Public Announcement: STRATEGY does NOT = BuildMeAList :/
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grassmaster239
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This isn't really a good example. You have to remember that not everyone can afford to pay $60-80 for 1 card. One reason I don't post on the deck threads is because people reject almost every you offer them, or when you tell them why a card isn't needed, they always think it is needed and you can't help them. As for netdecking, I don't care if someone tries to netdeck me, my decks are made for me to play. I never play a deck the way it is ment, even meta I put some twist on. I make lists for a friend of mine from tme to time, and he changes what he doesn't like, but thats about it
Kayle
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This has never surprised me about the gym - this is a game where many of the players are very young, and young people tend to be... illogical. They don't like hearing they're bad at things and they don't like taking advice. On the internet we're not... warned, per se, about their age (and the fact that many children are very eloquent in this day and age is no help!). We figure that anyone posting here should have the maturity to take "a man's advice", even if that advice is often more strongly worded than it should be for ANYONE.
Seniors and younger Masters are often very stubborn and it doesn't take long for them to get the feeling that they know what they're talking about when they really don't. This isn't something I think we can fix, but I wish there was some way to get around it and teach this senior that we really, really do know what we are talking about, and we really are just trying to help.
See Hippowdon_Savesand imo. He's clever and out-of-the-box, and has some kind of cool ideas sometimes.
Personally, I NEVER stop at "That won't work" in my mind, even if I'm absolutely certain of an idea's inviability. I take several moments to wonder what might happen if it WAS viable: what would need to change, what would IT change, etc... I think it's good practice.
No, I'm not new, and I would like to think that I'm actually a pretty good player, but I have no way to back that up in terms of accomplishments, and I know there are many people out there that are much more versed and accomplished than I am, people I can learn from.
Melee Mewtwo
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I do not quite agree with this. People have personal preferences to what they like about a card based on how they play. For example, I know some preferred to use the DP Machop over the SF one because they valued the easy 20 damage more than the lower retreat (and vice versa). Now I do see how it can become annoying, such as when someone chooses one Stage 1 in their Stage 2 line over the other because of some 3 energy attack that can deal more damage than other option even though it has 20 less HP and takes more energy to retreat. Some people try to be unique and don't like using commonly played cards. Trying new things isn't a bad thing (Don't forget what sort of list just won Worlds). Once again, I believe there is a line between somebody just having bad experiences with said card or tired of seeing it, and those, like R A mentioned, who are just trying to show off their list. Lastly, cost is probably the best reason not to run something. No matter how useful a card might be, if it is beyond someone's funding they can not help it. Sure, you can borrow some cards, but I doubt many people are willing to lend their Luxrays and Uxies. To sum it all up, I disagree with your point that rejection is bad. It is perfectly permissible... up to a certain point. There is a difference between rejecting advice because of play-style preferences and completely ignoring everything somebody has said because the thread was created for the wrong reasons. (Namely, to show off)
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Hatter™
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This post is why people don't like Pokegym:
Which basically says:
"I won with this deck.. BUT I am not going to help you.. just felt like posting to let you know that I am amazing with the deck.. and everyone else is dumb.. they have no idea what they are talking about."
We should get new deck mods ><'
Which basically says:
"I won with this deck.. BUT I am not going to help you.. just felt like posting to let you know that I am amazing with the deck.. and everyone else is dumb.. they have no idea what they are talking about."
We should get new deck mods ><'
grassmaster239
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I dont think the mods don't do what they are supposed to do at times. There have been threads with pages of nonstop flaming and what do the mods do? Nothing. Eventually they stop it, but after pages. Not sure if anyone remembers the old darkrai article someone wrote but it is a prime example.
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baby mario
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That article didn't get slated because it was a Darkrai list, or because it was non-meta. It got slated because it was a poor Darkrai list and because the author made ridiculous claims about how good it was.
I really believe that the policy on front page articles needs to be tightened up. I got nothing against non-meta decks being posted there, but deck articles should really be all about excellent lists that are thoroughly playtested and have realistic match ups. That's like the shop window of the site, and it needs to be high quality.
For a while now, it seems that blatantly sub-standard lists can get posted if the author simply tries hard enough to make it look like an article (with subheadings and image links). THAT's what leads to flame wars . . . a bad list gets posted, people point out the obvious flaws, the author and his mates get defensive. Meanwhile, PokeGym looks like it endorses bad advice on its front page. That discourages both new players AND 'good' players and hurts PokeGym's rep.
I know that PokeGym can only post what is submitted, but to be honest, I think that some of the things that lead to problems should have been corrected at the editing stage (like obvious flaws in the list and biased match ups), and that there are some submissions that should have been outright rejected.
When it comes to the Gym's reputation, bad articles are a lot worse than no articles at all.
Vegeta ss4
Iron Chef Leader
Here are my thoughts...
As Hatter said, everything you see on the gym you definitly need to take with a grain of salt. People post some very ridiculous things on this site.
Over-Modding, this is the worst thing about this site. I know its a kids site which is another reason players never affiliate themselves with the gym. Just yesterday I received an infraction for complimenting a thread because I liked it. Reason?...off topic, yet 40% of the posts were off-topic...interesting how I get an infraction. Im used to infractions, I speak my mind, sucks for everyone else. This is why I propose the following...
Like the PTOS have their own section of the gym they are allowed in, us adult players need our own section. We can easily verify age, so this is something that should be done.
Also...I dislike the gym because of the terrible decks being put at front page. Have legit lists, this will make the gym look more valid.
As Hatter said, everything you see on the gym you definitly need to take with a grain of salt. People post some very ridiculous things on this site.
Over-Modding, this is the worst thing about this site. I know its a kids site which is another reason players never affiliate themselves with the gym. Just yesterday I received an infraction for complimenting a thread because I liked it. Reason?...off topic, yet 40% of the posts were off-topic...interesting how I get an infraction. Im used to infractions, I speak my mind, sucks for everyone else. This is why I propose the following...
Like the PTOS have their own section of the gym they are allowed in, us adult players need our own section. We can easily verify age, so this is something that should be done.
Also...I dislike the gym because of the terrible decks being put at front page. Have legit lists, this will make the gym look more valid.
grassmaster239
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I know why it was flames. Just wanted an example.
Rogue Archetype
Moderator <br> Contest Host
Respect to that.
To be honest, there are weeks when a couple of days goes by and I haven't read any threads on the forum. Things come up, family takes presedence, times get hard ... etc...
A message board just needs a couple of days to run amuck. Somebody tosses a bone and someone else cathes and RUNs. Then, you log in and and, sure 'nough, there's like an out-of-control 4 page flame fest thread. Yeah... it happens and I'll be the first to admit that a few threads have caught fire before I've even noticed. That's why there's more than 1 mod on each forum and a report post feature on every post. If we don't catch it, just hit the annonymous reporting button and give us a head's up so it doesn't get too deep.
Not a single Mod on this "over-modded site" would allow a flame fest thread to continue. I'm sure everyone is aware of that.
So, the short answer is, with hundreds of threads going on each day, a couple WILL slip through the cracks. As a site member, you have the opportunity to help keep the forums clean :smile:
Consider this...
1. Noone here wants to read threads ALL the time. MODs are people too. Somedays, you'd rather be playing a computer game (or playing pokemon!) rather than combing through threads. Some days, you just don't log on. That's true about everyone here.
2. If people wouldn't flame, there'd be no flame fest. Sometimes, it's like people blame THE MODS for other people's actions. It's like "they've gotten out of control in here. SEE MODS! You're useless!" I feel like typing "Man, nobody told that dude to say all of that!" But, that wouldn't be modeling maturity :biggrin:
Where YOU been man??? Wow, a blast from the past right there!
Thanks for dropping by.
I can definately agree that a front page deck feature should be a reveal of an AMAZING format Tier 1 deck. That's giving people insight into the inner-workings of what's hot on the circuit. You don't put someone who's never won a Poker event on the cover of a Nationally distributed Poker magazine. You don't put a 2nd string QB on the cover of SPorts Illustrated. So, why put a deck that won't even top cut on the front page of what's supposed to be THE Pokemon TCG resource website? Right?
I feel you man.
As far as the "I speak my mind." Well, that's a sticky wicket. Thanks to shows like Jerry Springer, people have lost the concept of prudence, tact, and respect. There are many ways to say what you need to say.
FYI - I haven't even looked at the thread you're referring to I'm just speaking to the "I'm speaking my mind" mindset. Some people got it twisted. They roll with the rebellious approach and cross the line with that "speakin' my mind" thing without consideration to time/place.
Nice to see your name on a PokeGym screen again though man!
Thanks for dropping in.
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Vegeta ss4
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I stop by from time to time
Yeah, I don't care if the deck is even bad tbh. If it is consistant, it works for me. Id rather see legit decks though.
Yeah, I don't care if the deck is even bad tbh. If it is consistant, it works for me. Id rather see legit decks though.
EeveeLover
Member Services Administrator
Just to ask a question, you know - before any Mods get flammed for over Modding the site, what do the comments regarding Mods or the Moderation of this site have to do with the topic at hand?
Off topic much guys??
Off topic much guys??
nnaann
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If we had less posts like this, then this thread might never have needed to go off topic :tongue:.
This kind of highlights one of my problems. This post is nothing personal, because I know you're just doing your job, but it feels like the Pokegym is too restricted a lot of the time. I'd guess a big part of the Pokegym is helping new players into the Pokemon community, but it can give a confrontation feel to the website (especially with all the Pokemon 'debates') and put people off posting. The best way that this website can be improved to have more quality and helpful posts is to get the older and more experienced players posting again, instead of just moving onto other forums like Heytrainer. The only way that can ever happen is to listen to everyone's feedback and use it to make this website better for everyone.
Who cares if we're going off topic? It's all about the bigger picture here.
The discussion is how to improve the Gym, along with why people don't come to the gym very often/aren't proud of the gym. One reason that has been said is because the site is over moderated/mods to strick. Which I feel is a valuable argument, now I don't think the gym should be as laxed as kettler site after all we have his site for that. But a subforum or something where we could be a bit more PG13 would be nice. Personally I think the question/discussion is right on topic.
TheGeneral
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Because those mods are what help make this site a joke
prodigal_fanboy
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I don't think there's been ONE guy who offered up his/her PokeGym name with enthusiasm; they're all embarrased to say they post here (like it's BAD or something
Teehee, I do, but only because I'm snarky.
That said, MR. Washington, you raise a great point.
Here's my advice.
Stickies for top-tier decks works well, however, it has some issues. Again, people can spam it with crap, and it's tough to decide who gets to be OP. You want someone who's done well with the deck, and can post a solid list and a few criticisms/nuggets of wisdom, but you don't want to place the workload of an article on them (because then it becomes more of who's willing to put in the effort on an article, and we've all seen what happened to those articles).
The other issue is determining what gets a sticky. Due to the "burst" nature of the POP season, there is a lull where people speculate with unproven decks, or old archetypes that are purportedly good still have momentum that doesn't die out until results come in.
How will you decide what to sticky prior to the first tournament results pouring in? That's a tough debate to have. No one has perfect accuracy with predicting the meta.
Rogue Archetype
Moderator <br> Contest Host
Yep. That's what happens... a lot. I'm seeing it in multiple forums. People want to be recognized; some by all means necessary.
New Mods? Maybe that's extreme right now. Maybe there just needs to be more discussions so we can "GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!" :tongue:
Thanks for the drop.
Whoa. I know you felt good sorta "stickin' it to the man" right there. But, that's like a gateway drug comment toward harsher disrespect.
It looks like your buttons got pushed there.
This is a thread I started. Out of respect for what I'm tryin' to do, let's take a slightly less confrontational approach? aiight man?
DO tell me what's up though! But, that comment wasn't intended to manifest any sort of improvment. It's just kinda you beatin' your chest and retaliating.
People do care about this site. (just look a the page views and number of responses).
It's like an old car in the driveway. You want to see it fixed up and on the road again, but ya don't want to admit it's your car until it's all fixed up.
You care too. That's why you're in here and why you post on this site.
I don't want this turning into an US vs YOU sort of thing man. THen, NOBODY wins because, in reality, it's US AND YOU or there is nothing at all.
RA, you have my respect, because your willing to listen to ideas and to discuss issue with the community openly. But to be honest until the gym wants to get serious about implementing changes to improve the gym there isn't much we can do.
Secondly I think the mods are just as responsible as the we vrs them attitude as posters are.
Secondly I think the mods are just as responsible as the we vrs them attitude as posters are.
Vegeta ss4
Iron Chef Leader
Yeah, a subforum is what I was talking about.
But we HAVE to have an age verification. 8 would like to up the age to atleast 16, cuz let's be honest. What 16 year old doesn't use foul launguage and speaks like an adult, let's you some common sense on that one.
Weird how Jay and I always agree, on pretty much everything
But we HAVE to have an age verification. 8 would like to up the age to atleast 16, cuz let's be honest. What 16 year old doesn't use foul launguage and speaks like an adult, let's you some common sense on that one.
Weird how Jay and I always agree, on pretty much everything
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