Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

"Declumping" a Deck

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Anyone ever hear someone say they are "declumping" their deck? You see them player a Pokemon Collector, and they start adjusting the order of their cards in their deck not to organize and look through it, but rather to spread their Pokemon, Energy & Trainers out in a more even manner. I've asked people what they were doing when I've seen this, and I laugh at some of the responses I've gotten:

"I am randomizing my deck."

"I'm unclumping my energy cards."

"I had 3 Rare Candy next to each other - that's not random."

Newsflash: A random deck should look like nothing. When you are "declumping" a deck, you are always doing at least one of the following:

1) Cheating
2) Wasting Time

But how is it cheating? I had 4 energy cards next to each other! That's not random!

What do you mean it isn't random? Of course it is. The energies in your deck will by probability sometimes end up next to other energy cards. Pokémon will be next to other Pokémon, trainers next to other trainers. Yes, even the same name card will be next to itself sometimes.

People who do this usually do a very brief shuffle afterwards - they are happy with the new order their cards are in and they attempt to maintain that order by not shuffling thoroughly. Some players will argue that it doesn't matter if they are "Declumping" their deck, since they shuffle anyway. Well, the truth is 9 out of 10 times that player isn't shuffling his deck enough afterwards to randomize it. Midgame shuffles are rarely long enough to truly randomize a deck. Some players may indeed shuffle long enough to randomize the deck after they "declump" it, in which case they are simply...

Wasting Time!

If you shuffle well enough, your energy cards might very well end up back together. Or they might not. Ideally, when you shuffle your deck, every single card in your deck should have an equal chance of being next to any other single card. That is the purpose of shuffling. There was no point in moving those 3 Rare Candy apart from each other if you are going to shuffle thoroughly afterward anyway; those Rare Candy can be anywhere in your deck after a sufficient shuffle.

Another very annoying thing I'll see at tournaments is someone shuffling their deck before a game...and then as they prepare to offer their deck to be cut, they pick it up and start looking through it! If they are satisfied with how their trainers, energy & Pokemon were distributed, they do a few quick shuffles and offer you to cut! This is cheating! Once you pick up your deck and look at it, consider the deck unrandomized. All your previous shuffles are now negated.

The sad part is, many players (especially younger ones) who do these things do not even realize what they are doing is wrong. I'm here to tell you they are. When setting up, shuffle your deck. Don't pick it up and look at it. Offer to cut. When you go through your deck for a search, don't spread your cards out in a desired order - simply shuffle well enough so that those cards end up in an order that you could not possibly predict!
 
Yugioh is famous for that.

I think its a waste of time unless its a deck they just built though.
 
I agree, although I find it annoying when the same card is next to each other. But, if you are separating then that's like stacking your deck I guess. I don't think that people shuffle enough, and that could change. Pokemon is supposed to take time, so take the time to randomize your deck like it's supposed to be.
 
I dont really mind this tbh, I can see why it could be considered cheating but if an1 would do it it would probably make for more legit games.
 
Have had this happen a few times, I find it silly and it normally just makes me smile. As long as the opponent shuffles afterwards and offers me the opportunity to cut I am not that bothered by it.

If it makes them think they have more chance of drawing something, or it makes there deck more "random" so be it, I would rather just focus on the game at hand then how my deck is stacked.
 
Just make sure that as your shuffling, the cards are right side up, so the judges won't accuse you of cheating.
 
So Jason, I am curious.

Let's say before the game starts, "setup" I am "declumping" my deck. Then I shuffle it well enough and hand it to you to shuffle/cut. Would this be a problem? I normally do this at tournaments.
 
Anyone who's done any programming can tell you that:

Random =/= Even Distribution of Objects
 
So Jason, I am curious.

Let's say before the game starts, "setup" I am "declumping" my deck. Then I shuffle it well enough and hand it to you to shuffle/cut. Would this be a problem? I normally do this at tournaments.

Spend this time shuffling instead.
 
I am under the impression people can shuffle however they want as long as the opponent suffles the deck aftwewards. If they want to "de-clump", so be it.
 
I don't see the problem with it. If you are not content with the level of randomization, just shuffle their deck.

As for saying its cheating...well, like I said, you can randomize it. And:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=155886

Not only has it been ruled on here on the gym, but its in the compendium. Disagreeing with a rule does not constitute your opponent cheating.
 
My question is when you're in a tournament and the deck is all stuck together from sweat, how would you "declump" the deck? It's really hard to tell how many cards are stuck together from the back. What difference does it make if the deck is cut afterwards? I've had an opponent shuffle my deck instead of cutting it. So is it a problem if I for example had 4 Sage's Training stuck together and spread them apart in my deck before I shuffle and then my opponent shuffles? It would be worse if the cards stay clumped like you mentioned with Rare Candy.
 
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I ask my opponent if they mind whether or not I declump my deck. If they don't want me to do it, I won't proceed to make sure 3 rare candies and 3 typhlosions are together. If they don't mind, I'll look through the deck 1 time, and if cards are too clumped together, I'll pile shuffle 1 more time.

I'm sorry Jason, but I just don't see the problem. If a pokemon player gets caught cheating, they get severely punished for it. I don't think declumping is a waste of time, but that's just me.
 
First of all it's not cheating, as long as you shuffle thoroughly (as deemed by the judge).
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I agree with mostly everything Jason said, just not the third to last paragraph, unless declumping can be part of the shuffle before you shuffle thoroughly. I think marked cards and purposely sticking cards together or declumping a deck in the middle of a game to stall would be a bigger issue. Whether Energy or Rare Candy is stuck together or not is arbitrary if you shuffle afterwards. If it really is a waste of time it should not be a problem.
 
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ever heard of Poker? black jack?

I knew of people with poker decks who could shuffle the deck and then draw a royal flush as easily as anything.

Its not out of the question for players to do this in any game and will even go as far to do so in anticipation of your opponent cutting your deck where thats accounted for in the cheating process.

I suspected that being done by some pokemon folks years ago, its pretty common in yugioh to. ever heard of Roy St Clair?
 
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