2-4 gengar, 1-0-1 machamp and 1-1-1 nidoqueen in my gengar list. I had a total of 29 pokemon in mine, but have since cut down to 28 with great results.
 
idahodarkhorsejustbelieve said:
ok ur calling metagross overrated? im calling nidqueen over rated.
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Oh noes!, You got me there.

have u played either deck?
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Yes.

i have not played mother gengar
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So, why are you saying it is over-rated then? Just cos I said that about your precious Metagross? Bit childish, no?

but i have played a metal gengar deck.
and u it can do as much as nidoqueen.
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So you have only played one, but you are going to compare them. OK.

ok maybe not the healing thing but look at it can hit the bench somthing ppl seem to for get about is an important part of any deck. with the release of gengar lvx which hit everyone that had damage on it.
thier for nidoqueen does not help it out as much.
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You are seriously planning to use Metagross as an attacker? You are putting Metal Energy in your deck and spending 3 turns powering it up when you already have a bench sniper in Gengar? Nidoqueen does 40 for 1 Psychic (which you run anyway) and 50+ for a Psychic and an Upper. Please don't claim that Metagross is a better attacking option than Nidoqueen. That's just silly.

in case u didnt know metagross attack hit the bench but it only hit the same type as the defending pokemon
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I did know, but cheers anyway.

know u poeple r only saying gengar useful for faiting spell. not the fact that it can do more then that also it has a free retreat coast so it not like ur going to leave gengat upthier to get ok buy a status or anything. it not like it gengar has a high retreat cost.
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Yep, I knew about the free retreat too. Please note that I didn't say Gengar was ONLY useful for Fainting Spell, just that Fainting Spell is the best thing about Gengar. Without it, I doubt it would see play. Even if you don't get a single heads with it, it still forces your opponent to waste turns and resources messing around with Crobats and Uxies instead of just KOing it with their main attacker. That is very disruptive and is what makes Gengat viable imo.

one last thing about what u call over rated card...
if u goback to br u will find that everyone deck has alot of the same type in it ok sp tool belt is a match up where u would not attack with metagros but u will find that everyone play the same type that in thier deck
im just saying
so dont call metagros overrated until u played it.
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OK, by now I'm tired of trying to make sense of your mangled text speak and poor grammar so I'll just repeat the point that Metagross will not work as an attacker in a Gengar deck. It's far too slow and its Energy needs are not compatible.
 
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I am sticking to my opinions that both are great, but maybe neither will work together, however I don't think I am the only one who thinks it is possible for Mother-Metal Gengar decks. Someone said that Charizard was playable above, my only question is to that person is, where do you come from seeing Charizard playable unless of course you mean the one from AoA which is a possibility but not the one from SV.
 
lmao talk ur smack about how i speack and what not baby mario
i really dont care what u have to say.
and metagros is a better attaker.
maybe u dont know how to play chest or something, but metagros well help u put ur oppentit into a check mate which is somthing nideoqueen cant do and bye putting in upper engerys u only in crease ir chance of drawing then and not the basic engery u need where as metagros does just 2 metal which u can fetch for.
or draw in to which will help out, know u forget gengar only need 2 engerys to to it 2 attack and ur telling me that after building up my gengars well not be focusing on building up my metaros so thier for metagros wont be up for 3 turns taking damage ok. once again matagros help out gengar lvx. and faiting spell is not the main reason why u used gengar.
the fact u can snipe and if ur able to lock thier supporters / trainers u can crush them with a big attack.
but mother gengar will be better then metagros when hgss come out i will agree on u with that bc know nidoqueen bc an t2 attacker
 
Reasons to use Nidoqueen
-Great attacker against Machamp, Flygon...[easy to get 3 energy on it while using one on Gengar]
-Heals while Gengar uses its free retreat to go to the bench. A couple turns later around 60-80 damage has been healed.
-Gets rid of Infernape 4s split bomb.
Reasons to use Metagross
Quick KOs
Reasons Not to use Metagross
90 HP on Gengar
Bad attack[needs 2 metal energy while you already need fighting energy for relicanth]
60 Hp Claydol and crobats.

Retreat is even so I did not mention that.
 
Nidoqueen is better.
Why?

Standard Flygon deck vs Gengar.

Flygon Power Swing for 70 (90 - 20) damage. No option for Gengar to heal.
Next turn, Uxie Psychic Restore for 20 damage, knockout without Fainting Spell.

Gengar is unable to hurt Flygon if its player is skilled and gets a decent start. Gengar may take 1-2 prizes but then it can't do anything, exspecially when Flygon runs Nidoqueen. So this is kind of autoloss against a good player.

Mother Gengar can't hurt Flygon either, but at least, Flygon can't KO it without triggering Faiting Spell or using some kind of weird trick. Most times, the only thing Flygon can do against a good Mother Gengar is stalling for deckout with Wind Erosion or trying to reach XHKOs with Flygon SW + Uxie.



btw last weekend I played against Metal Gengar with Garchomp. He took a lot of prizes before I finished my setup. I thought I got him when I had Ampharos and Nidoqueen set, but after all my Warp Points were used, he loaded his Gengar with 4 Energy and it was close to timeout. But he had Miasma Valley and Unown G in play, so I just took Relicanth and sniped his bench stuff because they had <= 60 HP thanks to Metagross. He was unable to KO Relicanth before it took 3 prizes.
 
idahodarkhorsejustbelieve said:
lmao talk ur smack about how i speack and what not baby mario
i really dont care what u have to say.
and metagros is a better attaker.
maybe u dont know how to play chest or something, but metagros well help u put ur oppentit into a check mate which is somthing nideoqueen cant do and bye putting in upper engerys u only in crease ir chance of drawing then and not the basic engery u need where as metagros does just 2 metal which u can fetch for.
or draw in to which will help out, know u forget gengar only need 2 engerys to to it 2 attack and ur telling me that after building up my gengars well not be focusing on building up my metaros so thier for metagros wont be up for 3 turns taking damage ok. once again matagros help out gengar lvx. and faiting spell is not the main reason why u used gengar.
the fact u can snipe and if ur able to lock thier supporters / trainers u can crush them with a big attack.
but mother gengar will be better then metagros when hgss come out i will agree on u with that bc know nidoqueen bc an t2 attacker
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I want to know how to play Chest :D

GeChamp, while it may be a strategiless mass of easy damage desiring junk, is still the best option for Gengar in my opinion. with all the easy scorable Kos off Take Out, Fainting Spell, Relicanth's attack and Shadow Room, for 1 energy is about as bad as Gyarados. Excet that you can hit the bench and not just sacrifical Crobat Gs.
 
idahodarkhorsejustbelieve said:
lmao talk ur smack about how i speack and what not baby mario
i really dont care what u have to say.
and metagros is a better attaker.
maybe u dont know how to play chest or something, but metagros well help u put ur oppentit into a check mate which is somthing nideoqueen cant do and bye putting in upper engerys u only in crease ir chance of drawing then and not the basic engery u need where as metagros does just 2 metal which u can fetch for.
or draw in to which will help out, know u forget gengar only need 2 engerys to to it 2 attack and ur telling me that after building up my gengars well not be focusing on building up my metaros so thier for metagros wont be up for 3 turns taking damage ok. once again matagros help out gengar lvx. and faiting spell is not the main reason why u used gengar.
the fact u can snipe and if ur able to lock thier supporters / trainers u can crush them with a big attack.
but mother gengar will be better then metagros when hgss come out i will agree on u with that bc know nidoqueen bc an t2 attacker
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I don't know whether to :lol: or :frown:

I do know that I also want to play chest AND be able to lock Supporters with Gengar.
 
idahodarkhorsejustbelieve said:
lmao talk ur smack about how i speack and what not baby mario
i really dont care what u have to say.
and metagros is a better attaker.
maybe u dont know how to play chest or something, but metagros well help u put ur oppentit into a check mate which is somthing nideoqueen cant do and bye putting in upper engerys u only in crease ir chance of drawing then and not the basic engery u need where as metagros does just 2 metal which u can fetch for.
or draw in to which will help out, know u forget gengar only need 2 engerys to to it 2 attack and ur telling me that after building up my gengars well not be focusing on building up my metaros so thier for metagros wont be up for 3 turns taking damage ok. once again matagros help out gengar lvx. and faiting spell is not the main reason why u used gengar.
the fact u can snipe and if ur able to lock thier supporters / trainers u can crush them with a big attack.
but mother gengar will be better then metagros when hgss come out i will agree on u with that bc know nidoqueen bc an t2 attacker
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You're right, Baby Mario doesn't know what he's talking about and his opinion doesn't matter. He's only had Worlds Invites the last 2 years, and we all know how easy those are to get :thumb:

Me and my brother ran Gengar for alot of last season, both getting 2nd at our States with it and my brother also got 2nd at Nationals with it. Metagross is bad in Gengar. I prefer techs like Alakazam over Nidoqueen, but Nidoqueen> Metagross all the way. If you want to run Metagross, run it with Empoleon MD. So what, Uxies and Claydol can be 1HKO'd? I can 1HKO them easily with Crobat G Drops/Cress X anyway. Besides by the time you get Gengar and Metagross set up, they've probably G'd their Claydol anyway.
 
nnaann said:
You're right, Baby Mario doesn't know what he's talking about and his opinion doesn't matter. He's only had Worlds Invites the last 2 years, and we all know how easy those are to get :thumb:

Me and my brother ran Gengar for alot of last season, both getting 2nd at our States with it and my brother also got 2nd at Nationals with it. Metagross is bad in Gengar. I prefer techs like Alakazam over Nidoqueen, but Nidoqueen> Metagross all the way. If you want to run Metagross, run it with Empoleon MD. So what, Uxies and Claydol can be 1HKO'd? I can 1HKO them easily with Crobat G Drops/Cress X anyway. Besides by the time you get Gengar and Metagross set up, they've probably G'd their Claydol anyway.
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True, however Metagross is used in other decks than just Empoleon. LOL.
 
I'd rather run Gengar / Nidoqueen rather than Gengar / Metagross.

Metagross is meant to bypass the Claydol issue with it being guarded, which is simply ridiculous - if you want to KO it, use Crobat or Relicanth. That's significantly less space.
 
ryanvergel said:
WHAT IS WITH 2-3 CLAYDOL!?

I hate when I see this line of pokemon. You realize it only increases your odds of opening with a Claydol in hand by about 10%? You really gave up another deck spot to increase your odds of opening with it by 10%? If you feared them getting knocked out- then you're better off playing a TSD or Pokemon Rescue, as that card can at least get back other pokemon. Why not run an extra Luxury Ball?

I see no logic in running a 2-3 Claydol. 10% better odds of opening with a card that itself depends on other cards to be used just does no warrant the extra spot. I find this a great example of F.P.S., or "Fancy Play Syndrome". A player thinks that by doing things in some sparkly, weird, different way that they actually gain an advantage merely from that fact.
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You do gain quite an advantage by playing a strange list - the best play is never the popular play. Look at Luxray toolbox, Gyarados, RayBees, Luxchomp, and Toxicroak/ Scizor. The times they did the best were when thay had yet to be played heavily. Even with a popular deck, it's always been a smart decision to take out the "safe" play and put in a risky trick. Even if you don't actually play any better, playing fancy makes you feel better. :D
 
lol wow and why would i care if he won invite to the past 2 world
congrats for that that great but hear the thing the past is the past so that a great accomisment and stuff but that does really matter if u got an invit to worlds in the past all that really matters is what happends this year not last year or any year befor that.
and nnann this is coming from u which show me baby mario get that. and u dont.
 
idahodarkhorsejustbelieve said:
lol wow and why would i care if he won invite to the past 2 world
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I agree. That's why I explained my argument carefully.

congrats for that that great but hear the thing the past is the past so that a great accomisment and stuff but that does really matter if u got an invit to worlds in the past all that really matters is what happends this year not last year or any year befor that.
and nnann this is coming from u which show me baby mario get that. and u dont.
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I won a BR the other week, if that helps restore my shattered credibility.
 
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