Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Arceus (the pokemon)

Sabett

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At first glance Arceus seems be a silly kind of archetype, and not that I've done any testing on it, the theory starts sounding better the more I think about. With the colorless Arceus, Beginning Door and Roseanne's this begins sounding more and more viable. Like What I imagine this deck to be is a little like the eevee deck (being able to hit all weaknesses), but all basics, however the main problem I see, is that you can't run Uxie, and you can't run Claydol. Now it's true you don't have to set up the colorless Arceus, but think about the stadium Arceus got as well. With that stadium not only would you not have to worry about attaching for the turn, but when your initial Arceus dies, you can simply switch all the energy to the new Arceus and he's ready to go. Not to mention the Lv.X that lets you use any of the Arceus attacks on any kind of pokemon type, that thing is ridiculous, plues with the expert belt, all those attacks become absolutely amazing.

Not only will you be able to hit your opponent's weakness no matter what your opponents playing, all the Arceuses have attacks that have built in techs. The grass Arceus stops spread (not that spreads a problem) The water type lets you always get that damage through, the dark one lets you get back up in prizes with your expert belt Arceus gets KO'd.

What I'm trying to say here is to take a second look at these cards, because while I don't think it'll be hangning in any top spots soon, I think it's definetely something to talk about.
 
I haven't seen all the scans yet.

Does an Arceus deck have any answers to Mewtwo LV X?
 
Problem is this...

Inconsistencies:
The deck can only rely on great ball/rosy/draw supporter (cynthia, POV, volkner, felicity)
Relies on getting each individual Arceus out. What do you do with bad prize locks? Can't run Azelf either.
Low Damage output. Highest hitting attacks are 80 damage and either send 3 energy to the lost zone or you must be behind on prizes, which means you won't be taking the last prize with it.
x2 Weakness combined with low HP

Metagame:
Machamp ko's the entire deck for one energy
Flygon Power Swings through the entire deck easily
Can't bypass Fainting Spell
Kingdra/Beedrill/SP all swarm it from T2
Mewtwo X stops it instantly

Availability:
These are all secret rares, which makes them hard to obtain all the right copies.
Have to use EACH Arceus.
Will need multiple copies of each Arceus.
 
I haven't seen all the scans yet.

Does an Arceus deck have any answers to Mewtwo LV X?
Yes, I believe that the Water Arceus has an attack that can bypass any Poke-bodies and such.

@Austino: You pretty much hit all the nails on the head. I especially agree with the availability part of it, it might be hard to obtain them all seeing as they are secret rares.
 
There's not really an answer to Mewtwo at all, the colorless guy can snipe, but thats pretty much it.

Scizor used to fine running on a straight trainer support.
There are 9 kinds of arceus, you should be running all of them, and you can run as many as you like. Not to mention Beginning door.
A lot of these attacks seem absolutely fine with Expert Belt on seem absolutely fine. The colorless guys attack isn't the only good one they have.

Machamp KO's an Arcues and then you unkown G... no machamp doesn't even KO the first guy you unknown G first.
If you see Flygon Lv.X coming up...why wouldn't you use the metal Arceus's attack?
Lots of decks have problems dealing with fainting spell, besides you can run warp point and then snipe Gengar.
And Arceues begins attacking on t2 as well... this archetype swarms way more than beedrill.
You only have to have 6 Arceus out for one thing that you do, and if that thing isn't worth it then don't do it. Also once again, why wouldn't you use the water Arceues attack?

I was wrong before, you can run other pokemon, using Ripple Swell is simply a way to play the deck, not a nessecity.

Availability has nothing to do with how viable an archetype is, the dollar signs of cards have nothing to do with how strong a card is. I know it might be hard to get together, but AMU wasn't discredited for running 3 Lv.X all of which are worth money, and shouldn't stop this deck from being talked about
 
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^If you snipe a Gengar on the bench it still gets FS.

As for the Arceus guys, I think it'll be a fun deck. That's it. I don't see it going anywhere in the meta for reasons mostly stated above (machamp, flygon, gengar) all have a way to just demolish the deck. GL to anyone who is willing to try it though!
 
^If you snipe a Gengar on the bench it still gets FS.

As for the Arceus guys, I think it'll be a fun deck. That's it. I don't see it going anywhere in the meta for reasons mostly stated above (machamp, flygon, gengar) all have a way to just demolish the deck. GL to anyone who is willing to try it though!
Alright you got me on gengar, but that's still just a flip, not that that's a viable way to deal with Gengar. Machamp is dealt with just as easily as SP decks deal with him, unkown G. If you see a machop why are you going to fill up your bench with unknown G on nothing?...
Also this deck seems pretty pimp against Flygon TBH, Metal Barrier seems like a good way to deal with Lv.Xs.
 
Problem is this...

Inconsistencies:
The deck can only rely on great ball/rosy/draw supporter (cynthia, POV, volkner, felicity)
Relies on getting each individual Arceus out. What do you do with bad prize locks? Can't run Azelf either.
Low Damage output. Highest hitting attacks are 80 damage and either send 3 energy to the lost zone or you must be behind on prizes, which means you won't be taking the last prize with it.
x2 Weakness combined with low HP

Metagame:
Machamp ko's the entire deck for one energy
Flygon Power Swings through the entire deck easily
Can't bypass Fainting Spell
Kingdra/Beedrill/SP all swarm it from T2
Mewtwo X stops it instantly

Availability:
These are all secret rares, which makes them hard to obtain all the right copies.
Have to use EACH Arceus.
Will need multiple copies of each Arceus.

Pretty spot on to me.
 
So, I free retreat Flygon and use one of my techs instead. I have never seen a pure Flygon deck that wasn't Flytrap. Retreat Flygon X to a normal Flygon, GardevoirPT energy to to the new active, and Power Swing for pain? That's just my particular build though.

This deck would be loads of fun, though. I've been looking forward to building an Arceus deck sheerly for fun play at League.
 
There's not really an answer to Mewtwo at all, the colorless guy can snipe, but thats pretty much it.

Scizor used to fine running on a straight trainer support.
There are 9 kinds of arceus, you should be running all of them, and you can run as many as you like. Not to mention Beginning door.
A lot of these attacks seem absolutely fine with Expert Belt on seem absolutely fine. The colorless guys attack isn't the only good one they have.

Machamp KO's an Arcues and then you unkown G... no machamp doesn't even KO the first guy you unknown G first.
If you see Flygon Lv.X coming up...why wouldn't you use the metal Arceus's attack?
Lots of decks have problems dealing with fainting spell, besides you can run warp point and then snipe Gengar.
And Arceues begins attacking on t2 as well... this archetype swarms way more than beedrill.
You only have to have 6 Arceus out for one thing that you do, and if that thing isn't worth it then don't do it. Also once again, why wouldn't you use the water Arceues attack?

I was wrong before, you can run other pokemon, using Ripple Swell is simply a way to play the deck, not a nessecity.

Availability has nothing to do with how viable an archetype is, the dollar signs of cards have nothing to do with how strong a card is. I know it might be hard to get together, but AMU wasn't discredited for running 3 Lv.X all of which are worth money, and shouldn't stop this deck from being talked about

Now you're just being ridiculous. One Unown G isn't enough to stop Machamp. If you are wasting time searching it out, then you aren't having all of your Arceus out in time to do damage to machamp. Machamp also has hurricane punch and several arceus have Fighting weakness.

Scizor Cherrim ran on a trainer engine, yes, but it also had A) Low attack costs B) Ability to become invulnerable C) Same type (one energy type for whole deck) and D) wasn't basic pokemon

How are you going to get 6 different Arceus in play by T2? On what kind of draw power? If you play a rosy, that means no draw supporter. How are you going to have each individual Arceus, the stadium, and use the power up attack resulting in a maximum of 80 damage by T2? You would have to have everything out by T1 to power up and attack T2, which isn't happening.

Flygon doesn't have to level up to be effective. Power Swing and 120 HP hurt Arceus tremendously. Not to mention Arceus X is the same type as the Arceus under it, so you'll have to be attacking with the colorless one to be doing any real damage and you only have one attack that slows down Fly X. Flygon will also take each stadium you put down and gain immunity from it the next trun, lol.

Expert belt on pokemon with low HP is a bad idea unless you're wanting the round to be over even quicker. It's sad that Arcues needs Expert Belt just to have decent damage output.

EDIT: One more thing, Beedrill swarms much easier and produces MUCH better damage output. 4 beedrill for 120 and they search themselves out vs 6 different arceus that max out at 80 damage. Do the math and look at what is more effective. Beedrill also has the benefit of being same type and allows room for claydol and ONE energy attacks.
 
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2 Unown G isn't always enough for Machamp. They can KO one by Leveling up + Hurricane Punch, and then just Warp Point + Cyclone Energy + Metagross LA + Luxray lv.X, etc for the last 5 prizes with Take Down.
 
Pretty spot on to me.
What are you talking about? I took apart the majority of that post.

I forgot to Adress the last part of the "inconsistencies" part though. The lv.X has no weakeness...


So, I free retreat Flygon and use one of my techs instead. I have never seen a pure Flygon deck that wasn't Flytrap. Retreat Flygon X to a normal Flygon, GardevoirPT energy to to the new active, and Power Swing for pain? That's just my particular build though.

This deck would be loads of fun, though. I've been looking forward to building an Arceus deck sheerly for fun play at League.
That takes so much more setup than it does for Arceus... Arceus is absolutely t3 at the latest. There are so many more things in the arceus deck making it consistent than flygon, I'm talking about having a bunch of basics out, you're talking about a stage 2 Lv.X, and two other stage 2s. Seems like an unfair comparison to me.


EDIT: hold on I'm responding to Austino....
 
That takes so much more setup than it does for Arceus... Arceus is absolutely t3 at the latest. There are so many more things in the arceus deck making it consistent than flygon, I'm talking about having a bunch of basics out, you're talking about a stage 2 Lv.X, and two other stage 2s. Seems like an unfair comparison to me.

I suppose I should wait for your response to Austino, but I would like to mention that I've run FGD for a few days now (edit: Not that it makes me an expert, but). I never come out swinging with a Level X. Ever. You KO something, I happily run in with an Upper'd Flygon and slam your active for an easy KO, then attach an energy next turn and continue my sweep. Go ahead and knock out Flygon if you can - I'll then destroy you with Gardevoir X, since you're completely made of 80 HP Pokemon. Any smart player will Heavenly Spear my Claydol right? So I now Bring Down anything with less than 120 HP...

Even if you let me keep Claydol I still can Bring Down almost any unboosted Arceus.
 
heavenly spear is a terrible attack though...80 damage and losing 3 energy to the lost zone is bad. So many pokemon can do 80 snipe or more without losing three to the lost zone. Empoleon X can do it for 3 without losing them, Magmortar does 100 snipe at the expense of two in the discard, and palkia G does it for three at the expense of two.
 
^ you forgot Garchomp C X

@Sabett: You don't have to Level up Flygon, You can just swing hard.

Also what does the deck do against Dusknoir (dark palm) and Palkia G X (lost Cyclone)

My opinion still stands, I don't see the deckbeing competitive.
 
Now you're just being ridiculous. One Unown G isn't enough to stop Machamp. If you are wasting time searching it out, then you aren't having all of your Arceus out in time to do damage to machamp. Machamp also has hurricane punch and several arceus have Fighting weakness.

Scizor Cherrim ran on a trainer engine, yes, but it also had A) Low attack costs B) Ability to become invulnerable C) Same type (one energy type for whole deck) and D) wasn't basic pokemon

How are you going to get 6 different Arceus in play by T2? On what kind of draw power? If you play a rosy, that means no draw supporter. How are you going to have each individual Arceus, the stadium, and use the power up attack resulting in a maximum of 80 damage by T2? You would have to have everything out by T1 to power up and attack T2, which isn't happening.

Flygon doesn't have to level up to be effective. Power Swing and 120 HP hurt Arceus tremendously. Not to mention Arceus X is the same type as the Arceus under it, so you'll have to be attacking with the colorless one to be doing any real damage and you only have one attack that slows down Fly X. Flygon will also take each stadium you put down and gain immunity from it the next trun, lol.

Expert belt on pokemon with low HP is a bad idea unless you're wanting the round to be over even quicker. It's sad that Arcues needs Expert Belt just to have decent damage output.

EDIT: One more thing, Beedrill swarms much easier and produces MUCH better damage output. 4 beedrill for 120 and they search themselves out vs 6 different arceus that max out at 80 damage. Do the math and look at what is more effective. Beedrill also has the benefit of being same type and allows room for claydol and ONE energy attacks.
The Lv.X Arceus has no weakness, and we can run more than one Unknown G....

Alright well, not only has the quality of supporters increased since Scizor was around, this deck easily gets around the 3 and 2 energy costs, has answers to many different things. And with Roseanne's and Ripple swell, energy color sounds like the last problem on this decks mind.

Now you're the one being ridiculous, Beginning Door sounds like the first thing I put in here. Also Call energy seems pretty good as well. And you keep on saying Each individual Arceus, there are 9 Arceus, not 6. Having 6 basics out sounds pretty easy, even more so because of the fact that we can run more than 4....

Once again Arceus Lv.X doesn't have a weakness, If for some reason I'm not OHKOing you with Arceus Lv.X I'm doing Metal Barrier for 80. You also keep presenting things into the worst situation it can be for the Arceus player. Why are we putting a stadium out for Flygon to eat up? Seems bad since We can just use Ripple Swell..

Well 140hp isn't exactly low....and Arceues should more than often be hitting weakness, you make a good point though. Maybe it doesn't need expert belt.

I've already stated why getting different colors isn't a problem for Arceus. And Arceus should be hitting weakness more often than not, so 80 is one of the lower ends of damage you should actually be doing.

I suppose I should wait for your response to Austino, but I would like to mention that I've run FGD for a few days now (edit: Not that it makes me an expert, but). I never come out swinging with a Level X. Ever. You KO something, I happily run in with an Upper'd Flygon and slam your active for an easy KO, then attach an energy next turn and continue my sweep. Go ahead and knock out Flygon if you can - I'll then destroy you with Gardevoir X, since you're completely made of 80 HP Pokemon. Any smart player will Heavenly Spear my Claydol right? So I now Bring Down anything with less than 120 HP...

Even if you let me keep Claydol I still can Bring Down almost any unboosted Arceus.
Alright that doesn't mean I don't see Flygon Lv.X coming, you also mentioned attaching to flygon next turn...so that means you planned on KOing the Lv.X with Sand wall? Seems bad, Arceus Lv.X has no weakness... Austino has already pointed out that Heavenly spear is a last ditch effort.


heavenly spear is a terrible attack though...80 damage and losing 3 energy to the lost zone is bad. So many pokemon can do 80 snipe or more without losing three to the lost zone. Empoleon X can do it for 3 without losing them, Magmortar does 100 snipe at the expense of two in the discard, and palkia G does it for three at the expense of two.
And what do any of those pokemon have anything to do with this deck? Comparing this to Empoleon or Magmortar is like comparing apples to oranges.



^ you forgot Garchomp C X

@Sabett: You don't have to Level up Flygon, You can just swing hard.

Also what does the deck do against Dusknoir (dark palm) and Palkia G X (lost Cyclone)

My opinion still stands, I don't see the deckbeing competitive.
Allright then I KO Flygon in 2 hits, and this deck sounds a lot more viable than things that are being played.
 
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